DS loses to PSP in December.

PS2: 1.5 million
PSP: 1.12 million
DS: 1.07 million
GC: 473k
Xbox: 415,000
Xbox 360: 281k
GBA did better than the PSP or DS (number isn't out yet)

Top console and handheld games of 2005, by units sold
1. Madden NFL 06 (PS2), Electronic Arts
2. Pokemon Emerald (GBA), Nintendo of Amercia
3. Gran Turismo 4 (PS2), SCEA
4. Madden NFL 06 (Xbox), Electronic Arts
5. NCAA Footbal 06 (PS2), Electronic Arts
6. Star Wars: Battlefront II (PS2), LucasArts
7. MVP Baseball 2005 (PS2), Electronic Arts
8. Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (PS2), LucasArts
9. NBA Live 06 (PS2), Electronic Arts
10. LEGO Star Wars (PS2), Eidos

Console unit sales and market share numbers for 2005
Sony PlayStation 2 / 55 percent / 5.51 million
Microsoft Xbox / 24 percent / 2.40 million
Nintendo GameCube / 15 percent / 1.56 million
Microsoft Xbox 360 / 6 percent / 607,343

Handheld unit sales and market share numbers for 2005
Nintendo GameBoy Advance / 41 percent / 4.26 million
Sony PlayStation Portable / 35 percent / 3.63 million
Nintendo DS / 23.5 percent / 2.43 million

PSP and DS LTD sales in the US are now at:
DS - 3.81 million
PSP - 3.63 million

So is this thread going to stay open, or are sales threads only fair game when Nintendo wins? ;)

THOSE NUMBERS DON'T INCLUDE WAL MART!!!

LOL! SONY MISSED THEIR 6 MILLION TARGET BY 3 MILLION!

LOL! NO GAMES! NO GAMES!

(I got a PSP for $200 CDN this week. Lumines & Ridge Racer kick ass, Kingdom of Paradise does not.)

What? Not everyone was buying the games i bought this month? Here are the real sales. In a sweeping surprise, import DS titles tied for first place!

1) Daigasso Band Bros.- 1.315 GRILLION sales
1) Ossu! Takkae! Ouendan!- 1.315 GRILLION sales,
3) PoPoLoCrois- A google sales
4) Romancing SaGa- Infinity sales
5) Animal Crossing: Wild World- 18 trillion sales
6) Super Block Party- Fifty tripple griggle sales
7) Final Fantasy IV Advance- A MILLION
8) Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow- A thousand thousand and two
9) Tokobot- 218 sales
10) Guitar Hero- 52 sales

source- Roy Roger's Great Roast Beef Sandwich Something.

i'm happy as long as both do well

You made my soul cry out for Roy Rogers! :(

I'm more shocked that the cube outsold the 360.

Edit: Andy your missing the point of the other thread. DS outselling the PSP then wasn't the big news, wasn't even that big a suprise. It was how fucking big the difference was that caught everyone off.

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Edit: Andy your missing the point of the other thread. DS outselling the PSP then wasn't the big news, wasn't even that big a suprise. It was how fucking big the difference was that caught everyone off.

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Huh? The difference was 20k. The difference between the PSP and DS for December is greater than the difference for all three months that the DS outsold the PSP this year combined. :p

Btw, I love you Finch. :_)

i'd imagine the DS being behind in sales during December having a lot to do with stores (in japan) not having any in stock. you can't sell what you don't have.

This has nothing to do with Japan.

But yes, the PSP even outsold the DS in Japan last week (though obviously because of the shortage).

You know what that's kind of suprising i have no idea who bought all those psp. I know tnl isnt the best place get a sample of the us buying market.. but look at december's haul thread.. look at how many people got ds's, and then look at how many people bought psps...

but then who cares unless you own stock in either company.. no one should give a fuck if the ds outsels psp, or vice versa..

Who cares?

Yeah, those PSP fags didn't get a Mario coin from Satoru Iwata in Animal Crossing.

Yeah but they didn't spend 35 bucks on the stupidest game in the world either

dead heat

You're just sour that no one added your friend code back.

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LAWL, I am seriously considering making this my sig.

Wow. What a....huge gain?

I finally found Animal Crossing today, but it seems like everyone I used to leach off of has locked their hotspots. :(

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I finally found Animal Crossing today, but it seems like everyone I used to leach off of has locked their hotspots. :(

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Until you find another hotspot, believe me, the offline will keep you very busy. Simple brilliance. A co-worker recently bought his little girl a Gamecube, Sonic Mega collection, Mario Sunshine and AC on my recommendation. All three of them are playing AC nonstop.

His wife bought an extra memory card just so they could all have their own house and trade stuff. Even though I have the DS game, I now want to try the GC game someday, if not for the cool extra items like NES games.

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"The idea of a handheld rivalry with Nintendo is an irrelevance, those formats don't appear in our planning. It's not a fair comparison; not fair on them, I should stress. That sounds arrogant, maybe, but it's the truth." Which might sting more if the PSP was not being outsold by almost a million in Japan to the Nintendo DS. Other quotes worthy of mention include:

"With the DS, it's fair to say that Nintendo stepped out of the technical race and went for a feature differentiation with the touch screen, but I fear that it won't have a lasting impact beyond that of a gimmick - so the long-lasting appeal of the platform is at peril as a direct result of that."

"Nintendo knows its target audience, because it has really narrowed that down; and it's pretty much defined by a boy or girl's ability to admire Pokemon."

Phil Harrison, Sony America, 4 months ago.

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Wow. What a....huge gain?

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There was a seven page thread with half the difference last month, which you yourself started. You even said:

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Anyway, yeah, I'm just about to dive into it. Having played a lot of the GC version, the DS game sounds better in just about every way, sans NES games.

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Me too.

<3 Phil Harrison.

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There was a seven page thread with half the difference last month, which you yourself started. You even said:
;)

Anyway, yeah, I'm just about to dive into it. Having played a lot of the GC version, the DS game sounds better in just about every way, sans NES games.


Me too.

<3 Phil Harrison.

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My bad, you are right. This is indeed a significant gain. Looks like the giga packs actually paid off a bit for Sony.

We will have to exchange Animal Crossing codes sometime.

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Anyway, yeah, I'm just about to dive into it. Having played a lot of the GC version, the DS game sounds better in just about every way, sans NES games.
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i was most impressed by the new slingshot, that was cool, i also bought insurance, im shuddering to think for what though. as for the psp selling well, my only dissapointment is that this ill validate those fucking cartoon ads with the bad cheech and chong carpet things, seriously those things are annoying.

If I can get connected, certainly. :)

I wish Nintendo's USB thing was cheaper. It's like choosing between a new game or a piece of plastic.

I ordered a new shirt yesterday, got a mail today from Nook saying it's in. I go to the store and it's not there, just the option to order it. How do I get something I ordered?

Re: Andy. Yeah $40 for the dongle is steep. Might as well just get a cheaper router.

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I ordered a new shirt yesterday, got a mail today from Nook saying it's in. I go to the store and it's not there, just the option to order it. How do I get something I ordered?

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Did you check the Able Sister's place? They have all the clothes.

I am quite surprised that the PSP sold more than the DS in December. That doesn't mesh with anything I saw in the stores or people I know, but congrats to Sony.

Is that correct, that the PSP outsold the DS by 1.2 million this year? The month over month data didn't seem to be showing that. Do you have a link with this data?

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I ordered a new shirt yesterday, got a mail today from Nook saying it's in. I go to the store and it's not there, just the option to order it. How do I get something I ordered?

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Typically when you do catalog orders from Nook, the items are attached to his letter. It isn't in this case?

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Is that correct, that the PSP outsold the DS by 1.2 million this year? The month over month data didn't seem to be showing that.

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Yeah. The three months that the DS outsold the PSP this year totaled 42k combined.

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Typically when you do catalog orders from Nook, the items are attached to his letter. It isn't in this case?

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Duh, yup forgot to check as an attachment. Got it now, thanks.

watch the DS move up next month.

I have a hard time believing these numbers, I'm with RollTroll. Maybe the software units moved reflect the DS' dominance? Every retailer I stopped at over the holidays couldn't sell DS merchandise fast enough and was doing everything they could to try to push PSP's out the door, I don't see where this booming PSP market is.

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I have a hard time believing these numbers, I'm with RollTroll. Maybe the software units moved reflect the DS' dominance? Every retailer I stopped at over the holidays couldn't sell DS merchandise fast enough and was doing everything they could to try to push PSP's out the door, I don't see where this booming PSP market is.

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Well, just be patient. Your team of researchers arn't even back from the field yet. When they do get back, compile your info and come in and stamp a big red "CASE CLOSED" stamp on the thread.

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GBA did better than the PSP or DS

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So is this thread going to stay open, or are sales threads only fair game when Nintendo wins? ;)

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So, Nintendo didn't win?

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This is like some NBA yard ape dunking on someone and jumping around when his team is still down 112-75.

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This is like some NBA yard ape dunking on someone and jumping around when his team is still down 112-75.

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:lol:

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yard ape

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This needs to be brought back full-time, imo.

hey, I read it was because of the shortage...
can't believe everything you read, but if it's true, it will probably go up this month.

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Don't you mean "trash ape"?

Whatever. Most insults are better when followed by "ape." Got it, jizz ape?

Heh, jizz ape is good. Yard ape... not so much.

porch monkey

It's telling that PSP owners dance a jig when the PSP barely edges out a gimmicky handheld based on ten year old technology.

What if those PSP owners are also DS owners? It's also telling when a system --let alone a handheld-- that is literally twice the price of it's competitor, of which many (including myself) believe to have an inferior software library, is able to sell more units, regardless of how small an amount.

Also, stfu douche ape.

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You know what that's kind of suprising i have no idea who bought all those psp. I know tnl isnt the best place get a sample of the us buying market.. but look at december's haul thread.. look at how many people got ds's, and then look at how many people bought psps.....

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My old man ( He's 61) bought a PSP with GTA:Liberty City Stories. He was going to buy a portable DVD player, but had to have a PSP instead.

So what you're saying is that when you get to your 60s, have someone else buy tech for you? Because the games on the PSP aren't worth putting up with UMD movie prices and selection.

James

What none of you seem to be appreciating, probably because you're all mired in idiotic grade-school "my system is better than yours" bullshit, is that we are currently enjoying the greatest period of portable gaming in the history of video games. All the years of the GBA's crappy ports, wasted potential, and unimaginative retreads have been swept away by the DS. And the PSP, while its library isn't as large or diverse as one might hope, has already produced a portable version of the greatest, most revolutionary game of the previous console generation. Not too fucking bad if you ask me.

And do you know what we have to thank for this glorious era of gaming?

COMPETITION.

Do you think for a second we'd be getting all these great, imaginative games if the DS was the only game in town? Hell no. Every game would be like Super Mario DS: nothing but a quick cash-in. This generation, Nintendo finally realized that people want good portable games and wi-fi compatibility. Do you think they would have learned that lesson if Sony hadn't lit a fire under their asses?

Yes, competition is a very good thing.

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So what you're saying is that when you get to your 60s, have someone else buy tech for you? Because the games on the PSP aren't worth putting up with UMD movie prices and selection.

James

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He represents the average consumer. He doesn't read videogame message boards, but likes his tech toys. The PSP may not have as many great games as the DS, but he (like most mainstream consumers) sees the PSP as a high tech toy with a lot of cool gadgets.


I agree Sleeveboy. ;)

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And that would be part of my point. The average consumer wants something and goes with the thing that seems to promise that, but without understanding the full range of options. The thing is, the PSP is a high-tech toy, but "toy" is all it is. The game selection is fairly weak, the UMD format is overpriced and low in movie selection,and the screen smears noticeably when things start moving at a decent speed.

But it's a sexy piece of tech, so it's good enough. The image of the PSP's sexiness overcomes its limitations every time, right?

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And the PSP, while its library isn't as large or diverse as one might hope, has already produced a portable version of the greatest, most revolutionary game of the previous console generation.

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Actually, that would be Rockstar who did it, and it's coming to PS2. Assuming you mean GTA, of course. I'm actually looking forward to playing that once it hits a console with a controller advanced enough to give me a controllable camera.

For what it's worth, I love Tokobot, quite like Legend of Heroes, can't wait for the new Katamari and Exit, and am probably going to import a few things I can't get over here for the PSP. I don't actually dislike the system, I'm just disappointed in it.

James

I love you, Sleeve.

Despite how seemingly obvious what you say is, I do believe you're one of, like, three people here that gets it.

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He represents the average consumer.

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I don't think 61 year old men really qualify as "average consumers" of portable gaming systems. He's definitely an outlier.

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I don't think 61 year old men really qualify as "average consumers" of portable gaming systems. He's definitely an outlier.

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The age is a bit out of the demographic, but the interest still fits what PSP caters to.

But really, the DS was sold out last month. It will pick up next month with more shipments, and I'm fucking excited even though I already own one.

Of portable gaming systems, no. That's why I didn't add that qualifier to the sentence.

I have to admit, I'm kind of curious about how much gaming he'll end up doing. It's always interesting to see how someone new to the hobby (and outside its usual audience) comes into it, and if they stay around for a while or just drift away.

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But really, the DS was sold out last month. It will pick up next month with more shipments, and I'm fucking excited even though I already own one.

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That's sarcasm, right?

James

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Of portable gaming systems, no. That's why I didn't add that qualifier to the sentence.

I have to admit, I'm kind of curious about how much gaming he'll end up doing. It's always interesting to see how someone new to the hobby (and outside its usual audience) comes into it, and if they stay around for a while or just drift away.

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That's sarcasm, right?

James

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My old man isn't new to gaming though. He bought our family the Atari 2600 and we played many games of Warlords and such together. During the home computer craze he bought a trash-80 and a few games as well. He then moved onto PC games and bought the Genesis and SNES long after the kids had moved away from home.

I remember going back home and bringing my Playstation and Saturn along. I came back to the house after hanging with my cousins and brother and my old man was playing Last Gladiators on the Saturn. He loved the game.

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Actually, that would be Rockstar who did it

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Do you think you're clever or something? Seriously, why even post shit like this?

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and it's coming to PS2. Assuming you mean GTA, of course. I'm actually looking forward to playing that once it hits a console with a controller advanced enough to give me a controllable camera.

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I can play Super Mario 64 on my N64. I can play Mario Kart on a bajillion Nintendo systems. I can play Tetris for free. Who gives a shit? Similarly, who cares if LCS is coming to PS2 when I can play it now, in portable form, wherever I want?

As for the camera, suck it up and push L to center the view. Or hold L and manipulate the analog stick to manually control the camera. It works great.

I'm just walking away quietly until sleeve calms down. :p

The PSP is a great piece of hardware and is now getting some good software. I will definitely buy one at some point, when the price is lower.

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That's sarcasm, right?

James

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No, Bubbleninjas really loves his DS, I'M DED SERIOS!

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I love you, Sleeve.

Despite how seemingly obvious what you say is, I do believe you're one of, like, three people here that gets it.

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Get what? A retard could figure out that competition helps the portable industry. Doesn't change the fact that the PSP is putting up a shitty fight.

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the UMD format is .... low in movie selection

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Please don't post bullshit like this anymore. There are lots of great movies on UMD now. Don't blame them for your bad taste in cinema.

It is overpriced but I've seen plenty of sales here and there for them. I'd never buy them though.

That GC number is wrong. It sold over 600K.

That top ten list for 2005 is disgusting. Its all slightly upgraded sequels.

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Fixed.

The PSP movie selection is improving, but compare it to what's available on DVD and it's a complete loser. If you want to be happy with it feel free, but don't try to pretend it's better than it is.

Sleeveboy- I'm discussing, you're ranting. This kind of crap is why these forums are dying, so please quit it.

James

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Sleeveboy- I'm discussing, you're ranting. This kind of crap is why these forums are dying, so please quit it.

James

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Your words hurt me.

Ranting makes the web go 'round.

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The PSP movie selection is improving, but compare it to what's available on DVD and it's a complete loser. If you want to be happy with it feel free, but don't try to pretend it's better than it is.

James

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The PSP was never intended to replace your DVD player. Most of the UMD movies are only $15 and they'll get cheaper as they become more popular. I'm sure most will buy the movies they'll watch again and again, when they are away from home. What's so wrong with that?

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Your words hurt me.

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That reminds me, it's time for the bi-monthly Hardcore Gamer magazine bashing.

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The PSP was never intended to replace your DVD player. Most of the UMD movies are only $15 and they'll get cheaper as they become more popular. I'm sure most will buy the movies they'll watch again and again, when they are away from home. What's so wrong with that?

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Tell me about it. The PSP hasn't even been out for a year (right?)

Hey, anyone know if Hunt for Red October is on UMD yet?

Or for that matter, is there some kind of comprehensive list of UMD titles somewhere on the Interweb?

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Hey, anyone know if Hunt for Red October is on UMD yet?

Or for that matter, is there some kind of comprehensive list of UMD titles somewhere on the Interweb?

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It may not be every UMD movie available, but I'm pretty sure it'll cover 90% of them. ;)

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...23318%3A202110

I've noticed they have Total Recall and the Dark Crystal on there, so the odds are they'll have that as well. I believe I did see a UMD of it though.

Yeah, is there a site that reviews every UMD coming out?

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me for the win: http://www.pspmoviereviews.net/

it's not quite everything, but it's pretty much the only place in town that does.

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I can play Super Mario 64 on my N64. I can play Mario Kart on a bajillion Nintendo systems. I can play Tetris for free. Who gives a shit? Similarly, who cares if LCS is coming to PS2 when I can play it now, in portable form, wherever I want?

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Finally having Mario Kart online (portable and free no less) is far more fresh an experience than a GTA3 side-story with worse control IMHO, not to mention wildly original stuff like Kirby, Nintendogs, Trauma Center, etc. It's like either you're a GTA clone, a Fast and the Furious themed racer, a FPS, or an EA game if you're on a console and people are tired of the same old thing. DS offers fresh game experiences. I really think that's all there is to it's appeal, and it's why a large chunk of DS owners never really got into handheld gaming before now. Handheld gaming offered nothing you couldn't get a better version of on consoles before now.

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This has been the argument against Nintendo the whole time. Outside of AC and MK being online, it really is the same old thing. It just happens to be that Sony is being even less original and varied while costing a shitload more.

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No, most of them aren't. Really.

I just played Need for Speed on the Xbox 360. It was ok, not a bad way to spend an evening when I didn't want to think too hard. There's nothing wrong with the same old thing in moderation.

The world could use more Trauma Center/Electroplankton-style creativity, though.

James

James do you know what the deal is with that Black Edition of NFS? I've heard it's got extra cars in it, which systems is it available for? I played the regular editon on Xbox a while ago and had fun, I love that they brought back hot pursuit mode.

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QFE!

I was looking at Magic Box and the top 10 weekly sales numbers. The DS software sales over there are pretty crazy:

# Kahashima Ryuuta Kyouju Kanshuu: Motto Nouo Kitaeru Otona DS Training (NDS, Nintendo) - 141,307 [845,885] units
# Doubutsu no Mori DS [Animal Crossing: Wild World] (NDS, Nintendo) - 50,032 [1,565,251] units
# Kahashima Ryuuta Kyouju no Nouo Kitaeru Otona DS Training (NDS, Nintendo) - 49,774 [1,321,504] units
# Mario Kart DS (NDS, Nintendo) - 39,182 [990,369] units
# Mario & Luigi RPG 2 (NDS, Nintendo) - 29,639 [260,799] units
# Yawaraka AtamaJuku (NDS, Nintendo) - 25,780 [1,023,979] units
# Tamagotchi no PuchiPuchi Omisecchi (NDS, Bandai) - 24,550 [870,921] units

OK maybe not Mario & Luigi and three of those are those brain-training games, but 800k+ is not oridinary as far as I understand it (didn't only 5-6 games break 1m in Japan in 2005?) Wonder how much GTA:LCS has done so far in the U.S.

On the one hand- High Japan sales means more companies developing for the system, meaning more great stuff to either be brought over or imported.

On the other- 500,000 different Brain Training games. Wheee...?

I need to start getting up to speed with a few PSP imports. I'm guessing Sengoku Cannon isn't coming out over here if it hasn't shown up by now.

James

Next Generation has a good article on why the DS is selling so well in Japan, in case you guys are interested.

Is that Next Gen affiliated with the craptastic extinct mag?

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LOL! No thanks.

Tim Rogers writes the Japan section for Edge. When i found that out, i cried for 20 minutes.
Nothing against him or his 500 page reviews, he's just fun to hate.

Wait, is Mother 3 going to be on DS or GBA?

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Tim Rogers writes the Japan section for Edge. When i found that out, i cried for 20 minutes.
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FINALLY! Someone else agrees with me!

Passive. Fucking. Verbs.

That's all I'm saying.

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sadly the truth.

really, the same can be fun, im well aware wind waker really didnt do too much new, and it still was good, but some new with the tried and true makes for a better overall mix.

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Every review/set of impressions I read said it was garbage.

I'll sell you mine.

It's pretty much garbage, yeah.

Damn. So much for my hope that maybe Psikyo wasn't as deas as I thought it was.

James