Opinion about debate on ebay

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20 Mar 2006, 12:15 PM
Burky

Opinion about debate on ebay

I am interested in whether I am in the right or wrong here, nothing else.

I bought a keybaord a few days back off ebay, and it just arrived today. It cost 45 euros ~$50.

However, it was some shitty windows media edition, which I just thought was a special edition, but turned out that it only works with a tv with IR receiver, and Windows Media Centre only.
That was my mistake upon not researching enough; I accept that mistake.

However:
This keyboard was clearly defined as a QWERTY keyboard, and I also asked the man, and he confirmed this is so.

However, upon receiving the keyboard today, all the guy did was swap one key round, so that it looks like this: (not the actual keyboard, just the layout). What he switched it too didn't even look like a QWERTY. Notice the Z and the M locations, along with all the other keys.
http://img465.imageshack.us/my.php?i...eyboard6td.jpg

Not like a real qwerty:

http://www.stphilipneri.org/files/CC...ard/qwerty.jpg

As well as having 13 other function keys, all in French.
So it is not simply a matter of switching the keys to like an English keyboard.

So the thing is that this keyboard is no good to me because:
1) I don't have the hardware/software to use it (this is my mistake)
2) It's in French and that's no good to me in the long run, with all the gay accents and shit. (this is the ebay guys mistake). Note that I would have returned a French keyboard, regardless of whether I had a hardware issue or not.

So I want to return it to the guy. However, this falls upon the definition of what a QWERTY keyboard is. Mine was that it read qwerty, and had all the english keys. One definition is here:

Quote:

Said of an English-language typewriter, word processor or other keyboard: having the standard arrangement of keys, ie with the letters q w e r t y appearing in that order at the top left of the letters section.

So here, it is defined as in English, but many other definitions of QWERTY does not say that the Keyboard is in the English language.

I'd just like to know whether I'm in the right here, by pushing to return this keybaord to the ebay guy, and what sort of a chance I have of succeeding. Also, am I an asshole by being so fussy about the language? Maybe, but I was very specific about wanting a QWERTY
I linked him to those two links shown above, and sent him that quote, defining a QWERTY keyboard.

Thanks for any real opinions.
20 Mar 2006, 12:20 PM
Brand X

With a little elbow greese, and some help from wikipedia, you could find out that what you recieved is not a QWERTY keyboard, but one of these:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

French keyboards interchange both "Q" and "W" with "A" and "Z", and move "M" to the right of "L"; they are known as AZERTY keyboards.

Which from what I can tell, is not what you intended on purchasing.
20 Mar 2006, 12:23 PM
Diff-chan

Fucking Frenchies.
20 Mar 2006, 12:23 PM
Burky

Nice. If wikipedia says it, my case sounds ok.
I didn't think of wiki, I just googled it.
20 Mar 2006, 12:24 PM
Josh

Quote:

Originally Posted by diffusionx

Fucking Frenchies.

Verified.
20 Mar 2006, 12:30 PM
bandit

Email seller and tell him you're not satisified and want to return and a full refund. Some sellers would refund cost of auction minus the shipping. If you paid via PayPal, you can file a dispute saying it was not as described.
20 Mar 2006, 12:32 PM
haohmaru

Got a link to the auction?
20 Mar 2006, 12:47 PM
Port

Also keep in mind, there are programs which can remap keyboards. So, if you're stuck with it, pluck off the wrong keys, put them in the write spots, and use the remapper to make it a real qwerty. I think the name of the program is TradeKeys or something.
20 Mar 2006, 02:19 PM
Burky

I know you can move off the keys, but all the number keys have all the french accents on instead of !@#$%^&*() on the number line, and same with all the keys next to the return key. See the diagram in my first post.
Something like half the keys are different to the English/American qwerty, and so typing on one of those, when the keys have been remapped is like being blind.

Note also that I don't have the right hardware/software for the keyboard, so I would want to return it anyway, though it was my mistake
Though my main reason is for the language, as qwerty keyboards are hard to come by in France, and I went and bought that specifically because it was qwerty.

Here is the auction:
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MEWN%3AIT&rd=1

Quote:

Me to him
bonjour, votre clavier c'est qwerty ou pas. Dans l'image c'est pas qwerty, mais dans la titre c'est qwerty. Merci
Hello, is your keyboard qwerty or not? In the image, it isn't shown as qwerty, but the title says it is

Quote:

Him to me
Bonjour oui c'est qwerty
Hello, yes it's qwerty

In the description he also said it's new. However he had opened it, and stuck it back together with tape again, and he didn't waterproof it, so the edges of the box got damp (last few days have been rainy), and the box looks like he's been playing football with it. I guess that's another negative point perhaps.

I paid by paypal too, so that's good. I will see how he responds to the proof that the item was not as described, then request formally that he takes back the item, and refunds fully the price of the item, plus shipping both ways (it costs like $7 each way, and there's no way I'm paying that), and the cost of paypal if he refunds me through paypal.

I have a rating of 63, 100%, he has a rating of 60, 100%, so neither of us is really more reputable than the other.

Thanks for your responses so far.
20 Mar 2006, 02:29 PM
YellerDog

Shatter his skull with a stale baugette. It is your only recourse.
20 Mar 2006, 02:33 PM
Burky

Baguette rape!
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/677/s4aq.jpg
20 Mar 2006, 02:34 PM
haohmaru

If he refunds through Paypal, the fees are included.

Sounds like you're in the right to me. Good luck.
20 Mar 2006, 03:02 PM
burgundy

Quote:

Originally Posted by bandit

Email seller and tell him you're not satisified and want to return and a full refund. Some sellers would refund cost of auction minus the shipping. If you paid via PayPal, you can file a dispute saying it was not as described.

Seller eats the shipping in this case. It's 100% his fault.

I would just pay the return shipping though. $7 isn't worth the hassle.
20 Mar 2006, 03:08 PM
bandit

As haoh has stated, you will not be charged a fee. In the payment (on sellers end), there is a link at the bottom that says "REFUND". This link will give seller a page to enter amount of the refund (full or partial). If full, the full amount will be refunded to you as if you never even sent the payment. Seller does not get hit with fees as if he never received it.
20 Mar 2006, 03:39 PM
Burky

Ah that's good. That's slightly less to worry about if there's no paypal fees.
$7 isn't a lot, so I suppose it'll be ok. Maybe the guy didn't mean to falsely describe the item, so I don't wish to completely screw him over.
24 May 2006, 02:53 PM
Burky

Bump.

Conclusion:
Nothing happened since I tried my best to sort it out with him, and after like 15 emails, I got no response. This has been like two months.
So I left him a negative evaluation. He left me one too, and I have applied to get them mutually removed.
I'm really pissed off about this, how he pretended not to exist, and then still did. I'd like to spam up his mailbox (he's with AOL), can I get into trouble through ebay if I do this, and would there be enough evidence to catch me if I did?
If so, I'll just post his address here, and I'm sure it'll get abused soon enough.
24 May 2006, 02:57 PM
Revoltor

I love when people return negative feedback with another negative. Fuck you eBay.
24 May 2006, 02:59 PM
Diff-chan

If you sign his email up for a bunch of different spam lists... how would anyone find out?
24 May 2006, 03:05 PM
Burky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revoltor

I love when people return negative feedback with another negative. Fuck you eBay.

I really didn't think that one through. I was just pissed off one day and thought he might genuinely have stopped ebay.

Quote:

Originally Posted by diffusionx

If you sign his email up for a bunch of different spam lists... how would anyone find out?

True I suppose. I was thinking more along the lines of an actual mail bomber in which case maybe they could have traced it? But signing him up to several sites would be just as good I guess. Thanks.
24 May 2006, 03:27 PM
JefmcC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burky

I really didn't think that one through. I was just pissed off one day and thought he might genuinely have stopped ebay.

True I suppose. I was thinking more along the lines of an actual mail bomber in which case maybe they could have traced it? But signing him up to several sites would be just as good I guess. Thanks.

Yeah, just post it on the net that you plan to harass the guy, that's the smart thing to do.
24 May 2006, 06:51 PM
Burky

I'm not going to now I don't think. We mutually withdrew the evaluations and I'm feeling less pissed off about the whole thing.
When I describe it properly, and resell it, I may even make a profit on it which would be nice.
24 May 2006, 07:02 PM
johnk_

Seriously, you'd think that after what, 10 years, eBay would think of some kind of solution to their feedback problem.

You can't leave anyone negative feedback without expecting retaliatory negative feedback.
25 May 2006, 12:50 AM
Cheebs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burky

I'm not going to now I don't think. We mutually withdrew the evaluations and I'm feeling less pissed off about the whole thing.
When I describe it properly, and resell it, I may even make a profit on it which would be nice.

Aw man, owned by a frog. Good luck selling it.