Yeah, so as I was saying, fuck you. Bring some bread to the table.
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Yeah, so as I was saying, fuck you. Bring some bread to the table.
lol.
Would you like me to bring in more? Because I know a number of people who think the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by rezo
I do too. I was just having fun with the "only person who thought this" line. I think there's even an old recording of him making fun of the sort of comedian he ended up becoming.
Three words that make Oswalt the funniest around: Battered, chapped pussy.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Also, his impression of William Alexander is roll on the floor clutching at your side funny.
Larry the Cable Guy is for morons. David Cross is for uppity snobs who like the Royal Tenenbaums. Neither are funny.
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LOL, thanks Frostwolf. Now you can back to searching my posts for something to try and 'get' me on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Again, I wasn't the one being a snob. I was just saying that I'm at least familiar enough with the comedy scene to reccomend some acts, which is all that I did. You're the arrogant douche making blanket statements about all of comedy, which is what frostwolf called you out on. You can quote irrelevant half-sentances all you like, but that won't keep anyone from noticing you dodged the argument. Yeah, maybe I made an assumption about what you had or hadn't seen, but it was a correct assumption, so don't get self-righteous.
Patrice O'Neal, Jim Norton, Paul Mooney, Dave Attell, Doug Stanhope, Nick Dipaolo, Joe Rogan, Robert Kelly... Ironically, none of them market themselves as edgy, and yet that dumb basic-cable-friendly fuck Carlos Mencia can't shut up about how edgy he thinks he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
The only comedian who thinks that is what makes edge is George Carlin. "Tee hee, pussy farts" indeed, George.Quote:
Originally Posted by frostwolf ex
EDIT: Ok, and Dennis Leary, too.
Frog burned gozen (just admit it), Dane Cook is funny, but Henry Rollins rules (not really a comedian though, but he's funny all the same).
Henry Rollins is more of a speaker than a comic.
He might as well be a comedian, because he's that god damn funny.
He did kind of make you eat your words.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
but that's usually the case at any show that's held at a stadium or any big time stage because the people holding the event need to make some money as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Interpol
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Like Shidoshi and Frog have said, Carlin WAS FUNNY like 20 years ago, now he's just an angry bitter old man, and just not funny, man his old shit about when he was a class clown in catholic school fucking cracks me up, and come one his one line "can you watch a women eat a banana and NOT think about a blow job." is just fucking truth, but that said, his shit now adays blows, it just blows, it's too angry, to spiteful, to much of what he used to make fun of, he used to rip on people who sold their voice or image to sell products, and those jokes were funny and can you imagine my shock when one day I turn on the TV and what do I see him doing a voice over for a fucking dodge neon, I think once his show (which was funny) was cancelled he just got pissed off and bitter
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Greg Giraldo, Norton, Attel fucking hillarious guys, New Jersey/New York just makes the best comedians
Dane cook is damn funny to me, I just had to drive back from deep in PA today 6 1/2 hours, Dane helped make the time go by alot faster
as far as david cross, he's hit or miss for me, I think hes insanely awesome in Arrested Development, but I find some of his stand up too preachy, I don't need a comedians political stance, nor any other entertainer for that matter
larrey the cable guy just sucks
Boston's turned out some good ones lately, too. But they all live in New York and New Jersey and made their careers here, so I want to claim them too :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
I think it's fine if it's funny. Guys like Bill Hicks, Colin Quinn, etc put a lot of their personal views into their comedy, and they do it in a way that is entertaining regardless of if you agree with any of it. I think that's a great thing, and it's what separates them from the Janine Garrofolos and David Crosses.Quote:
as far as david cross, he's hit or miss for me, I think hes insanely awesome in Arrested Development, but I find some of his stand up too preachy, I don't need a comedians political stance, nor any other entertainer for that matter
I had to miss seeing Greg Giraldo this weekend, since I had to put in a bunch of extra hours. Sucks. I might end up missing Charlie Murphy next week because of finals, too.
why the fuck is this thread 4 pages long? A guy who pretends to be smart owned a guy who pretends to be dumb, woopty fucking shit. This does not deserve 4 pages of conversation.
P.S. I don't care how many pages that the guys on the board with different TNL settings than me, see. So don't point it out to be clever. I'm aware, I just don't care.
This is a discussion forum, therefore people are discussing stuff. This is the basic function of a message board.
Remember that next time I make a thread.Quote:
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Originally Posted by IronPlant
David Cross is the man. Who else can say they are in the best film and the best sitcom ever? Probably only him.
But fuck the Larry the cable guy article. Read Cross' stuff about Jim Belushi at at that same site. That article he wrote for pitchfork that made fun of pitchfork was great too.
Unless he was in Seinfeld or Curb Your Enthusiasm and I somehow missed his appearances I don't think he can, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinopio
Hes talking about Arrested Development. As for movie, I am not sure which movie he is talking about. Maybe...Small Soldiers????Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
I know, I'm saying Arrested Development isn't the best sitcom ever.
Ron Ronnie Run, most likely.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
I remember watching Carlin in the 80's on HBO. The guy was funny. I then watched a show in the 90's with Carlin on HBO and I couldn't believe this was the same comic. Robin Williams is the same way.
So who saw David Cross RIP it on Last Laugh 05 and then call out Larry the Cable guy?
I did.
I hope this ends in a shooting. But since they're comedians the gun will fire out a flag that says 'bang,' at which point they will go out for the guinnesses.
That was funny shit. Cross is done with his set, and ends with "Git 'er done".Quote:
Originally Posted by Do You Like Erotic?
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Originally Posted by Calliander
You've never heard David Cross do standup eh? Its not really uppity or snobby, it's quite lowbrow and hilarious.
"Here you go little boy, the world's filthiest ball-draining cum mag."Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
We so need to start an East Coast/West Coast comedy war. There's already kind of a rivalry going there.Quote:
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Yeah and his audience is not really snobs either, mostly grungie dudes and comic book nerds.
Yeah, comic book nerds are never snobby know-it-alls.Quote:
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the east coast would dominate
Never before TNL have I seen people soooo desperate for things not to be funny. Fighting, tooth and nail, to prove something isn't funny. With math sometimes.
What a bunch of nerds. Christ.
The king of all nerds declares the above post to be true(in 'nerdspeak' this would be considered "ibtn").
So it shall be written, so it shall be told.
IBTN. East Coast is mostly where the comics who aren't network-friendly enough for a sitcom end up. Rogan, Stanhope, Chris Rock, and Dom Irrera are West Coast, though.Quote:
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Let's see who else has hosted SNL.Quote:
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Louis Lasser
Laura Leighton
Brandon Tartikoff
Betty Thomas
Harry Dean Stanton
The most legendary of these people is most famous for being the dad in Pretty in Pink.
Arrested Development and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.Quote:
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I like Curb as much as the next guy, but season 5 had maybe 3 good episodes.
Seinfeld certainly has the longevity factor over AD but its not nearly as quick or clever. And as far as production values go, its no contest. Seinfeld is my #2 favorite sitcom though.
Run Ronnie Run is worth purchasing for the "Kick in the cunt" song alone.
More evidence that Larry is the redneck equivelent of a Sambo act. Behold, footage from back when he was just Dan Whitney
http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/1694862/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCJ7E...ch=cable%20guy
(They're both the same clip)
Only because KC is bigger.Quote:
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LOL W/ Jack Black and the Cartoon characters?
I like Ronnie Dobbs: The Musical. The whole "Can't a man... " business.
That was a real refreshing read :)
I think the guy sucks too, but you do realize that many comics create character personalities - often based in race/culture/sex/etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Carlos Mencia (Ned Holness) would be a good example - it's debatable how "Mexican" he really is, but he plays it up for the emerging audience. Just like "Dan" plays to his. It's half the reason why alot of female comics are annoying, they tend to use their vagina as a crutch too much. Male comics do it too but it's less common.
I don't know, dude. I can't take a step without seeing some kind of church, and I live an hour away from KC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tracer
God I hate comedians.
And I hate their fans even more.
They are just jokes. Fucking jokes. They are pointless wastes of time that only make you chuckle or whatever. Not the goddamn epitome of our fucking generation. They are not philosphers. How this went for 5 pages arguing about the merits of a redneck and a elitist snob, Carlin's deadbrain ass and the merits of Dane fucking Cook(flavor of the month) is amazing.
Jesus, avatar, shut your mouth.
But when PeeWee Herman got off stage, he was Paul Rubens, still. Larry keeps it going at all times, writes lies in his bio, and doesn't want to let any of his fans in on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sphere79
It's also a particularly insulting character mocking southern stereotypes, coming from someone who isn't even southern. Hence why it seems like a Sambo blackface act to me. It's just a cringe-worthy cliche.
Actually it's not debatable. He's not even 1% Mexican. He's Honduran. He was born in Honduras and came here when he was like 10. But he's actually addressed this in his act, and talked honestly about it in interviews. There is a real Ned Mencia out there.Quote:
Carlos Mencia (Ned Holness) would be a good example - it's debatable how "Mexican" he really is, but he plays it up for the emerging audience.
That said, him calling himself a beaner every 3 seconds does come off as disingenuous and pandoring, and I don't really enjoy his comedy much, but he's not as bad as Larry.
Some bios claim his mother is from Mexico, but I know about the Honduran (and German too I think).Quote:
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I think he addressed it because Joe Rogan publicly called him out on it, but I give him credit for at least acknowledging it. He even joked around that he was thinking of calling his new DVD "My name is Ned".Quote:
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From what I've seen of him lately he seems to have toned that down too - he has a new term he's using more. But it really puts the whole (pointing to stage props) "this is the ACTUAL fence my parents jumped to come here" joke into perspective.Quote:
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Also, alot of comedians "borrow" jokes, but he has been accused a bit more than others of outright stealing material. But comedians can be VICIOUS to eachother sometimes so who knows......
As far as "Larry" is concerned, I'm willing to bet he plays the redneck thing because it's easy. He can do stereotype-based comedy and be "safe" at the same time - as no "redneck" is likely to come out and complain. To those Sirius subs out there - does having the "Blue Collar" comedy channel mean they keep it off of the regular channel? If so, I'd like that on XM so I don't have to hear it. I can stomach a bit of Foxworthy stuff now and then (but then, some of his stuff is ACTUALLY funny) but I turn XM Comedy whenever Larry's pinched, nasal, unfunny and annoying voice comes on.
fuck, rednecks think he is telling it how it is.
Fucking dumbasses.
Yea, his mom is Mexican. And he grew up in East LA where he absorbed, I am sure, tons of Mexican culture. My mom is PR but I grew up in a lily white area, so for all intents and purposes I am culturally white.Quote:
Ned Arnel Mencia (born October 22, 1967), better known by the stage name Carlos Mencia, is a comedian, writer, and actor. He was born seventeenth of eighteen children in San Pedro Sula, Honduras. His father, Roberto Holness, is from Honduras and his mother, Magdelena Mencia, is from Mexico and are both Catholic. He was raised in East Los Angeles, California by his aunt Consuela and uncle Pablo Mencia, going by the name Ned Holness in honor of his father. By his own admission, staying out of trouble was difficult growing up, but with the help of his family he excelled in school and stayed out of gangs. He majored in electrical engineering at CSULA but left early to pursue a career in comedy after a successful performance at open mike night at The Laugh Factory.
And holy shit, 18 kids.
The good ones don't. It's not acceptable in the comic community, and lately comics have gotten a lot more aggressive about self-policing that sort of thing.Quote:
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Different issue entirely, though.
I'd agree with avatar that comedians on the whole are pretty worthless.
It seems they are only great if they can transcend the role of a comedian and become a philosopher, so to speak. They no longer have fans, just millions of people willing to shut up and listen intently to what they have to say.
i.e. Richard Pryor.
I dunno, sometimes they're pretty funny.Quote:
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it was the same with bill cosby, with family stuffQuote:
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but you know, both of those guys were very funny with how they related the info to you.
Comedy needs another bill cosby. You know, someone that makes jokes about family shit. Culture differences and political stuff isn't as funny as it used to be. To be honest, both are very depressing these days. I need another comical equiv of the story about the chocolate cake.
"...and she came down the stairs, and her face SPLIT,... and FIRE came from her EYE SOCKETS"
I also want a comedy show with Christopher walken, Patrick Stewart(sp?), and William shatner.
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true that.
I was listening to an old Louis CK album and I noticed a joke I had heard elsewhere... looks like Dane Cook shamelessly hacked this one.
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~tfahs/danesteals.mp3
Stand up comedy is like the lowest rung of entertainment. I also agree with avatar. Almost all of it blows. Hell I love Mr. Show and Arrested Development but I don't give a shit about Cross's stand up.
Dane Cook isn't funny at all. But he's not as bad as Larry the Cable Guy, who is like anti-comedy. I heard him a few times on a local radio station before he got big and he was horrible then too.
I think stand-up comedy is awesome, and some of the things that good comedians can come up with are hilarious.
Improv is the lowest rung.
I love stand-up comedy. I havent gone to too many places but always have a good time.
There's a reason stand up happens in bars and many comedy clubs have two drink minimums. Stand up is much better when you're hammered.
Did you end up checking out one of those places I mentioned when you were in new york by the way?Quote:
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Honestly, how much comedy have you really seen? A lot of it stinks, but when someone has a gift for it, it can really be something. Have you ever listened to Bill Hicks, for example?Quote:
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So is life.Quote:
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I agree. The problem isn't really that stand up comedy is bad, it's that there are so many people doing bad stand up comedy. In that sense, bad standup can be excruciating, because there isn't something else, like a plot, that could recover someone's interest.Quote:
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Yea, I went to the Comedy Cellar. It was great, thanks.Quote:
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There's a lot of people out there working as comics on cruise ships and in bars, or working as middle acts warming up for real comics. These guys don't count.Quote:
Originally Posted by stormy
I think one of the other problems with stand-up comedy, is that it really doesn't get much respect on its own, so a "big-name" comic, generally speaking, is one who made his name doing something other than stand-up comedy. There are rare exceptions, like Dane Cook, or Andrew Dice Clay, but by and large a "famous comedian" means "a famous actor who does comedy". Which stinks.
David and Larry are funny.
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Or maybe club owners want to make money. Whichever.Quote:
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David Cross is in my studio today. Just sayin'.
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I'm an animator. It's hush hush. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mykozo
How does a 2 drink minimum work anyway? You prepay for the drinks when you enter, whether you have em or not? I couldn't really picture some bouncer approaching your table and saying "um, excuse me, but you haven't consumed 2 alcoholic beverages, and the show is about to start. I am going to have to ask you to leave."Quote:
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Rad. Details when publicly available plz. I understand, we have lots of sensitive projects that we work on as well, being that they are in the advertising and political realms.Quote:
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Williams St.? I don't know any other animators in atlanta.Quote:
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There's a pretty big community of us running around Atlanta, actually. Radical Axis, Primal Screen, Williams Street, Cartoon Network, some company working on "Delgo"...Quote:
Originally Posted by stormy
Well, there is usually a cover charge just to get in and the drink minimum is usually posted somewhere. I've never seen it enforced, but then again I've never seen anyone "break" the rule. They just put it on your tab regardless I think. Waitress or whatever rolls by and asks you what you want.
I was watching the episode of Home Movies that both David Cross and Mitch Hedburg are in. Probably my two favorite comedians of recent years. And I also just found out Louis CK does the voice for Brendon's dad. You learn something new every day.
Musicals.Quote:
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No. It's not a 2 drink minimum, either, it's 2 items. Fries and a coke qualifies. You just order your two items during the show. If you don't the waitress will tell you at some point that you have to order 2 items. At the end of the show, they drop a check, and you pay as you leave (or pay the waitress and show the receipt at the door, or something like that).Quote:
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I knew that show was good for a reason.Quote:
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home movies?
slsk -- hubbitron
TLDR
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"Can a man not control his bitch with violence? You're a-brutalizin' meeeeeeeeeeee"
Dennis Miller's usually witty and right wing
Cross is a hit-or-miss asshole and I've managed to avoid Larry the Cable Guy's stuff so far because it looks like it would be the opposite of funny.
I'm reading his letter and I'm already getting tired of his constant insistances that he's un-P.C. intertwined with his noble trashing on white people for slavery. It's also hypocritical that he's trashing on the guy for doing a white trash character after he rode the white trash Ronnie character as far as humanly possible. Ronnie was hysterical but come on, he's funny for the same reasons I imagine some people find Larry the Cable Guy funny. The difference is that Larry the Cable Guy or Dan Whiten or whatever the fuck has been a lot more successful than David Cross.
Then he goes on with the see-saw "I'm all for un-PCness and capitalism but rich people should get their money taken away and things are expensive!" thing. 4 references to those evil "tax cuts for the rich", I'm done. Redistribution of wealth = bad, fart. It's funny because I said fart.
Dennis Miller's right wing? :lol:
anti-PC != right wing, dipshit.
Truth. I love his routine about getting a football sized tumor in his brain, walking into taco bell, eating until he's about to shit and then blowing his head off just because it'd be funny to see the illegal immigrant janitor have to clean up all the brains, cancer juice and shit. I'm convinced that the only reason he can't get a Comedy Central or HBO special is because he's A) Not obviously a leftist and B) Not Black or Hispanic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Good job owning Gozen too. Carlin's last special was sad, seeing how far he's fallen. That 20 minute opening rap thing where he just rhymes a bunch of cliches would have gotten him booed off stage if he wasn't the guy that used to be George Carlin. Also, I'm blown away that some people don't think Carlin or David Cross are leftists. Pseudo intellectual comedians that rank on Republicans and Christians for 20 minutes then do the token "Clinton was awesome for getting head" routine are always leftists.
I gotta say speech issues and censorship are one area where the right and left are both despicable. The right wants to be the Thought Police, and the left thinks the public has some kind of right to not be offended by anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
In his last HBO special he spent 10 minutes talking about the bullshit liberal ideology where it's ok to make assloads of money in any field except private business, another 10 minutes talking about why he voted for Bush and why we needed to invade Iraq, and another 5 minutes about the bullshit liberal ideology of equality without diversity. For a comedian that's pretty right wing, wouldn't you agree if you actually knew what you were talking about asshole?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Leaving aside the rest of the issue, I think saying this like that, implies that comics are generally left-leaning. I don't think that's true. There's a lot of comics on both sides of the spectrum. They're not generally the lefty hollywood types.Quote:
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You're right, I'll rephrase that; For a comedian with an HBO special that's pretty right wing.Quote:
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I keep forgetting that common sense = right wing around here. Under that definition, yes, he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
That was smarmy and obnoxious even for you.Quote:
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So, ignoring all the douchebaggery in this thread, I caught the first episode of Dane Cook's Tourgasm on HBO last night. Wow, that was possibly the least funniest thing I've ever seen. Him and his friends are no funnier than the average college boy retards. Also, that one guy in the bunch is a pussy bitch. Maybe seeing a full routine would give me a better impression, but somehow I doubt it.
Also, LAWL @ SpoDaddy for being a Bushite chode who forces himself to laugh at Dennis Miller's blatant right-wing pandering, lukewarm comedy. His last HBO special was so lame that he could barely get an audience that PAID TO SEE HIS BULLSHIT to laugh. Even Maher can get the people who come to his shows to laugh with his equally blatant lefty pandering and Kate Moss jokes.
And this, as usual, is the part where SpoDaddy shows he has no fucking idea what he's talking about. Cross may well be a leftist, whatever, but Carlin has maintained for YEARS that he is an ANARCHIST and damn proud of it, too. Of course, a myopic idiot like you WOULD try and connect those two together.Quote:
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Originally Posted by he who shall never be named
1. Dennis Miller jumped the shark after MNF.
2. George Carlin isnt as funny as he once was, but hes still way better than Miller.
3. David Cross rules as Russ Lieber on Colbert Report.
4. SpoDaddy is braindead imo.
Watch Lucky Louie for the laughs. On right after Entourage iirc.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Judging a routine on 5 second clips is pretty dumb any way you slice it. Jay Davis stinks, both on stage and in life, but I've definately laughed at the other three. Dane's comedy is more in the delivery than the material (which is a mix of random non-sequiturs and jokes he stole from other comics) and Bob Kelly's about as sophomoric as it gets, but like I said, I've laughed at them for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Most of the time the crowds in TV specials didn't pay to see the comic, actually. The station drums up a crowd somehow. Sometimes the comic will get to give free passes to fans first so there are real fans there, but a lot of times it's random people that have never heard of the comic before. Odd way of doing things, but that's the way it goes.Quote:
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"Bushite chode", is that the best you can do with someone who doesn't agree with your politics? When did I say Dennis Miller was a great comedian anyway? Once again you don't know jack shit about what you're talking about (they weren't a paid audience and there were no awkward pauses in laughter that I recall, but then again I wasn't out to hate on the guy).
You cited Bill Maher and yet apparently you don't watch his show (what a shock, you talking shit about something you know nothing about). Just a couple months ago he had George Carlin on, and Carlin spent the entire second half of the show talking inane shit about Bush, Iraq, Afganistan, capitalism, the scourge of the earth that is the United States, the evils of people owning guns, etc (all the usual radical liberal stuff). He's been trashing on Republicans and giving Democrats a pass on everything since 1980 you dumbass. He "maintains" that he's an "ANARCHIST" so that excuses morons like you from exercising actual thought? It's called a routine you tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Bill O'Reilly maintains that he's a moderate independant, either you believe him or you're a myopic idiot according to your own "logic". Either way, you're a waste of time and you're improperly using words that are too big for you, do us all a favor and go away.
I watched that the other night, I think the idea of a completely uncensored sitcom is interesting. I was lukewarm on it but it has potential, it's hard to judge a sitcom by the pilot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
I was operating on the assumption that they were showing the best bits (what else would you show?). I don't think it's dumb at all to just give my reaction to what I saw while adding the cavet that it was in no way comprehensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Very true, I think it'll just get better from here on out.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
You are operating on an incorrect assumption, regarding the best bits. They have a whole season to stretch the routines out over. They aren't going to blow the best stuff in the first episode. And it was more the fact that you didn't think seeing more would change your opinion that I found presumptious.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
TNL IS ATTACKING YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS, SPODADDY! GRRRRR!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spodaddy