I have never felt worse about being a light skinned brother.
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I have never felt worse about being a light skinned brother.
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Okay, I'm a little confused here.
Don't whites of non-hispanic descent comprise 80% of this country's population?
So what the hell are they trying to save white people from?
lol
is that real.. that looks to fake...
If thats real...then :lol: !
One of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.
Someone tell white people to stay out of the '70s.
I didn't think music could get lamer than racist black metal.
I was wrong.
what are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by kuro
Sorry, I meant '80s. My 9-key is a little off tonight.
No more white people pls.
I've heard a few of these songs. They are all pretty laughably bad. One band (Chaos 88) was actually able to compose some real music, I was suprised.
Dude, you are whitest mother fucker I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
I love the master fader automation of the white power.
This is the funniest shit evar.
Don't judge a book by its cover.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
You're sounding like Michael Moore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
This can't be real...I mean, there can't still be guys out there that look like that. Can there?Quote:
that shit isn't metal
Yes, and the majority of them live in Baltimore.Quote:
Originally Posted by DolemiteThis can't be real...I mean, there can't still be guys out there that look like [i
Scary.
We're talking about skin color, so that is kind of the point. Don't feed me some BS about how being "black" is a state of mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
lol, good old josh.
HAHA...that can't be real...
haha it totally can.
Dude, it is so real, it isn't even funny.
These guys possess some truly 1337 Windows Movie Maker skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Excessive use of impassioned, vocal recording clips + masterful, frame fade-out technique = victory.
o rly?Quote:
Originally Posted by station82o
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=43326
I laughed many times, especially at the opening Thomas Jefferson quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
I'm sure David Duke rocks out listening to this drivel.
It goes something like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
Nearly all traditionally "white" Nations around the world are currently and have been for decades inundated by massive non-white immigration, both legal and illegal as a policy.
This benefits the corporations and corrupt politicians (cheap labor, more voters) but has the unfortunate long-term effect of balkanizing said countries, and ultimately breaking down their cultural identities, which of course the globalists love. You'll notice the Federally mandated pursuit of "diversity" and the like permiate ONLY white countries. India isn't made to feel bad because it's Indian, no one chastizes Japan for not allowing permanent citizen status to non-Japanese, etc.
Whites as a group are essentially no longer allowed to even discuss these issues, to organize for their own interests, nor do they have the right to self-determination. The simple fact is that right here in America, illegal aliens (openly committing a Federal Felony offense) can have rallies extolling Mexican pride, wave Mexican flags and even claim California BELONGS to Mexico ("Go back to Europe!") and the media and law enforcement turns the other way. It's just harmless "pride" of course. A rally organized that IN ANY WAY concerns whites will be a media frenzy, filled with talk about "white supremacy", hate and whatnot. And while whites are still the majority in some countries (though by far a minority globaly) birth rates are rapidly dropping. If the trend continues, whites face possible extinction as early as a few hundred years from now.
Status Quo says if you're white and even a bit concerned about this, you're clearly an evil XXXXX (insert - racist, Nazi, hater, etc. etc. etc.) and will get immediately lumped in with extremist idiots. Also, if you are white and even a bit proud of being white, or actually "like" being white - you OBVIOUSLY hate everyone else who isn't and want to brutaly kill them, their offspring and any family pets. But only after putting on an SS uniform and torturing them for good measure. Shame on YOU!
This recent editorial by a student at the University of Oklahoma is a sign that things may be changing a bit....
Anyway concerning the video (I watched a bit of it) it's actually better than alot of "white power" music out there (O+A regular listeners will know), and suprisingly lacks the typical Nazi imagery they seem to be so hung up on.
The sad thing is if they really want to get middle America's attention they need an Eminem type rapper flowing about his pride, yo!
And while we're on the topic, for some real racial hate try these tasty MP3's:
Kill Whitey
Amerikkka's Most Hated
I'm a Warrior
LOL.
This is a true statement. If you're white and male you aren't allowed to be proud of who you are. It's the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Anyway, this video confused me. LOL @ that guys hair.
Yup. BET is fine. But WET wouldn't be.
the real enemy, the hmong, they want on our welfare and to have sex with our daughters. its totaly true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
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Originally Posted by sphere79
OMG SHPERE79 is a racist, maybe his that one guy remember who use to post in that racist website..
These have to be 3 of the worst rap songs I've ever heard. Special accolades for AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, for being the least flowing, non rhyming piece of shit rapper the world has yet to see. Ukranian pride nugga!Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
BTW, where do you find this drivel?
i bet he post ons racist website, and then trolls, on other forums..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mykozo
lol
I can't take a people who speak "Hmoob" seriously. I just can't. It makes me giggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by frostwolf ex
is that what their language is called? i know next to nothing about them, just figured they were obscure enough to make the post silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grave
Yes we fet it. White people aren't treated well. Hell they are easily the most hated people in the world.
That said this is still crap. Have we learned nothing from Gandhi,MLK, hell Even Jesus was against carp like this, and he got killed by his own people!
Acting racist to fight racism is retarded.
yes.. such "carp"
but jokes aside, wtf was going on with the hair?
I never said they were good!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mykozo
I honestly don't remember, I've had them floating around for a few years now. It was probably either some "OMG rap is evil" site or a site supporting Khalid Muhammed, guess that makes me either a right-wing nut or a Jew-hating black Muslim for maybe having visited those sites. You decide. They're really just a few tasty morsels gathered from yet another late night of pointless internet plundering. And yeah, it's garbage. Reminds me of that "Asian Pride" rap song I heard years ago that made me laugh, because the Asian (who was proud of his people, you dumb whitey!) was co-opting black culture and sampling a white artist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mykozo
For the record, no I don't post on a "racist" website, unless you count TNL.:) I post here and a few other places when I can and apparently will never learn not to waste my time arguing on the internet. And instead of hiding behind a label why not offer a counterpoint if you disagree? Or is that too difficult?Quote:
Originally Posted by maruchan
Why don't you like iPods? They're white by default. :)
Sounds like a channel I'd have to block with parental control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
There are no traditionally 'white' nations. To make that sort of claim you would have to somehow prove commonality between Caucasoids. Since biologically this is impossible (race itself is not a genetic distinction, but a social one) and sociologically equally difficult (Caucasians split themselves between Mediterranean, Nordic, Anglo-Saxon, etc.) the concept that 'white' Europe is being invaded by 'non-white' is really more conspiracy than reality. In fact, it's more of a nativist backlash than a true confrontation of races.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
This isn't a racial argument it's a classist one. What you're saying is not that these 'non-whites' are resented because they aren't white, but because they are poor and form what Marx called the 'reserve army' of unemployed that snatch up low-paying jobs. The idea of this breaking down cultural identity is not necessarily a racial argument either.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Take, for example, the 1800s influx of Germans, Irish, Italians, and Poles to the United States. These are all 'whites' in that they are of European descent, yet when they arrived the 'native' Americans of European descent were very vocal in saying these immigrants were snatching up jobs and balkanizing urban areas by refusing to integrate into the larger culture.
Those have more to do with culture than race. The Indians and Japanese do not have necessarily racial pride as much as nationalistic pride. For example, Japanese don't view other Asians as their kinsman even though racially they are of the same 'distinction'. They are non-Japanese because they were not born in Japan, this is NOT a racial distinction.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Because Caucasians, as a cultural group, are in the majority and control the power systems. Their interests are clearly represented in government, religion, and economics worldwide. Once again, you're obfuscating a classist problem with a racial one. Ask Bill Gates or George W. Bush if they feel that America takes there interests into account, or if it has in any way taken away their 'right to self-determination'.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Certainly there is a large number of whites who feel disenfranchised, but is that really because of a racial divide or an economic one?
I've yet to see an Italian or Irish pride parade painted as being supremacist motivated, even though they are essentially celebrating their racial and cultural identity.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Another component of this is that interracial marriages are on the rise worldwide. The idea that 'whites' will be extinct is ridiculous, because as I said being caucasian is not a genetic trait. European culture, which is what is really the issue here, is also not going anywhere. Look at the world today; which culture determines the fashions, politics, etc.?Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
This is a status quo that IS white (European Anglo-Saxon), but is also wealthy and wants stability. That is why they are against the idea of solidarity along 'racial' lines among the impoverished Caucasian community, who makes up the bulk of America's poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
This is a racial stereotype like any other. Welcome to the club, every 'racial' group has to deal with these.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Why do you have to be proud of your skin color? What has it ever done for you? Shouldn't you instead be proud of your accomplishments as a person? Or those of your family and their ancestors? Not because they were white, but because they were human beings who accomplished something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
Regarding BET versus WET (hurrr), there just isn't really much of a point for the latter. Most shows on TV these days are absolutely lily-white.
And western culture (read: white culture) has found its way into just about every developed country in the world in one way or another. Yes, rap is popular in America, but that's a drop in the bucket comparitively. When black people come together and claim collective black pride, though I think it's a relatively useless concept these days, it's because there was, at one point, a serious reason to. When white people do it, I just can't help but think "what is your purpose here? Our culture is present in just about the entire developed world in some form and we control some of the most powerful countries on earth."
Am I proud to be white? Not particularly. I'm not ashamed of it, but that's not the same thing as pride. I'm indifferent to it. Maybe if there was a serious threat I'd change my tune, but when people claim that the popularity of rap or Asian cinema is a sign that "white culture" is going down the tubes, it seems to me that it's a fear of other cultures rather than a genuine concern for ours. The popularity of something non-white is not a sign that "white culture" is going the way of the dinosaur.
PS: plenty of people give Japan shit for being xenophobic.
<3 gozen forever.
Ha! Thanks for the laugh!Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
For the record, an iPod would be fine if it docked to the computer like pretty much EVERY other player does. I give them props for the HD upgrade to 30 at the same price point. But I think anyone serious about portable video would be better off with the one of the (now supposedly out) PocketDish units. I also think that Sony and a handfull of other large companies are going to take on the iPod and iTunes hardcore, time will tell. And what happens when the labels decide iTunes goes up to $1.50 or $2.00 per song like they want?
As for the color, that black iPod looks nicer. I actually just bought an elcheapo Ultra brand 512MB flash-based MP3 player (with an SD slot) to compliment my Gmini400 and it looks slick in black! Hey - it has a mic for dictation or notes, can record off the FM tuner and has a rechargable (through USB) NiMH AAA battery. Plus, in other "useless-feature-until-the-iPod-does-it" news - it can hold your pop mail locally. Weird, I know - you pop the thing into a Windows box USB port and run this tiny app (no installing needed) that lets you send and recieve your email on any machine without leaving anything behind. And it's warrantied for three years, it'd be a better buy if it were $99 instead of $119 though......
BACK TO THE TOPIC.............
Nobody responded to my question before about the Creative Zen Sleek, so I'll pose it again. What do you think of it? It seems to have every "problem" you find in the iPod and more, and yet nobody seems to be getting angry about it. But again, that's probably because nobody really notices it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
By the way, FM radio on an mp3 player is still useless. I can't fathom anyone who likes music listening to FM.
Anyway, uh, I think a lot of the problem is people of the mindset that their skin color is an unbreakable bond that makes them eternal allies and brothers in the oncoming war or whatever the fuck these jackholes in the video are singing about.
I don't know. This topic irritates me.
I can't believe they listed everyone who posts on their shitty forum. LOL for reals.
In other news, this is the greatest thing I've ever seen.
I've heard of National Socialist Black Metal and non-racist Black Metal made by racists (Varg Vikerness with Burzum, Hellhammer with Mayhem and Fenriz with Darkthrone to name a few) but the day I hear racist Power Metal...wow.
I didn't listen to it so I'll just have to take Stations word for it that it's not Metal because he is the master of such things.
Though while you're all complaining about racist music I can bet at least a few of you listen to Slayer.
I think that comment went over my head. Explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
Listen to one of Slayer's most popular songs "Angel of Death". It's full of Nazi imagery, it's about a dude (forget his real name) who did all kinds of fucked up experiments on people in the Death Camps who was nicknamed "Angel of Death".
The funny thing is that Slayer's vocalist isn't even White and he says all this shit about the Aryan race and all.
I've heard many, many mixed things about Fenriz actually being racist. The only thing that's clear about him is that he takes his music pretty seriously, but thinks the fanbase is ridiculous and has a sense of humor about it (which probably has more to do with Darkthrone's slide in popularity over the years than any actual musical shifts). It's also unclear how much of what he actually says is serious and how much of it is mocking. He went from portraying Darkthrone as a VERY SERIOUS true Satan worshipping black metal and after a few years passed he said "yeah, we're just a bunch of idiots who get drunk and record an album once in a while." Hellhammer and Varg are definitely racist though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
The song was done for shock value rather than any real racist intent. I've never seen anything that says otherwise, and for bands with an image like Slayer's war atrocities are popular themes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
Wasn't there a nazi nick named "Angel of Death" who was famous for it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele
There you go, the entire backing behind a slayer song I've never heard and probably wouldn't enjoy.
That would be Dr. Josef Mengele.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief~Silver
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Originally Posted by sethsez
Fenriz has said some racist stuff, but like you said, he might not be serious. He wanted an anti-Jewish comment originally in the Transylvania Hunger booklet but it was taken out due to no promotion from labels. The album was still released with the words "True Aryan Black Metal" on the back of it though. On their new album he looked like a Cuban Dictator though so maybe he's shifted in his image a bit.
As for Slayer, that's all well and true but the fact of the matter is that it's still there and the band identified with a lot of Nazi imagery in the mid-80's. I never thought they were racist, just a bunch of Heavy Metal idiots.
I don't see how using the attrocities committed by human kind to fuel music as stupid.
Beat you to it, bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief~Silver
I call bullshit. I added the third line even before you posted it :P
The timestamps both say 12:02 AM, so I guess we posted AT THE EXACT SAME TIME! OMG BRAINLINK!Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief~Silver
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Originally Posted by Thief~Silver
Auschwitz, the meaning of pain
The why that I want you to die
Slow death, immense decay
Showers that cleanse you of your life
Forced in
Like cattle
You run
Stripped of
Your life's worth
Human mice, for the Angel of Death
Four hundred thousand more to die
Angel of Death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Sadistic, surgeon of demise
Sadist of the noblest blood
Destroying, without mercy
To benefit the Aryan race
Surgery, with no anesthesia
Fell the knife pierce you intensely
Inferior, no use to mankind
Strapped down screaming out to die
Angel of Death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Infamous butcher,
Angel of Death
Pumped with fluid, inside your brain
Pressure in your skull begins pushing through your eyes
Burning flesh, drips away
Test of heat burns your skin, your mind starts to boil
Frigid cold, cracks your limbs
How long can you last
In this frozen water burial?
Sewn together, joining heads
Just a matter of time
'Til you rip yourselves apart
Millions laid out in their
Crowded tombs
Sickening ways to achieve
The holocaust
Seas of blood, bury life
Smell your death as it burns
Deep inside of you
Abacinate, eyes that bleed
Praying for the end of
Your wide awake nightmare
Wings of pain, reach out for you
His face of death staring down,
Your blood running cold
Injecting cells, dying eyes
Feeding on the screams of
The mutants he's creating
Pathetic harmless victims
Left to die
Rancid Angel of Death
Flying free
[LEADS: HANNEMAN, KING, HANNEMAN, KING, HANNEMAN]
Angel of Death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Infamous butcher,
Angel of Death
Angel of Death
I didn't say it was stupid, was just pointing the fact out.
Even Joy Division invoked Nazi imagery at times. If your band is based around darkness, death, pain and shit like that, Nazi imagery will probably come up at one point or another. The difference between Slayer and, say, Graveland is whether the imagery is portrayed as an atrocity ("look at how evil men are") or something to be celebrated.
And I know about the racist stuff in Transylvanian Hunger. I've just given up on actually trying to figure Fenriz out. Like Varg, he constantly switches his views on everything, but unlike Varg he knows exactly what he's doing and seems to find it hilarious. He's the class clown of black metal. Still could be racist, of course, but I don't think it'll ever be totally clear.
I never took Angel of Death to be glorifying the holocaust in any way shape or form.
dude, i could careless if these shitholes have an entry on some website, that doesn't give them the right to call themselves metal, they're certainly not metal to me. Fuck these racist idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by wEEman33
You can't say something isn't a part of your favorite genre just because they say something you don't like, or because they suck. Burzum is metal and it's a hell of a lot more racist than this.
I like how who ever added that to the site says the music is about Pride and National Socialism.Quote:
Originally Posted by wEEman33
I know for a fact that you are wrong about the japanese feeling that way. I have experienced first hand Japanese people looking down on other asians that are born in japan of nonjapense parents. It goes well beyond nationalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I don't really think it is a matter of if he should be proud of his skin color, but a desire to to have the ability to act like he is proud, in much the same way that any nonwhite person can, with out getting shit for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I wouldn't get mad about it. Shit like this is going to happen when a form of music isn't bound by anything. Some people do good with it like the band Orphand land, who combines cultural music of israel(sp?) with metal and has lyrical themes of three of the worlds most conflicting religions, and others do stupid shit, like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by station82o
No I can say whatever I want, shit like this and crappy Burzum (who honestly gives a damn about Varg Vikernes or national socialist retardation?) is one of the reasons why metal gets a bad rap and is misunderstood. Dont give these schmucks any credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
Yeah i'm throwing shit around in rage. :confused: Where'd you think I was mad about it - I just dont think its worth paying any amount of attention to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironplant
Even if that was the case then it STILL isn't a racial issue, it's a cultural one. That was my point, that it wasn't about race, which it isn't. So, really, you've only help prove my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
This doesn't make any sense. Who is stopping him from embracing an ignorant and unnecessary pride in his skin pigment? The 'nonwhites'? They may come out against it because they have a stereotypical perception of it, but that is in no way a real deterrent. 'White Power' advocates are allowed to gather and march just as much as any other group. I've seen it myself, and I figured if anyone you would have too.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
The problem here is that 'nonwhites' gather to form solidarity against what they feel to be injustices perpertrated against them by the majority. Whites (as in people with pale skin pigment and of European ancestry) ARE the majority and thus their interests are represented as the norm. Why would they need to form solidarity when they are already the controlling factor of society?
Another reason 'nonwhites' gather is because they share a similiar culture and feel comfortable being surrounded by that culture. Whites don't have this problem, their culture is THE culture. Look around you, almost every facet of society in America is dominated by European culture. What do you need to form solidarity against? The tiny specks of diversity in the societal sea?
As I said before, almost all of the arguments made by these supremacist groups are really at their heart about class struggle more than race.
Seriously, until I saw this video I did not know that former WWF wrestler X-Pac supported Nationalist ideology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisco Bold
Viking/Power metal has frequently glorified figures and folklore from the early European heathen/pagan civilizations, but it is true that this extreme type of Nationalism goes several steps beyond a simple reverence for the Nordic ethnic/cultural heritage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
In this case, station is letting his personal beliefs interfere with his judgment of what is/isn’t metal. In truth, Battlecry is no less metal than similar, well-known bands like Manowar and Hammerfall. Just watch the video and see for yourself; it’s a masterpiece of unintentional hilarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohron
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Originally Posted by Gohron
I always thought that it was common knowledge amongst the metal community that Slayer’s vocal and visual imagery has always been nothing more than a non-serious shock shtick (there have been tons of interviews throughout Slayer’s twenty-year career that support that statement).
Random interview from Google: http://www.metal-rules.com/interviews/SlayerKings.htm
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Originally Posted by directly from the mouth of Kerry King
That link is from The Metal Archives, a.k.a. the Internet’s most well-known scholastic authority on metal-related information. Of the thousands of bands listed on the site, about 97 % are true metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by station
Believe it or not, lyrical content has no pertinence in determining whether or not a band is true metal.
I’m sorry that you feel this way, because you’re missing out on a lot of quality metal by placing more weight on a band’s weltanschauung than on the music’s actual merit. Burzum, Graveland, Judas Iscariot, Nokturnal Mortum, etc. have all made significant contributions to true metal regardless of racist paradigms and lyrical content.Quote:
Originally Posted by station
You’re mistaking lyrical themes for musical themes. Though (probably) intentionally vague, Battlecry’s lyrics subtly affirm their feelings of white pride and superiority (thus justifying the national socialism description—also, notice that this video is being hosted on nationalistpartyusa.org).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironplant
So yeah, this post ended up being a lot longer than I initially anticipated, but if it helps to clear up a few people’s overall perception of true metal, than I suppose all this typing is not in vain.
If you really want to get down to it, racism itself is cultural.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I've never seen a white power march or gathering in Mississippi. Maybe i've just been lucky so farQuote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I don't think for the people who care about such things, the issue is about power. I think for them, it is an issue of fairness and issue of acceptance. It is ok for minorities to be racist and mean, while "whites" are ostracized, beaten, or even killed for the same behavior. I think Opaque just wishes he could be an asshole and be delt with just as fairly as minorities are treated when they are assholes about race.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I don’t know, maybe it isn’t something you can understand if you have never been made to feel inferior or threatened with violence just for your skin color.
"Metal" is a genre of music, not a measure of quality, so saying "they're metal" isn't making any claim on their ability or relative worth. It is a sound, not an attitude or an image or anything like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by station82o
They're metal. They're bad metal, stupid metal, and racist metal, but they're metal. It's like saying "Mein Kampf" isn't a book because you dislike it. Well, of course it's a book, it's just a blatantly racist one.
That's what I've been saying IronPlant.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Ok g0zen.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
But there IS a genetic commonality between the Caucasoids. In todays Egalitarian-driven education system it may be a taboo subject but clear, distinctive genetic traits do exist. It is even possible now to tell from a sperm sample with high accuracy the genetic (read: racial) makeup of the donor.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Race isn't genetic? So blacks get sickle cell anemia or experience a higher occurance of diabetes than whites because of social construct? Or is it because evil racist whites sit in labs engineering plagues for poor innocent blacks?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Been to London lately? Maybe it isn't an "invasion" in the military sense but it's certainly a cultural invasion. Curry shops are even surpassing "fish and chips" as the standard "British" corner restaurant. At some point the extremist, radical illegal "activists" shouting "go back to Europe" at tax-paying, law-abiding American citizens (who include African, Asian and even Mexican-American supporters) is a moot point when "Europe" is less and less European by the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
What can the natives do when the ones who wish to keep the native language and culture intact cannot organize for fear of being labeled "racist" or worse fined and/or jailed for Owellian "hate speech" or "thought speech" laws? Ask Bridget Bardot who went on trial for simply writing a controversial book in which, among other things she resents the "Islamisation of France".Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
She states, “And now my country, France, my homeland, my land, is with the blessing of successive governments again invaded by a foreign, especially Moslem, over-population to which we pay allegiance. We have to submit against our will to this Moslem over-flow. From year to year, we see mosques flourish across France, while our church bells fall silent because of a lack of priests.”
The reality is, generations past in France fought against foreign invaders, and now her simply suggesting that maybe France should stay French in print IS A CRIME. And how ironic is it that in the 50's she was the one shocking conservative French people? This is the sort of thing that is already rising in Canada, and it will come to US as well if people don't grow a set of balls and stand up against it. While I'm not saying I support the people in the music video - it is things like this this that they are likely motivated by. Not some generationaly learned hate or fear, but what is happening now, right before their eyes.
And yet within only a few generations these different ethnic groups were succesfully integrated Americans. While it is true that America is a "Nation of Immigrants" historically it has been a Nation of primarily European immigrants, which is what gave the US it's "Western" culture. A perfect example would be my grandparents on my mother's side, both of whom were born in another country. Two generations later I speak (as well as my mother) perfect fluent English and other than a basic understanding of my heritage am an American without prefix. Comparing this to the current influx of Mexicans is like night and day. First of all, they are flooding here uncontrolled by the millions. And even when legally immigrating, they are allowed to hold dual citizenship and ultimately an alleigance and identity as "Mexicans" or at best, "Mexican-Americans". There are of course exceptions to every rule but I am talking overall ideologies. The reason they are allowed "dual-citizenship" (this means they can vote in Mexican elections as well) is because the uber-corrupt Mexican governments' second highest income is from money send back to Mexico from the US. At this point in history we are rapidly approaching the time where fully half of Mexicans will reside within US borders.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Imagine if things were reversed? What if good ol' US Gringos illegally crossed into Mexico (by the millions), and then demanded government payouts, education in English, celebrated US holidays, etc. Do you think Mexico would whole-heartedly embrace such wonderfull "diversity"? Could they be made to think that it somehow was helping their culture and society? Would they allow "rights groups" and organizations to form to push their cause? Would they be supported by huge corporations? Would the Mexican government condone this through tax-payer supported programs, and chastize anyone who disliked it as "racist"? I highly doubt it.
If this is true than how come a child born on a work visa in Japan is not then "Japanese"? You can argue it's cultural but because Japan has for the most part stayed Japanese then by its nature everyone born there IS of Japanese genes. And there's always the Ainu people who reside in Japan, but because of different genetic/racial background (Mongolian, and some say European) or not "Japanese" per se.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I could care less about either Gates or Bush, both of them subscribe to the corpolitical, pro multi-culturalist globalist agenda and care only for money and power. Bush panders to Hispanics and actually wants more illegals so he can have more voters after instantly declaring them citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I think the key word is "essentially". You're right, those are essentially celebrating European culture (along with "Renaissance Fairs") but they are open to everybody. All cultures will celebrate "Irish" pride by drinking alchohol and "Italian" pride by eating traditional "Italian" foods (many of which are actually Greek) such as Pizza, etc. at these events.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I'm talking about black and hispanic "pride" events, which are allowed to happen without comment from the media and attended by ONLY their respective groups. And anyone protesting a rather extreme rally (such as those by the Aztlan movement) would be labeled a racist who obviously "doesn't like" Mexicans. Really, what people don't like are illegal (and legal) Mexican immigrants telling us that California, Arizona, etc. is their birthright and if we don't like it get out. THEY are the racists and yet the protestors will be labeled as such by the media EVERY TIME.
So you are making the claim that as caucasians on this Earth dwindle in numbers, their culture will not?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I believe the corporate culture determines many of these things, which while you may argue is "mostly" white I say regardless of the race, religion color or creed of these people their ultimate alliegance is to GREEN. Baring of course minority-owned businesses, which often have open loyalty to their respective communities. While "American" culture may dominate, it just consists of ideas that are bought and sold. Other countries buy into the "idea" of an America that doesn't even really exist anymore. Can you tell me that whites dominate the mainstream music world? Doesn't seem that way to me. Instead, hip hop and r+b music is pushed on a disproportionate white majority, who if they don't like must be "racists". I actually grew up listening to alot of rap, but the garbage they push now (and that goes for all genres) 9 times out of 10 amounts to little more than audio diarrhea. How about major-league sports? Are whites equally represented in that venue?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Do you think a Mexican owns the company that paid for this billboard?:
http://s87186820.onlinehome.us/mexico.jpg
All of this is moot anyway because as China continues it's industrial boom it will surpass the US (and other major nations) in short as the world's dominant superpower. In fact, it's a good thing the US still has some culture to sell because we have less and less of anything else to market as the years go by.
I honestly don't want anyone to think that by openly discussing my views here that I either support this video or somehow dislike people who are not white. My point is simply that thoughout history, any society that has attemped the same "various cultures all living peacefully under one roof" experiment have failed miserably. I went through the same public school system that most of you went through, and was taught the same things about how America is the land of opportunity, and how we can all live together happily holding hands, the great melting pot, etc.
But there reached a point where my real life experiences had shown me that my education was blatantly incorrect. While yes, we can in fact "all live together" I no longer believe that smashing different cultures together is really a good thing in the long run. I think that besides what we are constantly told and programmed to believe, deep down inside, at an instinctual level most people feel they have a common bond with others like themselves.
Nothing showed me this more than when I started working with groups of Mexicans, Dominicans and Puerto Ricans. Talk about "racist" - each group extremely dislikes the other, for no apparent reason, and they speak nearly the same languages. This doesn't mean that everybody couldn't work together, because we all did. But when one isn't around the other the trash-talking flies. I eventually did some online research and found that even within Hispanic enclaves the different groups tend to "stick to their own kind", if you will.
Now for a little Off-topic goodness:
Well, thanks to the iPod - if every major player sold needed a proprietary app to access it no one would really notice. And it looks like a nice unit, but I'm pretty much stuck on video-capable players at this point. If it's iPod-sized it should play video (and DVD-res Divx video too!) whether it be on an LCD screen or output to a TV. For audio-only players I'd go with something smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grave
I agree, nothing but crap on most of the time. I'd actually prefer AM tuners but the small hardware chassis makes it nearly impossible, they usually tune FM bad enough. The recording feature is nice though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grave
When the shit hits the fan it always comes down to race. Always. Jails are segregated for a reason. Ask the 20 or so British tourists who were stuck in the Superdome during the Katrina disaster if they felt a bond as they were attacked from all sides by blacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grave
Why? I know it's "taboo" to discuss, especially if you are white but we're only going to understand it through discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grave
Another tasty morsel for you:
http://s87186820.onlinehome.us/whiteygetout.gif
Well, at least from my experience, you could almost say that Japanese see their race as being Japanese, not Asian. It isn't simply a cultural issue, although that of course is part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
A funny example of this is how so many main characters in video games have almost no connection to Japan, yet have "Japanese blood" in their family - Solid Snake, for one.
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Originally Posted by wEEman33
Yes, yes, I know. I was just pointing the fact out.
Maybe you think it looks good?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
What sort of thing? Canada is proud of being multicultural. Nobody's complaining about Canada losing its identity.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Canada/New France was founded on co-operation between the French/MicMacs. Then the Brits came. Then it was co-operation between the French and British. Then came the Scots and Irish. Back then each nationality hated each other despite having the same colour. They used terms like the "British race."
Yet they worked together.
A century later we're still inviting more cultures to join.
There is genetic commonality between ALL humans, but none that specifically sets aside one group from another along lines you define as 'racial'. So, to be exact there is no 'caucasian' gene nor is there a 'negroid' gene. If you have science that points to the contrary, let's see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
You can't say it's a cultural one either. Look at Europe's history, has it been a series of smiles and happiness and 'racial harmony'? No, it's soaked in blood and fueled with hatred and resentment. Even today while Europeans are not at eachothers throats, they're nowhere near all smiles toward one another. Hell, take a look at America. Who is among 'White' America's most hated? The French, fellow 'caucausians'.
That has nothing to do with race and everything to do with geographically origins. Take sickle cell anemia for example, it isn't just blacks who're prone to having higher occurances of it, but also men of Mediterreanian descent. They are 'caucasoid' yet because they descend from a climate in which malaria was a problem, they too have this mutation. It has NOTHING to do with the color of their skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Science has been clear for generations now that race is a social distinction, not a scientific one.
You think maybe the reason curry shops are overtaking "fish and chips" restaurants is because English food sucks and English people (meaning those of 'white' ancestory) are eating at these Indian joints more? These places succeed and multiply because people go to them, people all colors.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
This is reactionary and ridiculous. Look around the world and you will see the dominance of Western Anglo culture, 'white' culture. The idea that radicals in the immigration movement are going to drive the 'white majority' out of this country and back to our 'European homeland' is laughable. In both Western Europe and in the United States, those who are identified as 'caucasian' are in the majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Become more open-minded and understand that reactionary nativism harms themselves as much as the ones they're trying to oppose? Also, those laws you're talking about, what color was the person who wrote them? What color were the people who voted them into action?Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
So, the reason the churches have no priests is because they're all converting to Islam and going to mosques? Or is it because France, and Europe in general, is becoming increasingly irreligious?Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Anyway, Brigitte Bardot's agenda is not only a racist one, but a fascist one. In the same book you're quoting from A Scream in the Silence she goes on to call homosexuals "fairground freaks" and vehemently condemns women holding positions in the government. The comments she was arrested for, however, were for encouraging civilian massacres in Algeria.
Perhaps not something we'd convict someone of here in the United States, but still, far from innocent.
Stand up to what? I don't see what the coming threat is that you're so worried about.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
The foreign-born population of the United States is currently 33.1 million, equal to 11.5 percent of the U.S. population. Of this total, the Census Bureau estimates 8-9 million are illegal immigrants. So, if any of you math majors out there want to take a crack at it, what's the total percentage of illegal immigrants out the US population?Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
I'm guessing under 4% and at most 6%. Wow, if they're going to completely usurp our culture they better have Mechs or Godzilla or something.
This has to with motivations for immigranting. Most of the 'illegals' aren't here to make a permanent residence, they're here to work and send money home to Mexico. Once they've made enough money, a lot of them return to Mexico to retire. Why would they want to integrate if they knew they weren't going to stay?Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
And if I go to Little Italy in New York and ask them do they consider themselves "Americans" or "Italian Americans" they're all, without fail, going to tell me they consider themselves completely integrated into the so-called 'American culture' and see no reason to identity with their cultural heritage?Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
The Mexican government is partially responsible, but so is the American government and corporate America. Do you think these illegals would be coming in the numbers they were if there wasn't jobs here for them to get and people who wanted them to work at these jobs? Those, of course, would be corporations headed by caucasians.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
LOL, you show me where you're getting that figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Whole-fucking-heartedly. The Mexican government would collectively do a little dance if they could get US 'gringos' to immigrate legally, illegally, or whatever to Mexico. Why? Because they could tax them, and since gringos are per capita more wealthy than Mexican citizens, this would mean a windfall for their economy. This would also provide them with more far more skilled labor, technological expertise, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
This is not say that Mexicans are incapable of becoming skilled laborers or technicians, they just don't have the means or the opportunities in which to become them. That's why gringos, who have both means and opportunties in great abundance, would be a great addition.
Just look at the resort communities in Mexico, where caucasians migrate to annually. What is the dominate language?
There is no "Japanese gene." This is a cultural and nationalistic distinction. Keep in mind that the current 'Japanese' residing in Japan came from Korea. The Ainu are only people who're truly 'native' to Japan, and even they in the distant past immigrated there from Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
You like throwing out buzzwords, but that doesn't change my point. That these men are both caucasians and are arguably the most powerful economic and political entities in the world. How can you argue the disempowerment of 'whites' when its whites who control the economy, the government, and the culture?Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
As unlikely as it is, yes. The 'white' European culture is ingrained in societies throughout the world, even if one day those who're identified as 'caucasian' were gone the products of their cultures will not simply disappear.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Yes, the heads of the major record labels are predominately white. The heads of the chain stores that sell mainstream music are white. You say that these people are all motivated by greed, by the desire to accumulate capital. Well, that's one of the hallmarks of capitalism isn't it? Capitalism is part of the 'white' majority culture in America and the Western world. Adam Smith was a white man. How can you indict them for pursuing a cultural goal native to their background? Does that not make YOU one of the ones who're attacking the dominant culture?Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Who're the majority of coaches, managers, commissioners, and owners? Who're the majority of sports spectators?Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
I used to think this way, I also used to think global warming was a serious imminent threat, and that recycling of all forms was productive to the environment. In every case I found out I was misled, misinformed, and had bought into the hype.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
And cultures which are fiercely insular and nativist have flourished? Look at China and Japan, for example, they fought to keep the West out for centuries and what did it get them? Complete cultural domination in both cases. There is no evidence I know of in the historical record of a culture remaining totally isolated and flourishing without any problems or instability.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Others like ourselves? If you're white I can tell you right now you and I do not have a common bond other than our skin shares a similiar pigment. We are obviously in complete disagreement on what it means to try and inhabit a modern culture. When I saw the music video I couldn't help but chuckle when I saw the sticker that said "White Pride. World Wide." because of any 'racial' group, what group has killed eachother in as large numbers as whites have killed one another?Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Mexicans, Dominicans, and Puerto Ricans are not members of different races. Thus, you're invalidating the very heart of your argument. These people are all designated by society as "Hispanic" and they do all share a cultural heritage. The problems between them are entirely cultural and nationalistic, it has nothing to do with skin color. Hispanics in general aren't even a 'race', most them are a blend of Spanish and natives of the American continent.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
For those of you who skipped to the bottom and want the Cliff's Notes of this post, here you are; 1.) Race does not exist genetically, 2.) Nearly every racial confrontation is really motivated by class and culture, something that is not at all genetic, 3.) Brigitte Bardot is a fascist lunatic, 4.) Those who identify themselves as 'Caucasian' are in the majority in America, control all the money and power, and really have nothing to worry about, 5.) Finally, if you want to feel solidarity with a race, make it the HUMAN race, because scientifically thats the only race any of us belong to.
Pift, then I assume you fight like hell never to get a West Coast tan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opaque
The point is even if the Japanese don't THINK it's only a cultural issue, really it is. There is no 'Japanese race'. Their reasons for holding the stereotypes they do is because of culture and nationalism. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, you'd know far more about Japan than I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
good god man, do you have carpal-tunnel yet?
Heh, I had to stop in the middle to eat dinner. I've also been playing Atelier Iris inbetween paragraphs.
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Originally Posted by g0zen
I just moved to a much more culturally diverse area than where I used to live (I moved from the Annapolis, MD area to about 20 miles NW of DC). It's actually pretty cool to have lots of nationalities and ethnicities in one area because it seems to make most people accepting of other cultures (not all, but most). Not only that, there are a bajillion different kinds of ethnic restaurants around here. Interestingly, I always have customers walk up to me at work and just start speaking Spanish to me. Actually makes me want to learn how to speak that language, as many people in my area are bilingual.
And, umm.....SLAYER ROOLZ!!!
OK, I think we all know by now that race is a made up concept and the real problems are cultural. How does pointing out the difference help us in this discussion?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
BTW, am I wrong for thinking mexican and sterotypical black youth culture sucks fat fucking dick?
Apparently we don't 'all know' or else videos like this wouldn't exist. Besides, sphere was adamant in saying race was genetic, I was doing what I could to educate him. That helps the discussion far more than anything you've posted. Especially when it's just bullshit like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
You ARE wrong because you're judging a stereotype. Besides, stereotypical white southern culture sucks equally as much dick, if not more.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
It is wrong to judge sterotypes? I can't have an opinion of them? So I'm wrong too for not liking stereotypical white southerners? Man, that is three in a row.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Yeah they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ste-Von
It's bigot Tic-Tac-Toe, and you've just won!Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
I think maybe the use of the word "race" may be incorrect (though, if that is the case it is incorrectly used by many people). To be accurate, yes the Human DNA Genome is 99.99% the same throughout all variations of peoples. It is also 99.99% the same as compared to many animals. It is the .01% that makes the difference. And you are correct, there is no "caucasian" or "negroid" gene per se, there are slight variations within tested samples that are common to common peoples. These variations can therefore be studied and used to determine specifically what ancestral makeup a person has.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
It is a relatively new field however as more research emerges and more DNA samples are studied from various continents (matched of course to and taking into consideration historic migration patterns) it is becoming a more and more accurate way to know one's racial (there's that word again) makeup and/or ancestry.
It is also of particular interest to many minority groups as a way to study and learn why certain diseases show prevalence in some and not others. It has recently been used by Indian tribes to determine whether someone making the claim they are American Indian has enough DNA to be considered as such.
I'm not saying that there's any one factor. Just that race (or ethnicity) IS a factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I never said it had anything to do with the color of their skin. And no matter how it became prevalent, it's in the genes and therefore part of black geneology.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Assuming there is agreement on what "race" actually designates, the Human Genome Project and other recent research has shown that ancestral history can be traced by studying genes. There's even discussion about its progress and ramifications in mainstream publications such as the Scientific American. And lets not forget the folks at Ancestry by DNA who are one of the companies offering DNA "print" services.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I think the point is the influx of immigrants have affected the culture. Whether that impact is positive or negative is what is open to debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I agree, and I never said that's what was going to happen. My bringing up La Raza and the Aztlan movement was to prove my point that blatantly racist minorities (La Raza means "The Race"), some of whom aren't even legal citizens can organize, harass and threaten without fear of arrest or mainstream media backlash. They'll even get funding from massive corporations and have politicians like Hillary Clinton in full support of their hispanic interests.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
http://s87186820.onlinehome.us/ClintonLaRaza.jpg
Though all statistics point to a dwindling of caucasians in this country. The reasons are various but either way caucasians are simply not allowed to be concerned about it like others are.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
How is it hurting the nativists? You can still buy a Pizza in Japan, and enjoy many "American" cultural things. Plus you don't have any of the BS "racial tensions" or mandatory "diversity training" problems. I ask you, are the people of Japan (and other homogenous nations) "close-minded" or "racist?"Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Probably mostly white, but that is beside the point. We already established the corporations and politicians cannot have a white racial identity in the same way that minority politicians and corporations can. How about what the owner of "Blacknificent" books Kamau Kambon at the C-SPAN forum entitled "Black Media Forum on Image of Black Americans in Mainstream Media" said on Friday?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
"And the one idea is, how we are going to exterminate white people because that in my estimation is the only conclusion I have come to. We have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet to solve the problem."
This was Friday. On CSPAN. Here's the link. Now, can you find a SINGLE AP story even the slightest bit outraged by his comments?
So her suggesting France stay French is racist? But illegal Mexicans organizing as "The Race" claiming US soil as thier own are only "radicals" in your eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I believe it was an interview I quoted and not her actual book.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Again, I can't say I support her ideas or comments but I was refering to her latest fine, which was for generic "racial hatred inciting." Still, why is someone ARRESTED FOR COMMENTS? Making a specific, serious threat against someone is a different story but no one should be arrested for thoughts, ideas or comments, no matter how ugly they may be.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
See above. And the ADL's Hate-Crime bill is making it's way though our system of government as we speak. Things like it have already had negative effects in Canada, and are poised to do the same here. It's simple. A crime is a crime. The motivation behind it doesn't make it worse and is irrelevant in the criminal courts.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Funny you mention Mechs as MEChA is the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan. Again, a group with representation on college campuses with support from professors. And the census bureau pretty much admits it has no idea how many illegal immigrants are really in the US, its estimates are likely low. And I also never said they were going to completely usurp our culture. I was referring to long-term impacts and how it will effect the US many, many generations from now. It WILL radically change it, there is no question of it. Ask the Ohio business owner who was told his "For Service Speak English" sign has violated Ohio state civil rights laws. Keep in mind the sign has received no complaints but he may be required to take "diversity training" classes, pay for anti-discrimination advertising and take the sign down if he loses his appeal. Do you think the same thing would happen to a Hispanic-oriented business owner?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Then why do some of them want to take US land they claim is theirs? It's not like they're running out of space in Mexico. What they really want are the infrastructures currently built upon said regions.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I never said the American government and corporations weren't responsiible, in fact I said they enjoy the fruits of their labor - even if the majority of US citizens oppose their actions (or inactions, as it may be).Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I've heard it before, though it's obviously a ballsy claim and impossible to prove. It comes from the idea that there are supposedly 105 million Mexicans, and some Mexican immigration (legal and illegal) stats are closer to 20/30 million in the US. There was a recent poll in Mexico showing that 40% of citizens polled wish to live in the US. That must make the governement down there real proud.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I doubt they would accept American culture suplanting theirs. And US citizens who buy land in Mexico have to do it through a holding company because they cannot even legally own land.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
So who's building those Fords, Nissans, VW's, Toyotas, Chryslers, etc. as we speak?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
They have them when outside corporations are willing to exploit their lower labor costs and flimsy environmental laws for profits.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Because George Bush doesn't care about white people!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Yes, but no matter what the ethnicity of the string pullers, ultimately I think their motives harm EVERYONE in this society.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I never said anything about neccessarily being totally isolated. Regardless of what culture is sold to them, at the end of the day they are Chinese and Japanese.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I'm not saying you WILL have a bond based only on appearances or ethnicity, just that it plays a part in it. Not the whole part mind you - social, religious and other beliefs play into it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
First off, I would venture to guess there are discernable genetic differences (though likely smaller than other varying ethnic groups), but they are essentially classified (at least by society) as one group. All that shows is that there is a social component, it doesn't invalidate a genetic one as well. Actually, I wonder if they are segregated in prison?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Of course not, the can't or they'll get hauled off to jail! XM satellite radio is talking about launching a Canadian version and it'll have to lighten up the talk shows or not have some at all for fear of being sued under ansurd Canadian "hate-crime" laws. THAT is the sort of thing I'm talking about. And we think we've got it bad in the states with TWO languages on the ATM's, the one's I saw in Montreal had like 8!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisco Bold
They are in any situation where they have to be. Go to the family reunions and various holiday celebrations amongst those diverse peoples and you'll see 80-90 (higher for some) percent ethnic homogeneity in nearly all cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ste-Von
Like I said, they experience other foods in Japan. Also, how does the crime rate compare to where you were vs. now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ste-Von
So, to sum it up: 1. There ARE in fact discernable, viable differences in genetic makeup between different ethnic groups (lets not use "races"). 2. Minorities can get away with stuff whites cannot. 3. Regardless of who controls the power structure it currently seems to work against whites at least in some cases. (Again, I'm not claiming it doesn't for others too.) 4. Hate Crime laws are not needed and are a slippery slope. 5. Discussion of certain topics by certain races makes people uncomfortable and may get you arrested (if you are the wrong color) in some countries. And that's bad.
Fucking right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
What the fuck are you talking about? We were born and raised to be tolerant of other cultures and races. We're not afraid of being hauled off to jail. Everything you're talking about is foreign to most people who live up here. Ask Andrew, Kedawa, Jonas, StriderKyo, Neozeed and Rocca. (Two of which speak french.)Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
Who cares if there are multiple languages at ATMs? You don't like convience?
You speak as though we should be preparing for some huge race war.
Keep Canada out of this. You know nothing about this country.
The Metal Band Josh linked, isn't just bad; it's Ronnie James Dio bad. :yuck:
Yeah, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisco Bold
It's kind of ironic to be complaining about the languages on an ATM in Quebec.
He should just be thankful that one of the languages was english.
The reason white people are 'dwindling' in America and Europe is because, as in all developed countries, people are having comparatively fewer children, creating a need for immigration.
It stands to reason that the immigrants will mostly be of another ethnicity, since the rest of the world isn't white.
Japan is going through the exact same thing.
I don't get this. Are we trying to build a moonbase? What exactly are we doing new that we need more people for? I mean fuck, if anything, we are sending work away.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
You shut the fuck up. Ronnie James Dio is 5 times the man you will ever be.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
I'm a bigot for not liking people who do certain things that I also do not like?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
No, you're a bigot because you're pre-judging people based on a stereotype that you've bought into.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Also, the Tic-Tac-Toe thing was a joke. Could you really not tell? IP, sometimes you really bother me with how aloof you seem to be. I hope it's all an act, for your sake.
"Jump on the tiger you can feel his heart but you know he's mean"Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
It really is scary how many homosexual overtones there are in 80s metal.
No, I don't prejudge them. I just don't like them for doing whatever thing I don't like. See, I'm not thinking "man, that guy has on fubu clothes, he is probably a thug, wants to rape my woman and kill me. Man I hate him." I'm thinking "jesus christ, why does this asshole front all over the place (guy really is fronting, I'm not assuming it). Fucking asshole."Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I don't find the word bigot to be funny in any context. I know you were joking, I just wasn't amused.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
LOL, so I offended your delicate sensibilities? Give me a fucking break.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Dio says that song is about a jesus like character that is hated by the people who he saves. Yeah, I don't see that either. At best I think Dio had some good drugs or booze in the 80s.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
If you want gay, go look up some Judas priest stuff.
But yeah, the entire glam thing was kind of gay. It was done for shock value, to piss parents off, and to push the boundaries of fashion in much the same way that women did when they embraced pants.
He's fronting because he's wearing FUBU? Is that all it takes with you? If so then you're the asshole and you ARE pre-judging them. To really make a judgement you'd need to <gasp> walk up and get to know the person before you can really say whether or not they're an asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Can I throw the N word around and not offend anyone's "delicate sensibilities?"Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Intelligent and skilled southerners like being called bigots about as much as intelligent and skilled black people like being called the N word. Its a dirty word from our cultural past that we don't want to be associated with.
Yeah, I know, I'm just a stupid white kid, so no one cares if I am offended. I'll get over it. But I don't have to find it funny.
I'm not calling you a bigot because you're a white southerner, and even then you really can't call it a racial slur on par with the 'N' word because I'm a white southerner too. I'm not pre-judging you, I'm making a judgement based on your statements in this regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
While they may not go to level of bigotry, and I will readily admit my use of the word there was in JEST nothing more, they are a sign of someone who carries stereotypes and prejudices and uses them as his lens to see the outside world.
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Originally Posted by g0zen
I don't think I've said anything that was pre-judging anyone. I said I thought certain cultures sucked balls. To me, culture is a way of doing things, like the way people act, how things are built, holidays, or certain types of music. I should have the ability as a person to say I don't like all those things or some of those things if I want with out being insulted. If I want to say that I think that Chinese lanterns, a cultural thing, suck fucking balls, I should be able to do so, with out being called a racist or a bigot.
Not liking the things that make up stereotypes, and using stereotypes to judge people with out knowing them, are two different things. It should be ok for me to not like hunting or putting a lift kit on an old 86 F150.