LOL.
It's not a huge sample though. I wonder how many schools they surveyed.
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LOL.
It's not a huge sample though. I wonder how many schools they surveyed.
That's fucking pathetic.
Highschool graduates should have those skills, so there's no excuse for college grads not to.
I could've told you this just by observing dipshits on campus.
I got a free ride to college after failing over 5 classes in high school due to not showing up. I'm sure pretty much half of the people in college are getting there on awesome scholarships for failing high school classes but doing well on their SATs because the SAT is basic math and writing I learned in middle school.
but... but.. but the college kids drive cars and tell me america sucks and communisim is close to godliness.
how can they be dumb?
Not only are they dumb, they're smarter than most other people.
That's the fun part.
College is overrated.
This is really the key to the whole situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by rezo
This became true somewhere after May of 1998. :D
IBTN. But I'm having fun with my Credit Union job, and they'll pay for my college, so whatever.
Lets remember that TNL has a lot of college students, and a huge chunk of those people are art majors. This could explain a lot.
The average american is bad at math? Well no shit. Tell me something I don't know.
EDIT: oh, and btw, Harvard kids are stupid as shit too. They did a survey there and the faculty and 21 out 29 grads did not know why we had seasons or why the sky was blue.
lols.Quote:
They did a survey there and none of the faculty and 21 out 29 grads didn't know why we had seasons or why the sky was blue.
lols, yes, mes not good with english. omgwtfohnozes hahahahaha
jackass
Yeah. Thats how I got into college.Quote:
Originally Posted by omfgninjas in iraq
Aren't you going to school for an english major?Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Yep. Pretty scary.Quote:
Originally Posted by rezo
Most people don't know why the sky is blue, and it isn't a reflection of the ocean that most people think it is:
WHY IS THE SKY BLUE?
The blue color of the sky is due to Rayleigh scattering. As light moves through the atmosphere, most of the longer wavelengths pass straight through. Little of the red, orange and yellow light is affected by the air.
However, much of the shorter wavelength light is absorbed by the gas molecules. The absorbed blue light is then radiated in different directions. It gets scattered all around the sky. Whichever direction you look, some of this scattered blue light reaches you. Since you see the blue light from everywhere overhead, the sky looks blue.
http://www.sciencemadesimple.net/img_sky/bluesky.gif
As you look closer to the horizon, the sky appears much paler in color. To reach you, the scattered blue light must pass through more air. Some of it gets scattered away again in other directions. Less blue light reaches your eyes. The color of the sky near the horizon appears paler or white.
http://www.sciencemadesimple.net/img_sky/horiz.gif
If you don't know why there are seasons, however, there is something wrong with you.
So... the Government isnt paying for your college? I thought you were in the marines or some shit?Quote:
Originally Posted by omfgninjas in iraq
I wonder how many open-enrollment freshman were included in the survey. We have some schools around here (Toledo, namely) that are open-enollement and accept absolutely anyone that has a high school diploma and the ability to pay. One girl from my Econ class took four years to pass her 8/9th grade math proficiency test and got 'accepted' there. We were all shocked to find out she qualified for early graduation.
No, engineering. My teachers think I’m a really good writer and are surprised that I have such an aptitude for it, considering science and tech students are usually not very good at writing or literature. I’d kind of agree with them because so far I’ve been able to easily get at least a B in those courses. The key for me is to give myself enough time to do the assignment AND get multiple people to proof read it before I turn it in, including the teacher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpol
So, no I'm not one, but I could easily do the class work to be one.
It shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
I'll be sure to let microsoft word know you are unhappy with it.
I also hear that all the girls check you out, but you're too arrogant to notice...
...or at least that's what Mom says
lol, hey its fuck with IronPlant because he reacts day.
Anyone want to get anything else in?
Hair?
Being from the south?
I once had a beard everyone didn't like?
Plenty to choose from folks.
You from the south massa?
He wants to rebuild the chocolate town.
Exactly. I love it when college kids bat around the word "enlightened" and how they, at 18-21 years old have all the answers. Then they go off and party, drink, do drugs, screw, and work their part-time job in the true fashion of an elite member of society.Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
No, that's me, Tragic and I think Mman. Probably more, but those are the three that I know of off the bat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpol
As for college students being stupid. Yeah, they really are. I'm not even sure why some are here as a large chunk of them avoid work or studying at all costs, I even find myself doing it sometimes. But I will be quick to say that I'm not the perfect collegiate schollar, but some folks in school are just downright retarded. When I first started school I thought I would be around people smarter or at least as smart as myself, it really bothers me that it doesn't really seem to be the case.
And in conclusion, I'm pretty shitty at math, but at least I can comprehend a goddamn news story.
You can pick these kids out really quickly at my school since we have this thing called "orange band" where members are supposed to tie a piece of orange cloth to their backpack to represent a subject they feel deeply for and are open to discuss with others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
The pretentious kids have those.
what's even worse is the bitter people that never went to college that constantly rub things like this in their faces. i went to college but don't have a job in my field necessarily. i don't act high and mighty (why would i.....i put myself thru school and have a shit ton of loans) yet there's not a shortage of people that never went to college that like to point out the fact that i "wasted my time and money and look what im doing with it".Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
it works both ways.
What more should there be to life?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
Me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
Alot of colleges are just really expensive daycare centers, but not even because the colleges suck (though I'm sure alot of them do), but because the experience is what you make of it.
It's funny to think that alot of these kids are paying a ton of money for their degree but in reality might wind up with jobs that don't even need it.
A degree often times separates you from the people that don't have one at all.
*raises fist*Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
I don't know what american colleges are like, but in canada, colleges can only grant diplomas, which are basically just receipts.
The best thing you can get out of college is a work term or some type of industry certification.
A child, or perhaps a very well trained ape could get a diploma in most programs.
Universities, on the other hand, are accredited to grant degrees, and there really are no easy degrees. Sure, you don't need to be a genius to get a BFA or something like that, but you have to do a shitload of work and have a very high level of literacy and critical thinking skills.
Does he have a Golden Ticket? :icepick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chux
Of course, but with the job market how it is now, alot of these dumb kids will just get weeded out, and then what will they be doing? Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
I also just wasn't referring to the piece of paper you get at the end, in that you paid all this money to go to school and learn all this stuff, but in the end you may never really use it. I understand that when it comes down to it college is really about learning how to learn, but alot of these kids are apparently missing that message as well.
You don't say?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
Goddamnit, I knew that was going to happen
Good job English dude.
This is what I get for not paying attention.
I know how you feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
Shut up, stupid.
Is this just an over all opinion or are you talking about someone on TNL? Because despite how the board rips into each other, imo the active members here are pretty adapt at reading. Most stupidity seems to come from laziness, drugs, generic assholeness, or is just an honest mistake. Very few people here are "really" stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
If anything, some TNL members read to well. Its almost like they read deeply into things looking for an instance to be controversial or annoying.
BTW, to add to your list, I think station is an English major and I'm pretty sure flux=rad is in the middle of getting something like a masters or phd.
Hey, at least I can do the basics of my own major, dumbass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
It was mentioned in the story, so what even gave you that idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
That's bad reading comprehension.
I was referring to the part of the news article that saysQuote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Quote:
They cannot interpret a table about exercise and blood pressure, understand the arguments of newspaper editorials, compare credit card offers with different interest rates and annual fees or summarize results of a survey about parental involvement in school.
LOL CHESTHAIR OMGQuote:
Hey, at least I can do the basics of my own major, dumbass.
We should send his teachers that post so they can take back that whole "I can't believe how good you are at English" compliment.
Wow. That was a pretty funny article, but mostly because it was not very useful and it did not give any concrete information to support the idea that college graduates are in fact dumb. After reading the article, it looks like, if the article was trying to prove that college graduates are not smart then it fails miserably at supporting that argument.
First off, I have to agree that most college graduates are not smart just because they have a BA or BS that says they are. I received my BA in English Literature last winter, and since I have started teaching English there are moments where I feel like I know nothing, and I feel like I found my degree in a cracker jack box. Thus, I am sure there are other people with college degrees who do not know as much about their subject as they should.
However, I can not really agree with this articles attack on the intelligence of college students due to the randomness of the survey/experiment/tests:
- OK, so college students can not read a blood pressure chart. I know I do not look at a blood pressure chart every day, and I am fairly certain I would not know how to read one right away.
-OK, so college students do not comprehend credit card offers. SURE, I get 20 credit card offers a week in the mail. I look at them for two seconds, think about what a bunch of BS they are and throw them right in the garbage.
-OK, so college students can not calculate tips when they go out to eat. Blame that on elementary school education in America that does a poor job of teaching our kids fractions, decimals, and percentages. Then the next time you go out to eat you will know why the average american can not calculate a percentage off the tops of our heads. Its a basic fact that most Americans are horrible at math anyways.
Basically, I found this article to be insulting to the intelligence of many of the people who read it. I am sure most college graduates are not smart just because they have a degree. However, their must be a better method of proving this hypothesis than selecting random and supposely "every day" items and throwing them in a college student's face to figure out. If they are using the results of this study to draw any conclusions about the intelligence of college graduates, then their conclusions are nothing more than hasty generalizations.
If you can't figure any of those three things out within seconds, you are stupid. Just because you DON'T do certain things every day doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to if you are confronted with them. As for the third one (tips), you just take 10% than half of that again. Not knowing how to do that is just plain sad.
Of course, that doesn't necessarily speak to intelligence, but I would expect intelligent people to be able to do that with ease.
Dude, fuck your numbers.
Yes, very true. That is a good point. Thinking about this article again, I think you should be able to figure some of these things out in seconds. I'm just not sure about the blood pressure chart. If I had a chart, and it told me what the blood pressure should be, and it labeled the abbreviations then I assume that I would be able to read the chart and figure it out myself. However, if I did not know what number on my blood pressure should be higher or lower I would be lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
However, I do wonder about the part where the article states, "the students could not estimate if their car had enough gas to get to the service station". Is this saying that the students do not have the skills to figure out an equation that will tell them how many miles their car can get to a gallon? Or is this statement indicating that students can not read a meter on their car that says it has a half or quarter of a tank of gas. If its saying that they can not read a gas meter, then YES, college students may be border line mentally challenged.
On a side note, the third thing about the tips is kind of funny. My reading comprehension skills must have gone down the drain or something. I read the article again and did not see any thing about tips. So, maybe I made that one up or my eyes get tired after reading on the internet. However, I do know for a fact that my brother would never be able to calculate ten percent of any number :)
Im and English major and I think Melf is a profesor of English in PR.
People in college are just like people everywhere else. Some are exceptional, and some are exceptionally dumb. There is no easy way to make generalizations about somebody who is in college or who has a degree, because like people have said, it is what you make out of the situation. College can be an amazing experience both academically and not, but its up to the individual.
I agree. Most people in college are pretty damn dumb, including yours truly.
By "take 10%" he means move the decimal point (peroid) over to the LEFT once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Just thought I'd clear that up for the college grads.
In elementary school my parents used to tell me how much the total was when we went out to dinner, then I'd figure out the tip. It was awesome. But I actually like learning and shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Which explains why I did so well in school and graduated college.
That last sentence contains two lies.
I'm not quite sure how you're proving them wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
The average college student at a public university is dumb as shit. I kept a list of fucked up sentences from papers students have turned in to me, but I lost it not too long ago. Here is all that remains:
"Poverty can be very fortunate than being rich with gold."
"This lesson has, through common sense, been identified though a form pure experience."
"Poverty was dwelled upon as not acceptable but honest."
"[...] Beowulf is fully and primarily a Christian poem because most of the passages within the poem support the suggestions of there being references made in the poem that can be found in the Old and New Testaments [...]"
All this shit was actually turned into me. And these aren't in-class essays or anything. They had weeks to work on these things. The saddest thing is that some of these papers made A's and B's.
More people are going to college than ever, and standards are dropping fast, even at the really selective private colleges.
EDIT: I didn't edit this. Scourge is faking quotes.
Academia employees posting on TNL are the people you least suspect.
Oh, it's "kind of" disturbing? That these "folks" can't do "those things"?Quote:
"It is kind of disturbing that a lot of folks are graduating with a degree and they're not going to be able to do those things," said Stephane Baldi, the study's director at the American Institutes for Research, a behavioral and social science research organization.
It looks like someone doesn't have a college education.
Someone explain this article to me.
...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler_Durden
You're an idiot.
So they were able to make the papers become you? Weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by flux=rad
I'm fairly drunk at the moment, so my post will be scrutinized as well.
One of my tech school professors stated that, even though you have a degree, it doesn't necessarily make you smart. Intelleligence should not be measured by one's degrees, but how they go about using them and it is just a basis for one's ability to learn skills presented to them.
I've encountered the situation first hand. I wasn't necessarily the best student in my class, but when a company came to my school and tested students for an interview, I was one of the seven to pass the tests. There were about 60 students that took the tests, but most failed because they didn't actually learn what they were taught. It's more about using what you have learned, and applying it to the situations presented to you. You would think that a business major would understand what they were taught, but most don't seem to comprehend it in real world situations.
Ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scourge
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Whoa, whoa. That's the most inane sentence I've ever read.Quote:
Originally Posted by flux=rad
If any of those sentences were in my Southern Literature professor's paper she would probably murder the kid. Then again, 5 errors in her paper = automatic C. Teachers doing shit like that improve the quality of writing with a quickness.
OWNED.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scourge
Oy, that one hurt...but it's not the most inane sentence I've ever read. You ever do peer editing or work in the english center? It's a goddamn nightmare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
For serious. I'll end up reading a peer's paper and responding:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
"Well, your introduction lacks a thesis, your first body paragraph, while lengthy, is comprised of one sentence, and you don't have a conclusion at all."
Only to get the response:
"Oh shit dude... how do I fix that?"
How do these people even graduate high school?
I just finished writing a letter of recommendation for one of my employees to go to college (application phase). This girl is dumb as shit and is applying to Rutgers. The sad thing is she will probably be accepted.
I graduated from RU, and my entire 5 years as a student and 3 years as an RU employee was nothing but a parade of stupid people pretending to be smart.
Yeah, but, is she hot...?
If yes tell her: Quad II, House 22, Room 2232. Ask for Rich, not Scott.
And this is why I get told I write well. As bad as I am, I never turn in anything that bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by flux=rad
I'm so coming to murder you now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tragic
lolseeyousoonkthxbye.
You should get Scott too while you're there.
Double homicide ftw.
Lets just murder everyone who posts on TNL.
Then we can make threads about how boring it is.
It is an undisputable fact that intelligence is directly linked to the quality of your spelling and grammar on TNL.
FACT.
The quads are like the goatse of college dorms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tragic
ibtn. The "Quadjects" as they're called by those who actually live in them.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Please bring milk. I'm all out and need some for coffee come Monday morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhydant
This one is pure gold.Quote:
Originally Posted by flux=rad
Fully and primarily? What? This sentence screams of someone sprinting towards that word minimum, and making absolutely no sense in the process. This is classic dumbass college kid material. I'd say at least half of the papers that I proofread for people had zingers like the ones you posted, or at least had overly worded material in an attempt to either fill up space or feign intelligence.
And they claim to be original. Everyone is just a cheap immitation of the person who did it before them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
Most people don't know that the earth is closer to the sun in the winter. Well, in the northern hemisphere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
KNOWLEDGE!!
OMG bitter much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxia
Yep. Like you wouldn't even believe :P
Quads FTW. I remember the hallways linkin the houses together and it was like some kinda cool random dungeon. With lounges and laundry rooms. :tu:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tragic
My 2nd grade teacher lied to my class. I argued with her over it and got send to the fucking office because I was right.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmniGear
LOL, that knowledge is pretty radical for a 2nd grader, I can't believe you wielded it so bravely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
No, 18 year olds that think they're "enlightened intellectuals" because they can recite anti-Bush chants are worse.
Whatever dude... I had Mr. Wizard on my side.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmniGear
IBTNQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Mr. Wizard was a great man. He did so much for us. SCIENCE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
I personally detest the students with a BUSH IS HITLER Patch on their rights arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
What the fuck is wrong with my school?
The underground tunnels are pretty cool, I'll give you that. Everything else about the Quads sucks though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gymkata
*EDIT* I misread your post and thought you said Summer, you are right. We are both on the same page.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmniGear
Our underground tunnels are condemned :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Tragic
You can still sneak into parts of them though, most have collapsed however (They're like 100 years old)
That sucks although it must be pretty cool to sneak around. Our's connect all of the buildings within the Quad and have a central lounge that has a big screen TV, pool table, and foosball table. There's a ping pong table too but it's all kinds of fucked up. Oh, and vending machines.
actually, you are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
The earth, nor any of the other planets go around the earth in a perfect circle. They typically travel elliptical. The earth is closer to the sun during the winter. That is why Australia is a virtual desert. They have harsh summers at the same time we are having mild winters.
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF7/798.htmlQuote:
The reason is that the earth's orbit around the sun is slightly elliptical, or egg-shaped, and the sun is a little off-center of the ellipse (technically, it lies at one focus). The earth is actually closer to the sun, and the sun is thus brighter, during January. It appears dimmer at the northern latitudes because it lies lower in the sky, and its rays must pass through a greater thickness of atmosphere.
http://www.school-for-champions.com/...arthmotion.htmQuote:
Since the orbit of the Earth around the Sun is an ellipse, surprisingly, the Earth is closer to the Sun for a Northern Hemisphere winter than it is in the summer. That would imply that the Southern Hemisphere has slightly colder winters and warmer summers than the Northern.
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/l...me/seasons.gif
Yeah... also MR. WIZARD SAID THE EARTH WAS CLOSER TO THE SUN IN THE WINTER SO ITS FUCKING TRUE OK?
In SC, we had Mr. Knozit, a local news weather-man and state celebrity that came on in the mornings before Mr. Wizard.
Despite having double the knowledge in the mornings, we are dead last in SAT scores and well below 40th place for pretty much everything else.
Then why is the sky a red tint on Mars?Quote:
PS: That is the most common wrong answer for this question as well. Reflection of the ocean being the most common wrong answer for the "why is the sky blue" question.