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Bigger screen, can play videos from the iTunes "video" store, and you can convert stuff via Quicktime 7 Pro.
No 80 gig iPod makes Drinky Milk a sad panda, but I guess this is cool. I'm more excited about the new iMacs with the iSight built in!
What do you guys think?
I think I'm sick of a new iPOD being released every other week.
I have a PDA that can play video. I don't use video playback on it. If I got this, it would be the same thing.
Better battery life is always a good thing though.
Unbelievable. I bought a 15 GB iPod a couple years ago for $400. Now you can get a 60gb iPod for the same price AND it holds pictures and plays video in color.
Fuck Apple and their stupid bullshit. I hate it. I couldn't be more pissed off about this...
Now excuse me while I count the change in my couch cushion, Im-a gonna get me one-a deez!
iPods have had color screens and huge hard drives for years, so it's kind of a no-brainer to include video support.
The aspect ratio, resolution, and size of the screen aren't particularly impressive.
The videos you can buy from the iTMS are probably in a higher resolution, though, since they're intended for use on desktop machines as well as iPods.
As far as the new iMacs go, the specs look nice, but I hate the fact that they have 512MB of non-upgradable RAM on the motherboard, which severely limits memory expansion. (2.5GB versus 4GB)
The built in camera is nice, I guess, although I still don't see the point of webcams, aside from exposing your junk to strangers.
Stupid technology getting better while prices remain the same. Only Apple does this and they suck for it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Critical Overdrive
(I know you were being facetious, but some people actually think releasing better models all the time is a valid complaint about Apple)
its kind of cool you can download lost eps,,
to bad their only at 320x240 res..
Meh, I suppose it's cool for some people. Honestly though, if I wanted to play videos on the go I'd use my PSP or some more "open-source" portable media player.
Fucking Sold. Those bastards just pwned my bank account.
http://www.apple.com/itunes/Quote:
Originally Posted by maruchan
Look at the top. See how it says "buy it" and then "watch it" on an iMac? Yeah, the iPod scales them down.
The new iPod is ass.
It's better than the previous model, so I take it you didn't like that one either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpol
Anyway, it's not being marketted as 'video iPod.'
It's just another upgrade that happens to include video support.
Apparently, the videos from iTMS are 480x272.
It's thinner than the previous model, has a higher capacity for the same price, better battery life, a bigger screen, and supports video playback.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpol
How, exactly, is it ass? The video playback might very well be ass, but the thing is still better than previous models due to the other tweaks.
for us faggotchan anime lovers this is a godsend, especially for anime club nights and stuff. Have a 264.h video for our own use, and save as a file the full sized anime stuff we got from box or suki.
The true benifit from this will be the widespread adoption of 264.h compression which means any computer that has quicktime 7 can be hooked up to my ipod and play my anime.
Now I can jackoff to porn on the subway. MASTURBATORY POWERS IN MY HANDS!!
also: LOL @ iTunes 6.0 only 5 weeks after 5.0
The new iMac looks neat though. It's got a remote control (!!!)
And it's infrared, unfortunately. Why they wouldn't use bluetooth is beyond me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revoltor
Probably so you couldn't use it on any other mac. It's bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
I wish they would stop releasing different ipods so I could make up my mind which one to buy.
It's not like they're giving you more choices, they're just upgrading one of the three iPod product lines.
If you want video and a shitload of storage, get an iPod.
If you want something smaller and don't care about video, get an iPod nano.
If you're poor, get an iPod shuffle.
I'm probably biased but the mini was awesome and can probably be gotten pretty cheap now.
Word has it that an announcement concerning the sale of the remotes and Front Row seperately is coming when they have more on hand. Don't know if there's any truth to that, but I'd believe it. I find it unlikely that they'd make this an iMac-only deal if there's sales to be had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revoltor
Anyway, it's a bit off-topic, but since mp3 player threads always degenerate into fighting, I figured I might speed it along by seeing what iPod haters have to say about this Creative Zen Sleek review:
http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archi...eek-review.php
It sounds like everything everybody bitches about the iPod doing or not doing is here, in terms of not being able to remove music from it once it's on, requiring proprietary software, and so forth, it sounds worse. Plus it's Windows XP only.
I used to nudge people in the direction of Zen Xtra when they said they wanted an mp3 player that was cheaper than an iPod and still decent to use, but I don't think I could recommend one of these to somebody.
This is kind of annoying, considering I really wanted a larger capacity iPod when I bought mine a few months ago, but couldn't afford it. I had also been waiting for a long time for them to finally release something substantially new.
But I'm not that dissapointed, because this isn't nearly as impressive as I was expecting. I have no clue why they went with 4:3 aspect ratio, and in turn, forced a much smaller screen and outdated format. I was expecting something very similar to the fake that has been making the rounds on the net. I'll stick with my PSP when it comes to video.
Have you seen the comercial?Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
I've only seen what's on their website.
You can use it on other computers, but you need to buy the Universal Dock, which is silly since not everyone who want Front Row has an iPod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grave
IBTN- it's really fucking annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giga Power
Still, a 30GB iPod Video for $299 is better than a 20GB iPod Photo for $299. Plus, it's even smaller to boot, with better battery life. Methinks it's time I got myself an IPod.
Plus it comes in black now! Teh hottness.
http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/...ipod_black.jpg
Of course, in 12 days the iPod Video Nano will come out with a 100GB model, weighing 1/2 an ounce and sporting telepathic support so you can control it with your mind instead of the click wheel and I'll be fucked.
Still no replacable battery. No sale.
I thought you can replace the battery. Is this not true?
I'll wait for the iPod iPod, so I can have an all-in-one device to store my iPods in.
Well, you can, but that voids the warranty since you have to pry the iPod open to replace it. I want the replacable battery to be an intended feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
The chances of you needing to replace your battery while your warrenty is still in effect are almost zero.
It's right on the front page.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
I'm sold...
I've waited a long time for this to come out.
Now, I'll finally buy an iPod.
Its a good thing Best Buy lost my ipod that I took in for service.
Perhaps I'll be able to get one of these instead.
Ok, everything I read and saw on the videos was wrong: they are 320x240. I downloaded an episode of Lost last night because I'm behind on the show. You CAN watch it in full screen, but then you get these awful pixel tears and obviously the quality goes way down. I don't see why Apple doesn't just use a larger size when downloading that gets scaled down on the iPod, or at least gives you the option for the 320x240 size and a larger, more computer friendly size (especially since it would go so well with Front Row).
Also, the video player sucks in full screen. If you try to fast forward or rewind, the video stops and goes away so you have to open it again (it starts where you pressed forward/back). Also, there is no clock to see how long you've been watching it. You have to pause it, which also closes the full screen window, and look at the main iTunes window. These aren't huge problems, but they're inconvenient. The video screen also looks a lot like WMP for Macs, which is ugly. Hopefully Apple will make a sleeker video player inside iTunes soon.
Seriously, where have you been all my iLife? I'm going to buy two of them. One I'll use, and the other I'll keep in a hermetically sealed display case right next to my autographed picture of Mr. Jobs. What will they think of next? Maybe one with a video recorder, or one that lets you download your programs from your Tivo? Apple, you're the GREATEST!!!!!
Try this instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpol
What does this offer that the Lyra hasn't for years?
I think apple are going to pull this one off quite well. I foresee the users to be of the female sex.
How open is this. if I have to get the video through Itunes then fuck it.
However if it can take my fansubs and other ...mysteriously obtained videos I get off the net then fuck yeah I'm getting it.
I just realized this is the first time since I can remember that a video game or console is not #1 on my christmas wish list.
I doubt that would work, or else every owner of an ipod would be trying to break theirs right now.Quote:
Originally posted by Josh
Its a good thing Best Buy lost my ipod that I took in for service.
Perhaps I'll be able to get one of these instead.
This is pretty neat but you know that in like two weeks time a better version of the Nano will be released, and then a month later a new ipod will be released. Then you'll all be just as pissed as those who now own a 4th gen ipod are now.
I bought my shit a thousand years ago, returned it for repairs under my best buy extended warranty and they lost it. They have to give me something, and I'd be willing to bet its not going to be another 2nd gen 40 gig ipod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burky
I own a 4th gen and I'm totally happy with it. The newness of my electronics and perceived length of my penis have no corrolation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burky
What about girth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
Length isn't everything.
An apple logo. And that all the seems to matter with portable media devices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
I thought about it, and the 60 gig is going to be my first mac purchase in over a year. Even though it isn't as big as I would like... still... 60 gigs will more than suffice. That, and I really think iTunes Video is going to take off after a few months. They just so happened to scoop up two of the hottest series on Television, and for someone like me who forgets EVERY time when to get off his computer (and ass) to watch his favorite show, this could be a God send. If they can get more big name companies like NBC, Nickelodeon and MTV in on this, they could start a whole new market all together.
Honestly, I've always hated having to track down torrents. If they want me to pay $2.00 for one or two episodes I've missed... why the hell not.
There is no tracking down to do. You go to www.iso-hunt.com and type in "lost" or whatever. Then you get good quality HD rips, and its free as shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drinky Milk
If it's an error on their part, you should be in with a good chance if you milk the situation. Hope it goes well for you there.Quote:
Originally posted by Josh
I bought my shit a thousand years ago, returned it for repairs under my best buy extended warranty and they lost it. They have to give me something, and I'd be willing to bet its not going to be another 2nd gen 40 gig ipod.
iso-hunt.com = ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
take out the dash.
Torrentspy is better.
Nope. I'd rather just pay money for a limited selection and lower quality thank you very much...... and I can do this all with iTunes where there's no taking out the dash! I wonder if there's any sort of DRM on the videos? There must be.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Satsuki
What are the download rates when you download from iTunes?
If you can get a good speed on it, I'd pay $1.99 just to get it quicker.
Seriously can anyone tell me ONE reason why I would want this instead of an RCA Lyra AV, which can actually record video and has a big screen and can convert whatever with free software, and play shit in full screen without looking awful? Is everyone that stupid and this is really that bad of a product, or is there something I'm missing?
Is it really that big of a deal to you that people want iPod over something made by the worst electronics company ever? I mean, say what you want about Apple, but RCA has been awful for years. I guess if someone was buying an mp3 player for video only, than a Lyra might be fine. As it is, my guess is that people just want a sexy, reliable, sleek mp3 player with great audio quality, so iPod is perfect. The video thing is nice, but I think it's just an extra for most people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Yeah, I have it in my firefox search bar so I never type it in. Whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drinky Milk
http://www.torrentspy.com
http://www.isohunt.com
Between those two you'll find most all of the shit you need.
The lyra works just fine for MP3s, pictures, etc. And the Lyra is a fine product, regardless of who makes it (and RCA is not a bad company even if they've lost market share in recent years.) It's not even close in terms of functionality. The ipod video plays video like a piece of shit, and the screen is tiny as hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
Alright, I watched the keynote finally, and I'm stoked. The new iPod is sexy, and I think the new iMac's are way hot. For how easy it *seems* to just upload some videos and get to rockin', I think the new iPod can be just as cool to watch videos on the go as your PSP. I hope there isn't a lot of artifacting, but it didn't seem too bad in the keynote. Also, I'm not positive the keynote was even streamed in H.264 anyways. The resolution seemed a little lower than the nano presentation...
Regardless, I really want my iPod now!
Every single RCA product I've ever bought has broken down in some form or fashion after exactly one year. Doesn't matter how it's treated, it'll break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Yeah, RCA is crap.
It isn't even a real company anymore, it's only a division of crappy Thomson, just like the GE consumer electronics brand.
I bought an RCA DVD player once, and it crapped out the same day.
Also, they use the exact same iR codes for their DVD players and their TVs, so when you press 'menu' on the DVD remote (even in DVD mode), your TV's menu will pop up too, if it's an RCA. Also, there are no buttons on their remotes that let you skip to the next chapter. Innovative!
Christ... I leave the world of the internet for a few days, and Apple makes some crazy new announcements.
New iMac
I've only had mine since May, and now I want to trade it in for one of the new ones. Thinner is good, but I'd really love to have that built-in video camera. Perfect video phone? *heh* I've really come to love the iMac, and I think this is a great upgrade. Totally out of the blue, though... when Steve said, "We've got a new iMac," I was pretty shocked.
Opinion: Positive
Front Row
Apple's first shot in the Media Center war... and it doesn't make a lot of sense. Steve was talking about how this is meant to watch your stuff on TV, but there are a number of problems with that. First, no really good solution for getting your audio and video feed from the iMac to the TV was presented. I keep expecting to hear him announce a new Airport Express that could wirelessly transmit both video and audio, but no go. Second, the new remote is IR, not Bluetooth. Meaning that you either have to (a) point the remote at the iMac, or (B) point the remote at an IR-compatible iPod dock. Having my iMac sitting next to my TV would be ridiculous, and if it isn't, what am I going to plug the iPod dock in to so that it can send the signals to the machine?
I think the natural evolution of Front Row, and the first point where it will be actually useful, is rather obvious: Mac Mini. Early next year, we get an Intel-powered new Mac Mini with IR support and Front Row coming standard. Toss in a bit better video out support, and bam, you've got Apple's Media Center PC.
Opinion: Positive - Neutral
iTunes 6
Uhm... okay. WTF happened here? It looks absolutely silly to release iTunes 5, and then a month later release iTunes 6. This shouldn't have been called iTunes 6 - no where near enough stuff was changed from iTunes 5.
Videos now have their own section, which is nice, and looks pretty good, but because of that I think movies shouldn't appear in the main library. Yes, I know you have the Search Bar that can be used, but still, though I guess that is a decent enough solution. Video support still feels horribly tacked on and no where near thought out.
* The Videos section gives NO support for the shuffle and repeat functions. Why in the world not?
* There's no elegant way to preview videos if you have them set to play fullscreen by default. Why not have like a little preview information area like in the iTunes Music Store? Sure, you could then just have videos not play in fullscreen by default, and use the fullscreen button to go fullscreen. Why isn't that a great solution? Let's say you want to play those music videos you've purchased, and you want to have them shuffling or repeating (or both) in fullscreen. iTunes won't play video seamlessly in fullscreen from one clip to the next unless they are set to play in fullscreen by default. If you use that "go to fullscreen" button, it should stay in fullscreen mode until you escape out of it. Also, STILL no QuickTime fullscreen controls when playing video fullscreen in iTunes. Pathetic, especially now that Apple is actually selling videos to be played via iTunes.
* Video Kind can only be set to Movie or Music Video. I don't care if I shouldn't have TV Shows other than the ones I've purchased from Apple, I want the option to set video as that.
Opinion: Neutral - Negative
New iPod
Steve Jobs said before that there was no need for a video-playing iPod, because the content wasn't there. Well... to be honest, the content still mostly isn't there. By most of my opinions on this are covered down where I talk about the video content now on the iTMS.
To me, the far more interesting part of the video iPod is the ability to play video out to a TV from it. Want to take a video, movie, TV show, whatever over to a friend's house to watch? Just take your iPod. If the iPod had more processing power to it, IT could be Apple's new Media Center. Purchase video via iTMS, dock iPod into your TV, enjoy.
Unfortunately, I've always said that an official Apple video solution is going to be crippled from the start, because they have less reason to support a wide array of codecs, and that is indeed the case here. iPod support is H.264 and regular MPEG4 only. While I'm a huge H.264 supporter, that does nothing for people like me who have tons of MPEG1, MPEG2, DivX, Xvid, and other random codec content. I don't even think there is support for non-MPEG4 versions of Apple's own QuickTime container, which is sad. Music-wise, the iPod covers most of the music formats that matter, so there isn't an issue there. Video-wise, it is woefully under-powered.
I think, if you look at this as a video player, it is a disappointment. However, if you look at it as a regular iPod, with a slight bump in features, then it is a pretty nice unit. Nice new body, better screen, and longer battery life. Apple is smart in not pushing it as a video iPod, but instead, saying, "Hey, we've got a new iPod, and it also happens to play some videos."
There are two things I consider to be pretty big negatives, however. First, no FireWire support - WTF Apple? I can accept that with the Nano, but not this. Second, no extra headphone port for things like the remote, accessories, and whatnot. Isn't this a step down, not a step up?
Opinion: Neutral
Purchasing Video
There was SO much potential in this, and I was terribly excited by the idea when I heard what Wednesday's announcements had been. And yet, in typicaly Apple fashion, they have something that could be so great, except it is neutered by one or two stupid decisions.
The downfall of their video sales are the result of their most popular product: the iPod. Because of the need to make the videos support the iPod, they have killed a lot of the potential that was there for this service. See, with music, compromises didn't have to be made for the iPod. Sure, we'd all love to see them sell their music at a higher bitrate, but that isn't the iPod's fault, and that doesn't kill a lot of the potential of the music sales.
But 320 x240 video? 320x240 hasn't been an acceptable video resolution in at least two years. My iMac has a 1440 x 900 screen - you want me to play a 320x240 piece of video fullscreen on that? It isn't just about computers, though: this is going to be a big year for people switching over to HDTV. Apple could have started laying the groundwork for being a true video content provider, which could open up a huge new market for them. Instead of going after the computer + HDTV + SDTV + iPod market, they've chosen to simply go after the iPod + SDTV market.
Let me by fair here - they were sort of stuck in what to do. There's no way that the iPod could run HD content at this point. Selling two copies of the same content together could be awkward. Having iTunes convert a higher resolution file down for the iPod would take to much time to make it really convenient.
I think Apple had to make a decision in which directly to go, and I personally think they picked the wrong one. Steve Jobs, again, stood up there and said that it was nearly pointless to watch video on such a small screen, and video isn't like music where you can be doing anything while enjoying it. So why would you then base all of your video sales around that specific area? The iPod isn't totally ready to handle video the way it needs to be handled yet, and I think Apple is jumping the gun.
I also think that they are doing a disservice to TV fans by this movie. With the iTunes Music Store, the music quality isn't what I'd like it to be, but for many, it was good enough that it was a legit answer to music downloads and piracy. This isn't. I can get a 320x240 non-widescreen version of this week's Lost, or, I can do what I'm doing right now, and torrent a 600x330 widescreen HD rip for free. In that case, I'm losing far too much by going the "honest" route. However, now companies are going to see this as yet another method for making money, more TV shows are going to show up on there, and people who torrent copies are going to be cracked down on harder. As well, if selling TV shows over the iTMS takes off, then companies will assume that we're perfectly happy with such low quality versions of the shows, and won't have a compelling reason to offer us better.
There are some bright spots to this, however. We may have the chance to purchase TV shows that would otherwise not be available. People like me with an account on a foreign version of the iTMS can purchase video content from other countries, when and if it becomes available. (However, there is currently NO Japanese music video content on the J-iTMS, and for a country that produces more music videos that the US does, that is beyond pathetic.) It is also possible that, like DVD, the iTMS could be used to help get TV shows out there that wouldn't have a chance otherwise.
Opinion: Negative
RCA products have ranked at the bottom of just about every product durability and repair rate test/survey that Consumer Reports has done for the last 10 years.
Creative's player does not require XP (98 or higher), you can upload off of it, it can do everything the older Creative players can and more (it just doesn't have a user replaceable battery, which is a dealbreaker for me. I'll stick to my Zen Touch 40gb).
Because it's RCA, and a piece of electronics is more than just its feature list. There are other DPA manufacturers I'd be willing to trust, but RCA isn't one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
My comp just has regular old USB ports... am I gonna have to buy a USB2 card if I get this thing?
You can still sync the songs on USB 1.1, it'll just be slower. Basically a gig every 20 minutes.
Looks like I'll have to buy my gf a usb 2.0 card.
At least they're only ~$10 at this point.
I'm probably way behind and everything, but something I found a couple weeks ago that might help those of you with one of these: Videora for iPod. It automatically encodes whatever video file you toss into it into iPod format, with different settings for audio and video quality as well as cropping and ratio formats. I used it to toss Advent Children onto the iPod at my job and it did a beautiful job, much easier then trying to set up Tmpgenc or whatever.
Awesome, I'll give that to my gf, well maybe I'll do the conversion on my comp since she has a fucking dino.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
A friend of mine is planning to build a Linux web server that will not only act as a DVR, but will also encode the recordings into the iPod Video format and syndicate those recordings into an iTunes format so that his girlfriend can connect to iTunes and download the shows she recorded on the DVR onto her iPod Video. I was hoping the Videora program would help my friend, but I see it's a Windows-only application. Oh well.
I'll let you guys know if he's successful in his attempt.
I'm not sure if this will help, but I came across Handbrake during my initial search for an encoder, which is a DVD->mpeg4 ripper/encoder that works on Mac and Linux (but not Windows, so I haven't tried it yet). I have no clue about DVR compression though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowdisease
This set of posts might help your friend if he does have a use for Handbrake.