Microsoft Announces External HD-DVD Drive for 360

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06 Jan 2006, 06:05 PM
mollipen

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Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne

im not seeing an argument here. my only point was that it (Vista) will run on older machines. you seemed to gloss over that.

My only argument was that I don't see Vista becoming the OS of choice on Windows machines anytime soon, so it won't make a huge difference for a while the support it is giving to HD-DVD. A lot of people bitched about the lack of worthwhile updates XP brought to the table, and Vista as well seems (to me) like it is going to be a hard sell. Some of the big new features have been dropped, others are being backported to XP, and if you turn off a lot of the pretty visuals to get it onto an older machine, that selling point is negated as well.

I'm not arguing Vista here - I'm arguing Vista's impact on HD-DVD. I know that Vista will run on older machines, but I don't care. In order for that to impact HD-DVD, you have to first convince somebody with an older machine to buy Vista (an argument I was making), and then convince them to upgrade their machine to play HD-DVD.

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And "classic" mode doesn't take away feature. just like XP it just changes the visual style. you understand this right? yes they're stripping it but thats not "classic" mode. two completely different things.

I'm not nearly as dumb as you're liking to think I am, nor is my knowledge of Windows as lacking as you think it is.

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doesn't Apple charge for every OS update (i.e you have to pay to go from OSX to OSX 10.1, 10.3...whatever?)

Technically, no. Major point releases are paid upgrades, yes. But between, say, 10.3 and 10.4, there are a LOT of free upgrades that come a long that do a lot of back-end updating. Not just stuff you might consider to be Windows service pack kind of stuff, or just bug fixes and security updates, but speed tweaks, new (smaller) features added, and numerous other things.

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that's why i find this "Apple is smart enough to know that you can't sell updates with just backend fixes to a huge amount of people. That's why, even if a lot of techie Mac people don't care about things like Dashboard or whatnot, they're important to get the casual user interested" funny.

Well, as I said, you're wrong. Apple does not charge just for backend updates - every version they charge for has major new features, OS overhauls, etc. The argument some Mac users then have, however, is the usefulness of those new features.
06 Jan 2006, 06:14 PM
gamevet

My only argument was that I don't see Vista becoming the OS of choice on Windows machines anytime soon, so it won't make a huge difference for a while the support it is giving to HD-DVD.

Do you think PC manufacturers are going to put out computers with Windows XP, when Vista arrives?
06 Jan 2006, 06:24 PM
Space Pirate Roberts

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Originally Posted by TobalRox

I know plenty of people that play ZERO games on their PC (ok, maybe solitaire and snood), yet they are buying computers every few years because things just start running slow with advances in the internet, MP3, digital cameras, etc.

The problem your friends seem to be having is called spyware, and you should let them know it's solved with (relatively) inexpensive security software, not replacing your system, before they waste any more money.
06 Jan 2006, 06:27 PM
mollipen

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Originally Posted by gamevet

Do you think PC manufacturers are going to put out computers with Windows XP, when Vista arrives?

I just said a few post back that they'd be releasing new machines with Vista. Of course they will be. But by the time that happens, it could already be too late for HD-DVD, and even if it isn't, all current PC's would magically have to transform into HD-DVD capable Vista machines for it to even matter in my opinion. Almost nobody is going to run out to buy a new PC just for the HD-DVD ability, and I don't think enough people buying new PCs at that point are going to care enough either way about HD-DVD for it to make a difference. As well, as I said, some companies will be releasing their new Vista machines with Blu-ray instead of HD-DVD.

For Vista's support for HD-DVD to matter in the war between the formats, you have to have ALL of the following:

(a) Vista released at a point where HD-DVD still has a fighting chance
(b) All new PCs released with HD-DVD drives
(c) People buying new PCs and then using the HD-DVD drive to watch movies
(d) People with current PCs upgrade their drives to HD-DVD and their OS to Vista (unless XP gets HD-DVD support)

All of those have to happen... and I just don't see it. It took like six months or so for Divx to die, so by the time Vista hits, HD-DVD could already be the loser - especially if Vista doesn't hit before the PS3 hits, which it won't. (b) simply won't happen, because you still have PCs being sold new with on CD-R drives, or worse, basic CD-ROM drives.
06 Jan 2006, 07:20 PM
kedawa

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Originally Posted by LordPerrin

The problem your friends seem to be having is called spyware, and you should let them know it's solved with (relatively) inexpensive security software, not replacing your system, before they waste any more money.

You can also completely solve the problem with a 100% free OS, like Fedora Core, Ubuntu, or Xandros.
And don't give me any of that 'but they don't know how to use linux!' crap either, because anyone with a system full of spyware clearly doesn't know how to use windows either.
People who don't play games on their PC simply don't need windows.
06 Jan 2006, 07:28 PM
Master

How did this thread become a Vista vs. Mac thread?
06 Jan 2006, 07:57 PM
cka

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Originally Posted by Master

How did this thread become a Vista vs. Mac thread?

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06 Jan 2006, 08:06 PM
mollipen

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Originally Posted by Master

How did this thread become a Vista vs. Mac thread?

That's what I'm wondering. I simply mentioned Vista's support of HD-DVD not making much difference, and suddenly I'm a Vista-hater who doesn't know anything about Windows.
06 Jan 2006, 11:06 PM
Rumpy

Since this thread is a complete trainwreck anyway, here's another completely unrelated tidbit.

Dells recently announced Fastest Computer Ever Fucking built (with help from Nvidia)
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/...spx?i=2664&p=2

Look at the heatsink on that thing!
06 Jan 2006, 11:16 PM
Razor Ramon

That is awesome.

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