Public schooling's run by the government, let them peddle their own stuff there. Honestly, plenty of other crap like fundraisers go to the kids that I'd sooner want out of the system. "Oh no! I don't like Bush's war, don't let his dogs come to MY school where my children may be misled into following him!"
Just because they don't want recruiters in their schools in NO WAY says that San Francisco has abandoned the military or declared independence. The school board has the right to make decisions about things they feel may be hindering the educational environment. Students interested in military careers still have ample opportunity to talk to recruiters off school grounds or by joining the ROTC program.Quote:
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Up here in Seattle, Garfield HS has said (apparently) that recruiters can't come to the school (goodbye federal funds!).
Said a school administrator:
"It's okay to die for something but it's not okay to kill for something."
Un. Fucking. Believable.
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How does recruiters visiting schools hinder the "educational environment"? Why is this only happening now, in the most liberal city in the country, at the height of the unpopularity of the war in Iraq? That they can talk to recruiters off school grounds is irrelevant, that's like saying "No more sex ed in public schools, they have ample opportunity to go to planned parenthood and learn about condoms and STD's." That will never happen in San Fran, despite record teen pregnancy and STD rates and kids fucking like crazy in schools to the point where proms are getting cancelled. Why? Because this isn't about the "educational environment" or any other such bullshit excuse, it's about anti-war liberals trying to remove the military from their community. Let's call a spade a spade.
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Isn't dying for something essentially killing yourself for something? Gotta love that poseur-pacifist logic.
Once again you show your crippling ignorance and how any information you get is fed to you by conservative talking heads. The CDC reports that births to teenage mothers are continuing to decline across the nation as they have since the 90s, and according to The Right Start the city with the second LOWEST teen birth rate in the United States is: SAN FRANCISCO.Quote:
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Or despite record low recruitment numbers? Is it San Francisco's fault that the military has been missing their recruiting goals steadily? It doesn't seem to matter if the recruiters are at the schools, the kids aren't buying what they're selling. To me, this doesn't seem to be the great blow to the military that conservatives are touting it as, an unpopular war and a government people have no faith in seems a far greater deterrent to potential recruits.Quote:
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First of all, you're ignoring the point completely (I wasn't arguing to remove sex ed, I was arguing that it'd be silly to use "hinders educational environment" as an excuse to push politics.) Secondly, arguing about pregnancy rates in the city with the largest homosexual population in the country is pretty silly.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ry-goals_x.htm
We just hit our recruitment goals for the month of October, the start of the budget year. Next excuse?
LOL! Look at your backtracking after YOU said that San Francisco had RECORD TEEN BIRTH RATES! I hope anyone who thought you had even an inkling of credibility caught this FLIP-FLOP and will now realize how full of it you are.Quote:
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You're completely misunderstanding what I said (though I can see how you would, I probably should have made a more clear separation). I said Sex Ed will never be kicked out of public schools in San Fransisco, the rest of the sentence was referring to society as a whole. I thought that was obvious, especially with my reference to proms getting canceled over kids fucking in school (to my knowledge that's never happened in San Fran). It's all irrelevant to the point anyway, which you're derailing the discussion from. My point was that I can make a much stronger case for removing Sex Ed from school due to it disrupting the educational environment than anyone can for removing recruiters, and obviously sex ed shouldn't be removed, therefore the "educational environment" argument is bullshit. Next.Quote:
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Not to mention that, metaphysically speaking, it's perfectly fine to kill...Quote:
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