Yoshi's 360 Wishlist

Having to buy three consoles each generation sucks. The 360 and PS3, like the Xbox and PS2 before them, target the exact same audience and cover most of the same genres. Since the 360 is on shelves (well, not literally), and the PS3 won't be for a while, I'd like to just go buy the damn thing. However, its lineup will be sorely lacking in some areas that the PS3 will have covered. These are the games that 360 needs to make the PS3 vaporware to me:

Castlevania (2D of course to prove that it's SCE causing this to not be made)
Contra (This could even be 3D to show what a piece of shit S&P really was)
Dino Crisis (Sequel to 2, not 3)
Gradius (I'd even go for a I-V plus Gaiden compilation here)
Grand Theft Auto: Hip Hop Free Version
MMORPG (Exclusive and with no fucking elves in it)
Panzer Dragoon
Ridge Racer (Holy shit they got one right!)
Sega Arcade Classics (A real one: Daytona, Rally, Virtua Cop, HotD, etc.)
Virtua Fighter (Fighters with depth, por favor)

I have no question that MS will get good western coverage, but they need these Japanese games, as well as GTA simultaneously or first to be a real player. MS's first and second party games are 95.34% useless, and Sony's are 92.73% useless. The battle will be won and lost on who gets what third party exclusives again. If the execs at these companies haven't figured that out, they deserve to driven out of the industry.

360 wishlist:
A completely original game that isn't an FPS or shitty platformer.

actually, that's my PS3 wishlist too.

Fight Night 3 will hold me over until Elder Scrolls and Gears of War (which very well may be brainless and terrible)

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Grand Theft Auto: Hip Hop Free Version

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I was thinking more along the lines of a Super Hip Hop version. With... with like, double driveby's and... and you can hide from the police by forming a huddle with your homies where you can play a freestyle rap minigame... but, but like, if your rhymes aren't fresh enough, then everyone makes fun of you and leaves and... and the cops get you.

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Originally Posted by rezo

I was thinking more along the lines of a Super Hip Hop version. With... with like, double driveby's and... and you can hide from the police by forming a huddle with your homies where you can play a freestyle rap minigame... but, but like, if your rhymes aren't fresh enough, then everyone makes fun of you and leaves and... and the cops get you.

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I'd play that version... as the cop.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Castlevania (2D of course to prove that it's SCE causing this to not be made)
Contra (This could even be 3D to show what a piece of shit S&P really was)
Dino Crisis (Sequel to 2, not 3)
Gradius (I'd even go for a I-V plus Gaiden compilation here)
Grand Theft Auto: Hip Hop Free Version
MMORPG (Exclusive and with no fucking elves in it)
Panzer Dragoon
Ridge Racer (Holy shit they got one right!)
Sega Arcade Classics (A real one: Daytona, Rally, Virtua Cop, HotD, etc.)
Virtua Fighter (Fighters with depth, por favor)

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I'd love to see a new 2D Castlevania, and Contra, as for Gradius it's super niche but would be nice. GTA well, we'll eventually get that it's not a Nintendo console. MMORPG without elves? I'd settle for anything that's not EQ or FFXI. Ridge Racer is a supermodel, sure it looks pretty good but the gameplay is shallow as fuck, it's just not fun. Panzer Dragoon, I can get behind this, but did Orta sell? As for the classics, throw it on a Panzer Dragoon, or Virtua Fighter as a bonus.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

I'd play that version... as the cop.

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Yoshi wants to administer Rodney King Beatdowns.

In the new EGM rumors section it says theres going to be a LOTR MMO for the PS3 and ZBOZ, LOL ELVES

NSHDC

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Originally Posted by dave is ok

In the new EGM rumors section it says theres going to be a LOTR MMO for the PS3 and ZBOZ, LOL ELVES

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Yeah, fuck LotR. If I have to live with elves, I'd going with DDO.

DDO?

I want TFLO.

OH, D&DO.

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Originally Posted by Chux

DDO?

I want TFLO.

OH, D&DO.

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Yeah, for whatever reason it's going by DDO and leaving the & out, even on the official site.

Fair enough. They made the game I guess they can call it what they want.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Dino Crisis (Sequel to 2, not 3)

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Amen.

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Virtua Fighter (Fighters with depth, por favor)

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I'd rather play DoA, but then again, I like shallow fighters.

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Originally Posted by Chux

DDO?

I want TFLO.

OH, D&DO.

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IBTNLOLBTWWTFIAWTPFHUTA

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

I'd rather play DoA, but then again, I like shallow fighters.

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This is why I respect DoA players over VF players. They don't pretend to be eleitists.

True Fantasy Live Online please.

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Originally Posted by rezo

I was thinking more along the lines of a Super Hip Hop version. With... with like, double driveby's and... and you can hide from the police by forming a huddle with your homies where you can play a freestyle rap minigame... but, but like, if your rhymes aren't fresh enough, then everyone makes fun of you and leaves and... and the cops get you.

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Here's the great part. The playable characters are Seung Kim or Nathan "Jammy Fresh" McCallister. If you achieve "You Rappin Cool!" the visuals go Parappa and the police join in and the cars start break-dancing.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Sony's are 92.73% useless.

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I disagree with this. Ico, Shadow of Colossus, Ratchet & Clank, The Jak platformers, Parappa, Umjammer, Vib Ribbon, Gran Turismo, Omega Boost, Frequency, Eye Toy, etc. They're all pretty good games, and they've got a bunch of other first party stuff that was good too. Even if you don't like certain things (like Eye Toy, which is admittedly kinda niche) that lineup still demolishes Microsofts stuff.

Microsoft:

Azurik, Kakuto Chojin, Tao Feng, Nightcaster, Grabbed by the Ghoulies, Amped, NFL Fever, MLB Inside Pitch, NBA Whatever It Was Called, Whacked, Brute Force, Counter Strike, Fuzion Frenzy, Midtown Madness 3, etc.

I like SOME of their first party stuff (Halo, PGR3, Crimson Skies, Mechassault, Fable, KUF, Jade Empire) but for the most part it's rubbish.


To say the two companies first party efforts are only like 3 percent different in uselessness is not really fair.

Yoshi's list is good aside from the fact that I can't imagine anyone other than diffusionx calling Sin & Punishment shitty.

S&P isn't even in the same genre as Contra. It doesn't make any sense.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

I can't imagine anyone other than diffusionx calling Sin & Punishment shitty.

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Its part of his charm.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

Yoshi's list is good aside from the fact that I can't imagine anyone other than diffusionx calling Sin & Punishment shitty.

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I think Sl1p trashed it as well in that 1up article (can't access site from work for some strange reason) where he puts down Shadow of the Colossus.

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Originally Posted by Valgar

S&P isn't even in the same genre as Contra. It doesn't make any sense.

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Which out of S&P is not a pure action game? If you're calling Contra a platformer, log out and never come back.

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Originally Posted by Korly

I disagree with this. Ico, Shadow of Colossus, Ratchet & Clank, The Jak platformers, Parappa, Umjammer, Vib Ribbon, Gran Turismo, Omega Boost, Frequency, Eye Toy, etc. They're all pretty good games, and they've got a bunch of other first party stuff that was good too. Even if you don't like certain things (like Eye Toy, which is admittedly kinda niche) that lineup still demolishes Microsofts stuff.

Microsoft:

Azurik, Kakuto Chojin, Tao Feng, Nightcaster, Grabbed by the Ghoulies, Amped, NFL Fever, MLB Inside Pitch, NBA Whatever It Was Called, Whacked, Brute Force, Counter Strike, Fuzion Frenzy, Midtown Madness 3, etc.

I like SOME of their first party stuff (Halo, PGR3, Crimson Skies, Mechassault, Fable, KUF, Jade Empire) but for the most part it's rubbish.


To say the two companies first party efforts are only like 3 percent different in uselessness is not really fair.

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You didn't name a single game in either list that would sell me a system, and you left out the best game either company has made, which is God of War. You lose.

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Originally Posted by Cowdisease

I think Sl1p trashed it as well in that 1up article (can't access site from work for some strange reason) where he puts down Shadow of the Colossus.

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See, even Sl1p can be right once in a while.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Which out of S&P is not a pure action game? If you're calling Contra a platformer, log out and never come back.


You didn't name a single game in either list that would sell me a system, and you left out the best game either company has made, which is God of War. You lose.

See, even Sl1p can be right once in a while.

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Korly got served, and I can't argue with Yoshi, while I like the games Korly mentioned, none of them would sell me a system, AND God of War was the shit.

As for Sl1p. Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.

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Originally Posted by Zerodash

This is why I respect DoA players over VF players. They don't pretend to be eleitists.

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Oh I am sure there's a small margin of DOA4 elitists out there too...

ITAGAKI NUMBAH VUN! VIRTUA FIGHTER, HOCK POOEY!

Vib Ribbon would make so much sense on the 360, considering you can play any music you want straight off the HDD/MP3 player. Oh, how I'd love to get a new Vib Ribbon with flashy nifty graphics... Geometry Wars graphics. Mmm, that's toasty.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Virtua Fighter (Fighters with depth, por favor)

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What is this supposed to mean again? I'd honestly like to know how someone can intelligently assert VF is the only fighter with any depth.

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Originally Posted by FuryFox

What is this supposed to mean again? I'd honestly like to know how someone can intelligently assert VF is the only fighter with any depth.

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It's not. It's just the fighter that almost requires lifelong dedication to master.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

I have no question that MS will get good western coverage, but they need these Japanese games, as well as GTA simultaneously or first to be a real player.

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considering the 360 got owned this winter by the Gamecube I just can't imagine it getting huge Support from japanese companies, I mean shit the 360's launch numbers in Japan make the original Xbox's look damn good

Hey John, your inbox is full.

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Originally Posted by Zerodash

This is why I respect DoA players over VF players. They don't pretend to be eleitists.

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I just can't be bothered taking forever learing the ins and outs of some stupidly-complex fighting game. I like my fighters pick-up and play, with maybe an added layer of depth that you can learn up over time.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Which out of S&P is not a pure action game? If you're calling Contra a platformer, log out and never come back.

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S&P is a rail-shooter, and the best one ever made at that.

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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

considering the 360 got owned this winter by the Gamecube I just can't imagine it getting huge Support from japanese companies, I mean shit the 360's launch numbers in Japan make the original Xbox's look damn good

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Yeah, tell me about it... all those 360's just sitting on store shelves, gathering dust... just pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

Hey John, your inbox is full.

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lame ass 45 message limit that counts your sent messages towards that number

it's not full any more

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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

lame ass 45 message limit that counts your sent messages towards that number

it's not full any more

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Yeah, I hear ya. That's why I always clear out my sent folder.

for me, id like a continuation of what ms already did with the x-box, 4 great western rpgs (kotor 1 and 2, fable and jade empire, you can add morrowind but i consider that a pc game that happened to be ported later on the box too) thats my genre and thats what i want to see more of. Do a good job with mass effect and too human, maybe a fable 2 or jade empire2(not announced yet, sadly). thats what will put a 360 in my house by the revolution. and ninja gaiden 2, its been announced they are working on it, so if lightning strikes twice, ill be there. but yeah for me, i dont care about racers, dont care about first person shooters, dont give a fuck out of urban crime simulator x, give me good western rpgs and ill buy.

The House of the Dead 4
Virtua Fighter 5
After Burner
Taito Memories 360 (With at least Warrior Blade, Darius I/II, and Ninja Warriors added. These multi-monitor games wouldn't look bad in a HD display. In the higher res modes, add an "Aperture Grill" display option.)
Tempest 4000 (wouldn't be too surprising considering Jeff Minter did the Neon lightsynth for the 360's music player)
Power Drift 2
Battle Gear 4
Rez 2
XIII 2
The mystery shooter by Treasure

My list from before wasn't meant to be definitive, it was just one I pulled out of my head to compare the first party efforts of the 2 companies, and it wasn't meant to list "system sellers" it was just a list of games. God of War is totally awesome, and I don't know why it slipped my mind. Therefore, here is a total list of Sony first party games that I thought were pretty good.

Raiden Project
http://www.emunova.net/img/tests/68.jpg

Jumping Flash
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...mpingFlash.jpg

Mortal Kombat 3
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...mes/ig/622.jpg

Aquanauts Holiday (I used to put this in the PSX at Funcoland to get kids to stop playing)
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb.../47/600447.jpg

Twisted Metal
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Warhawk
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...SX-Warhawk.jpg

Jumping Flash 2
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...ng-Flash-2.jpg

Motor Toon Grand Prix
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...eens/mtgp4.jpg

King of Fighters 95
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...6/20776694.JPG

Crash Bandicoot
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...719490029F.JPG

Twisted Metal 2
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...etal%25202.jpg

2 Extreme
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...layStation.jpg

Tobal Number 1
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1376/tobal1a.jpg

Samurai Shodown III
http://www.planet-playstation.de/ima...hodown3/02.png

Intelligent Cube
http://www.findmeagame.com/images/5/643055.jpg

Tail of the Sun
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb.../78/602578.jpg

Wild Arms
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb.../wild_arms.jpg

NFL Gameday '98
http://www.juegomania.org/emuladores/psone/1/1061_t.jpg

Final Fantasy VII
http://www.basilsoft.net/img/img_190...ff7/ff7-41.jpg

Bushido Blade
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...s2/bushido.jpg

Cool Boarders 2
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...1.MZZZZZZZ.jpg

Parappa the Rapper
http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/p...ed/parappa.jpg

Bloody Roar
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen005.jpg

Jet Moto 2
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen001.jpg

Crash Bandicoot 2
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen003.jpg

Final Fantasy Tactics
http://img48.echo.cx/img48/6236/fftcloud9fy.jpg

Legend of Legaia
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen004.jpg

Blasto (c'mon, give it points for Phil Hartman)
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...Blasto_Pal.jpg

Einhander

Hot shots Golf

Gran Turismo

Turbo Prop Racing

Tomba

Spyro

Medievil

Crash 3

Syphon Filter

UmJammer Lammy

Ape Escape

Tarzan

Omega Boost

Tiny Tank

CTR

Grandia

Gran Turismo 2

Tomba 2

Hot Shots Golf 2

IQ Remix

Dark Cloud

Gran Turismo 3

ICO

Frequency

Jak and Daxter

Hot Shots Golf 3

Mark of Kri

Sly Cooper

Ratchet & Clank

War of The Monsters

Dark Cloud 2

Amplitude

Primal

Downhill Domination

Jak II

Eye Toy: Play

Ratchet & Clank 2

Gran Turismo 4

Hot SHots Golf Fore

Sly 2

Eye Toy: Antigrav

Wipeout Pure

God of War

Hot Shots Golf Open Tee

Eye Toy: Play 2

Eye Toy: Kinetic

Shadow of the Colossus

Philosoma


I chose that list by listing games that I cared about when they came out. So, even though Ratchet and Clank 3 might be the best one, I didn't care about it when it came out.

Here's the list of stuff I've cared about from Microsoft First Party:

Oddworld: Munchs Oddysee

Halo

Dead or Alive 3

Links

Blinx

Maximum Chase (it was... interesting)

Whacked

Shenmue II

Mech Assault

Kung Fu Chaos

Wild Rings

PSO I&II

Voodoo Vince

Crimson Skies

Top Spin

PGR2

Rallisport 2

Fable

Kingdom Under Fire

Outrun 2

Halo 2

Mechassault 2

Jade Empire

Forza

Conker

PGR 3

Perfect Dark Zero

Geometry Wars Evolved


And just because it's on my list, doesn't necessarily mean it's good (Maximum Chase, Whacked, Bloody Roar) it just means it's something I cared about enough to play, and in most cases, buy.

Notice how much cooler SCEA was during the PSOne days?


And seriously, how can you compare Microsoft first party to Sony first party?

Wow that's a really long and boring list.

I like Metal Gear.

METAL GEAR!? How...HOW CAN THAT BE!?

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What is this supposed to mean again? I'd honestly like to know how someone can intelligently assert VF is the only fighter with any depth.

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Dead or Alive isn't as anally complex a fighter and Tekken . . . well, Tekken is crap.

My games:

Football Legends 2K7
I love ESPN NFL 2K5 dearly, but Visual Concepts needs to continue perfecting its football goodness with an unlicensed game that allows for edits to recreate the NFL, and improves on 2K5 in every area (franchise and the overly-done free agency/trades really need work).

Final Fantasy VII: Next Gen
I want to play this game, but the matter of PSX graphics is akin to a moat preventing access. Advent Children-level graphics, touches up on the game where needed, and off we go to Midgar.

Jet Set Radio Future 2
Yes, please. With Live online multi co-op as a (clan?) tag gang or the authorities using excessive force on a bunch of punks, etcetera.

Way to pick out some real games, slugger.

GAME PARADOX!

MGS4 PLS!

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MGS4 PLS!

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http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...id=18331&stc=1

Hay did somebody say MGS?

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Originally Posted by Korly

Therefore, here is a total list of Sony first party games that I thought were pretty good.

Raiden Project
http://www.emunova.net/img/tests/68.jpg

Jumping Flash
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...mpingFlash.jpg

Mortal Kombat 3
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...mes/ig/622.jpg

Aquanauts Holiday (I used to put this in the PSX at Funcoland to get kids to stop playing)
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb.../47/600447.jpg

Twisted Metal
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Warhawk
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...SX-Warhawk.jpg

Jumping Flash 2
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...ng-Flash-2.jpg

Motor Toon Grand Prix
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...eens/mtgp4.jpg

King of Fighters 95
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...6/20776694.JPG

Crash Bandicoot
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...719490029F.JPG

Twisted Metal 2
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...etal%25202.jpg

2 Extreme
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...layStation.jpg

Tobal Number 1
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1376/tobal1a.jpg

Samurai Shodown III
http://www.planet-playstation.de/ima...hodown3/02.png

Intelligent Cube
http://www.findmeagame.com/images/5/643055.jpg

Tail of the Sun
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb.../78/602578.jpg

Wild Arms
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb.../wild_arms.jpg

NFL Gameday '98
http://www.juegomania.org/emuladores/psone/1/1061_t.jpg

Final Fantasy VII
http://www.basilsoft.net/img/img_190...ff7/ff7-41.jpg

Bushido Blade
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...s2/bushido.jpg

Cool Boarders 2
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...1.MZZZZZZZ.jpg

Parappa the Rapper
http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/p...ed/parappa.jpg

Bloody Roar
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen005.jpg

Jet Moto 2
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen001.jpg

Crash Bandicoot 2
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen003.jpg

Final Fantasy Tactics
http://img48.echo.cx/img48/6236/fftcloud9fy.jpg

Legend of Legaia
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen004.jpg

Blasto (c'mon, give it points for Phil Hartman)
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...Blasto_Pal.jpg

Einhander

Hot shots Golf

Gran Turismo

Turbo Prop Racing

Tomba

Spyro

Medievil

Crash 3

Syphon Filter

UmJammer Lammy

Ape Escape

Tarzan

Omega Boost

Tiny Tank

CTR

Grandia

Gran Turismo 2

Tomba 2

Hot Shots Golf 2

IQ Remix

Dark Cloud

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the majority of the games you've listed here arent SOny first party titles

King of Fighters, Samurai Shodown, Any of the Square stuff (Bushido Blade, FFVII, FFT, Einhander), Crash, Spyro, and tons of other games on your list of good sony first party games AREN'T Sony first party games

You didn't have to quote him though.

Yeah, seriously. You're a real douche for doing that.

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the majority of the games you've listed here arent SOny first party titles

King of Fighters, Samurai Shodown, Any of the Square stuff (Bushido Blade, FFVII, FFT, Einhander), Crash, Spyro, and tons of other games on your list of good sony first party games AREN'T Sony first party games

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Yeah, I'm talking about stuff PUBLISHED by Sony. Not developed. And the Square stuff was definitely first-party. They didn't start publishing their own stuff until around the time of Xenogears (and even then, it was with the help of EA). You're completely retarded if you're trying to tell me that Crash isn't first party. Crash was the freakin' PSX mascot (or at least it's as close to a mascot as they ever got). Crash was developed by Naughty Dog until the PS2 days when they sold the rights to Universal. Spyro was the same deal, but they were originally developed by Insomniac.

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Yeah, seriously. You're a real douche for doing that.

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Truth.

I loved seeing Crash games on non-Sony systems, it made the Nintendo-bashing ads and Sony-based hype seem even more pointless.

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Yeah, I'm talking about stuff PUBLISHED by Sony. Not developed. And the Square stuff was definitely first-party. They didn't start publishing their own stuff until around the time of Xenogears (and even then, it was with the help of EA). You're completely retarded if you're trying to tell me that Crash isn't first party. Crash was the freakin' PSX mascot (or at least it's as close to a mascot as they ever got). Crash was developed by Naughty Dog until the PS2 days when they sold the rights to Universal. Spyro was the same deal, but they were originally developed by Insomniac.



Truth.

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No way in hell is Square considered First Party obviously your definition of first party is completely different from the rest of the worlds, just because sony published it here in the states doesn't make it a first party, if that was the case then you would have to consider every square game on the GBA and GC first party, then you would have to consider Soul Calibur II on the GC first party, and tons of other GBA and GC games that Nintendo published here in the states, and Naughty Dog wasn't owned by Sony back then, it may have been considered the PSX's mascot but I still dont consider it first party cause it was created by a company NOT Owned by Sony

there's a difference between First Party Stuff and something published by sony, a huge freaking difference, Nintendo publishes alot of 3rd party games here in the states that doesn't make them first party games

first party refers to games developed INTERNALLY by a company or by one of the companys they own

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Yeah, seriously. You're a real douche for doing that.

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good

First party games are the ones that are published by the company that makes the system.

Wario World for the GC was a first party game. Was it developed by Nintendo? No. It was developed by Treasure. Does Nintendo own Treasure? No.

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No way in hell is Square considered First Party

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No shit. Square is a developer, not a game. Final Fantasy VII was first party.

A first party title has to be produced (produced not = published) and or developed by the hardware developer. Shin's right.

Great. Now that that is established, who is going to go through the list and find out what role Sony had in each game?

Nobody, I would bet.

I hate this topic. It's stupid.


THERE! SOMEONE ELSE WILL HAVE TO SCROLL THROUGH THAT SHIT NOW TO SEE THAT I DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING.

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THERE! SOMEONE ELSE WILL HAVE TO SCROLL THROUGH THAT SHIT NOW TO SEE THAT I DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING.

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O RLY?

DAMN IT!

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O RLY?

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http://sokar.cwru.edu/images/yarly.jpg

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First party games are the ones that are published by the company that makes the system.

Wario World for the GC was a first party game. Was it developed by Nintendo? No. It was developed by Treasure. Does Nintendo own Treasure? No.

No shit. Square is a developer, not a game. Final Fantasy VII was first party.

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first party is a term used for a developer

you are wrong

get over it and get the sand out of your vagina

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Great. Now that that is established, who is going to go through the list and find out what role Sony had in each game?

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They didn't have shit to do with most of the good ones. Sly Cooper, Jak & Daxter, and God of War is not exactly Mario, Zelda, and Metroid.

Need for Speed: Most Wanted 2
More of the game and so on. But it should have a Live mode where you have two players being chased by eight "police players," or of similar numbers. Communication between the two chased players, having a friend set up a trap to help the other, as well as communication between the figurative authorities would be wonderful. Also, having the option of one "police player" to pilot a helicopter would be fantastic, to give an overhead view and directions to his or her friends, as well as possibly lay a unique trap; of course, this would work best with actual day & night, and weather changes.

And if possible, perhaps increase the numbers of players, proportionally as above, should the map size increase. Have rival three-man groups compete to see who can stay on the run the longest against the mass of authorities.

That is all.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

They didn't have shit to do with most of the good ones. Sly Cooper, Jak & Daxter, and God of War is not exactly Mario, Zelda, and Metroid.

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For my money I'd rather have God of War than Metroid or Zelda, but I'm sure I'm in the minority.

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Originally Posted by Master

For my money I'd rather have God of War than Metroid or Zelda, but I'm sure I'm in the minority.

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I like God of War but I dont think its that amazing. I honestly think its overrated.
RE4 kicked its ass and should easily beat it for GOTY. On the other hand people probably think RE4 is overrated.

Better than Zelda? probably not. Better than Prime? nah. Better than Metroid Echoes? sure.

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For my money I'd rather have God of War than Metroid or Zelda, but I'm sure I'm in the minority.

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Yeah, but you think Rare has made a good game this millennium too.

And there's no excuse for that.

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Originally Posted by SamuraiMoogle

I like God of War but I dont think its that amazing. I honestly think its overrated.
RE4 kicked its ass and should easily beat it for GOTY. On the other hand people probably think RE4 is overrated.

Better than Zelda? probably not. Better than Prime? nah. Better than Metroid Echoes? sure.

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It doesnt matter if RE4 kicked its ass, 2005 GOTY is Battlefield 2, with the close (very close) runner-up being Civilization IV. Third place is World of Warcraft, even if it did come out in 2004. Everything else is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by SamuraiMoogle

I like God of War but I dont think its that amazing. I honestly think its overrated.
RE4 kicked its ass and should easily beat it for GOTY. On the other hand people probably think RE4 is overrated.

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I agree. I thought DMC3 was far superior to GoW. For console games, it's hard to argue against RE4 for GOTY.