Ghouls 'N Ghosts (Daimakaimura only) comparison videos

For those of you who love Daimakaimura ~ Ghouls 'N Ghosts, and for those that like to compare home versions of arcade games to the original, this is for you.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=AirRaidX
(i made them, yea that's me :D)

I will try to get more videos of the Saturn Capcom Generation Vol 2 version up, as well as the Playstation version which was directly lifted for the PS2 and Xbox versions of Capcom Classics Collection (PS1-Xbox-PS2 all have the dim, difficult to see distant parallax scrolling backgrounds).

these videos are mainly to highlight the differences between the original 16-Bit CP-System (CPS) Arcade version and NEC's translation for the 8-bit SuperGrafx.



Arcade
video of stage 2-2 from Arcade
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1...stage22cj5.png


Megadrive-Genesis
video of stage 2-2 from Genesis
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1...houls22ro1.png


SuperGrafx
video of stage 2-2 on SuperGrafx
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3...640x480kt6.jpg


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Arcade (video)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9...adegng1as9.jpg

MegaDrive/Genesis (video)
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2...ghouls1ew6.jpg

SuperGrafx (video)
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/8...nghostsyl7.png

X68000
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7...000gng1ey5.jpg

you can see a very significant lack of detail in the SuperGrafx conversion compared to the arcade, the severe lack of detail in the MegaDrive/Genesis rendition, and basicly, seemingly exact arcade-detail in the X68000 port.

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if you prefer direct captures over digital camera videos, I've got some of those too--look for them.



Full Intro for Arcade Daimakaimura


Full Intro For Arcade Ghouls 'N Ghosts (english)


Intro for SuperGrafx Daimakaimura

RE: the arcade video. Arthur goes through all the effort to avoid the fiery windmill and then he just runs smack dab into the armored red devil. Dumbass!

yes. in all three of those videos. just to show the detail. or lack of it in the case of Genesis and SuperGrafx.

but in teh first 3 videos, Arthur clears the stage, defeating the flaming hellhound, Cerberus http://www.bogleech.com/segagng-flamehound.gif

:D

Your mom clears the stage, defeating the flaming hellhound, Cerberus http://www.bogleech.com/segagng-flamehound.gif

This is interesting, thanks for this. I love this game!

And all this time I thought the Genesis version was pretty. :(

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And all this time I thought the Genesis version was pretty. :(

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It WAS....in certain places. it's prettier than the SuperGrafx version at times.
even though the SuperGrafx beats it in many areas.

the music on the Genesis version was extremely beautiful, far better than the awful TurboGrafx-quality music that the SuperGrafx had.

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Originally Posted by NidoTower

the music on the Genesis version was extremely beautiful, far better than the awful TurboGrafx-quality music that the SuperGrafx had.

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Yeah, the bouncing turtle stage has amazing music on Genesis. Better than the arcade IMO.

You have any videos of the X68000 version of Daimakaimura, supergrafxengine?

wow, the genesis version looks much worse than I remember. I rembembered it beign vaguely close to the arcade, but it doesn't even look like the same game.

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You have any videos of the X68000 version of Daimakaimura, supergrafxengine?

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I don't right now, sorry. I lost everything on my HDD a few weeks ago :( so I no longer have the X68K emu setup. maybe sometime i will d/l it again and make videos of the near-exact port of X68000 Daimakaimura.

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wow, the genesis version looks much worse than I remember. I rembembered it beign vaguely close to the arcade, but it doesn't even look like the same game.

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first time I saw the arcade game, which was after I bought the Genesis version, i was SHOCKED to see how much better it was.


before I played either version, I read how great it was in EGM

EGM praised Genesis Ghouls 'n Ghosts very highly, telling us it was a
'virtual carbon-copy' of the coin-op:

EGM #3, Aug-Sept 1989, with the hilarious Ironsword - Fabio cover:
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8785/egm34ah.jpg
page 66:
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6...boncopy7fb.jpg

EGM stretched the truth quite a bit here, although they did not give us an absolute falsehood, a total baldfaced lie, as Computer & Video Games did..... from some issue (dont know which) of Computer And Video Games magazine:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8517/gng5bf.jpg

yeah.....right


Arcade Ghouls 'n Ghosts
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6296/arcgngbh5.png

Megadrive~Genesis Ghouls 'n Ghosts
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9020/gengngwx9.png

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformation...7-minister.jpg
"THERE ARE NO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEGADRIVE AND ARCADE GHOULS 'N GHOSTS"
THE MEGADRIVE VERSION IS A PIXEL-FOR-PIXEL COPY"





:p

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And all this time I thought the Genesis version was pretty. :(

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Now looking at it is almost like looking at the SMS version as far as I'm concerned- yech. CPS is what Genesisn't. Neither cartridge version is even close to the 32 Megabit PCB graphically, but at least the Genny one nails the music reasonably well.

The gameplay is all there, but it's hard to go back to the 16-bit one when the Saturn version is right there on my shelf. It's a shame we didn't have the X68000 officially released in the states. That system was very expensive at the time, but GNG for X68000 is yet another arcade perfect port AFAIR.

Saturn + Capcom Gen. 2 = GnG bliss.

About 5 years ago I finally got CG2 for the Saturn. I was floored by how better looking the arcade game was when compared to the Genesis.

The music is much more orchestrated and sounds comes across as far superior to the Genesis game.

Any fan of this game, or series should really play the arcade version and see it for themselves.

The difficulity is also higher (in particular the boss battles), giving you a better challenge than the walk in the park that GnG is on the Genesis.

It had been over 10 years since I had played GnG in the arcade, and I didn't play it much at the arcade.

**The Capcoms Classic game is not even woth playing IMO, as the controller seems rather incompatible for 2D games, in particular the directional on the controller S is very stiff, and difficult to use in comparison with the Saturn or Genesis controller. Maybe it takes some getting used to, but I wasn't going to bother as I'd rather just play it on my Saturn.

**Interesting to see what EGM had to say about GnG, they got carried away in their comparison quite a bit, as the Genesis GNG game was the best looking console game to date in late 1989 when it debuted but fell nothing of the quality of the superior aracade version.

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Now looking at it is almost like looking at the SMS version as far as I'm concerned- yech. CPS is what Genesisn't. Neither cartridge version is even close to the 32 Megabit PCB graphically, but at least the Genny one nails the music reasonably well.

The gameplay is all there, but it's hard to go back to the 16-bit one when the Saturn version is right there on my shelf. It's a shame we didn't have the X68000 officially released in the states. That system was very expensive at the time, but GNG for X68000 is yet another arcade perfect port AFAIR.

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ahh the X68000 version is incredible, and incredibly close to the arcade....but not quite..... 'arcade perfect'.......
no such thing as arcade perfect ghouls 'n ghosts at home. see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOAi3...h=feet%20grass

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yes, the X68000 port is the closest version you can get at home, outside of an emulator running the arcade rom. the X68000 version is, from what I can tell, closer to the arcade coin-op machine/PCB than the Saturn, Playstation, Xbox or Playstation2 versions. but teh X68000 version does not have teh 'grass-effect' that obscures Arthurs feet/legs. no home version does :p

I played the ever living shit out of the genesis version back in the day, by far one of my favorite games on the genesis

I had no idea back then how bad it looked in comparison

still a damn good looking game for the genny though

I got the Saturn Collection not that long ago but havent really had a chance to sit down with it looks like I need to

I cant remmeber but was super ghost and gouls a diffrent game by itself. i thought i use to be awesome...

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I cant remmeber but was super ghost and gouls a diffrent game by itself. i thought i use to be awesome...

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Yes, a completely separate game that never had an aracade version, unlike Ghosts' N Goblins & Ghouls' N Ghosts.

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I cant remmeber but was super ghost and gouls a diffrent game by itself. i thought i use to be awesome...

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yes, Super Ghouls 'N Ghosts (Chomakaimura or Choumakaimura) is a completely different game. although it is part of the series. it's the sequel to Daimakaimura ~ Ghouls N Ghosts. I love it for what it is. it did not have a direct arcade parent to live upto, although I do think the very different Daimakaimura arcade is superior overall to Super Ghouls. in Super Ghouls, you cannot attack up-down, which is a step back. however the double jump is very cool and helps the gameplay. the slow pace of the game is something i did not care for though, after the relatively lightning fast gameplay of Daimakaimura.

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Originally Posted by warnpro

Saturn + Capcom Gen. 2 = GnG bliss.

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indeed it is. we get a 98% exact port of Daimakaimura
(no, it's not 100% exact but its very good, and still arcade-quality)

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About 5 years ago I finally got CG2 for the Saturn. I was floored by how better looking the arcade game was when compared to the Genesis.

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same with me, when i saw the real arcade game at Six Flags in summer 1990, a few months after buying the 'virtual carbon-copy' Genesis version, i was awe-struck :D

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The music is much more orchestrated and sounds comes across as far superior to the Genesis game.

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I agree it is more orchestrated, and although technically superior to the Genesis version's music (i wont argue against facts) i actually prefer the way the Genesis music sounds.

there is one massive problem with the music in Saturn and Playstation Daimakaimura, which i assume was also carried over to the Capcom Classics Collection on PS2-Xbox since the Playstation CG2 version was used for CCC.... that is, the ending music right after you defeat Lucifer is botched. it sounds nothing like the arcade game or even the Genesis version. the ending music that is there is not even playable in the sound test (which goes upto track 25)... the proper ending music is track 26 on Genesis and I think track 19 in the arcade... anyway, they screwed it up. so CG2/CCC is not perfect even though its still awesome.

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Any fan of this game, or series should really play the arcade version and see it for themselves.

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very much agreed!

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The difficulity is also higher (in particular the boss battles), giving you a better challenge than the walk in the park that GnG is on the Genesis.

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absolutely true, yeah.

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It had been over 10 years since I had played GnG in the arcade, and I didn't play it much at the arcade.

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I only got to play the real actual arcade machine that one time in summer 1990, will never forget the shock I got when I saw it destroys the Genesis version.

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**The Capcoms Classic game is not even woth playing IMO, as the controller seems rather incompatible for 2D games, in particular the directional on the controller S is very stiff, and difficult to use in comparison with the Saturn or Genesis controller. Maybe it takes some getting used to, but I wasn't going to bother as I'd rather just play it on my Saturn.

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I have the Xbox version. it's based on the Playstation Capcom Generation 2 as i said. same problem with the distant parallax background exists. they're the same as the arcade, no downgrade (like SuperGrafx or Genesis) but they're way too dark to see properly without turning up the brightness on your screen. the Xbox controller is not the best way to play it. It is STILL arcade-quality just not arcade perfect.

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**Interesting to see what EGM had to say about GnG, they got carried away in their comparison quite a bit, as the Genesis GNG game was the best looking console game to date in late 1989 when it debuted but fell nothing of the quality of the superior aracade version.

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definitally agree there. at least EGM didn't say 'arcade perfect' back in those days (i think GameFan coined that awful phrase)......... EGM never actually said either Genesis or SuperGrafx versions were identical to the arcade, but they got close to saying it.


here are five EGM mini-articles from 1990 on SuperGrafx Ghouls 'N Ghosts:

EGM #10, May 1990
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/9...ypecrop4kn.jpg


EGM #11, June 1990
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/460...oyscrop4hi.jpg
(note that 'The Mountain King' is Granzort)


EGM #13, August 1990
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1...reecrop6gh.jpg



EGM #14, Sept 1990
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2...letter1pu5.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7...280x600fo5.jpg

EGM #14, Sept 1990
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3...345x960py7.jpg


EGM #15, October 1990
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/9...xreview8xz.jpg

supergrafxengine-

Thanks for posting the EGM stuff, makes me wish I kept my EGM's from way back then.

I vaguely remember that "EGM rates the Systems" article, although I guess they did that type of thing frequently. Dayum, I'm getting old.

OH ya, on those videos, is that you, or did you get that elsewhere?

I made ALL of those videos :D

some are from a 3.1 megapixel digital camera (not direct capture) others are direct capture ( i had to learn how to do this the other day, im not even an amature) and those lack sound.

I'm happy to provide those EGM clips for you guys to look at. I only wish my collection of EGM and other magazines was even something close to being more complete.

hey, I would very much like to see any Japanese magazine articles from 1989-1990 on Daimakaimura / Ghouls 'n Ghosts for the MegaDrive and the SuperGrafx. from what someone on another board told me:

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I'd like to say that the PCE mags of that time didn't do the same thing. At least they compared the arcade, MD, and SGX versions w/pix on the same page rather than just saying "perfect" or "kills the MD ver". Not to say that they weren't biased, but at least they compared a few shots and explained the differences in terms of the console's capabilities. I'll have to look for that article and post it.

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I'd like to see what he is talking about!

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I played the ever living shit out of the genesis version back in the day, by far one of my favorite games on the genesis

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heh, I love that phrase "the ever living shit" :P

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I had no idea back then how bad it looked in comparison

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when I got my Ghouls N Ghosts and Genesis in the spring of 1990, I had never seen the Arcade version. I had no idea either, until a few months later when I played the arcade at a Six Flags theme park.

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still a damn good looking game for the genny though

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yep, the gameplay and music of the Genesis rendition still hold up very well even to this day.

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I got the Saturn Collection not that long ago but havent really had a chance to sit down with it looks like I need to

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play it, play it. beat it (if you can) and tell me what you think of the ending music. I say they botched it, but otherwise it's an outstanding port. I'm playing the Saturn version as I make more direct captures of the Genesis and SuperGrafx. I gotta get more digicam vids of my Saturn CapGen2 :D

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EGM #11, June 1990
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/460...oyscrop4hi.jpg
(note that 'The Mountain King' is Granzort)

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This is the first time I'd ever heard of a sequel to Keith Courage. I really liked the first one, is this one any good? And is there a Supergrafix emulatror for Xbox?

I'm not very familar with the emulation scene on Xbox.

but Magic Engine for computers, it emulates SuperGrafx very very well
http://www.magicengine.com/uk_index.html

here are some reviews of the game: The Mountian King aka Granzort aka Grandzort aka Grand Zort aka Madouou Granzort
aka Madoo Granzort aka King Granzort aka MAD KING GRANZORT (and probably a dozen other names too),
the unofficial sequel to Keith Courage In Alpha Zones....

http://www.gamezero.com/team-0/final...grandzort.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/turb...ew/R14474.html
http://www.defunctgames.com/reviews/617/


http://www.geocities.com/sgextreme/grafx/grandzort3.jpg
http://mo5.com/gamepatria/images/nec...ranzort003.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/sgextreme/grafx/grandzort2.jpg
http://www.pcengine.com.br/cards/granzort/Grandz1.gif
http://www.pcengine.com.br/cards/granzort/Grandz4.gif
http://www.geocities.com/sgextreme/g...randzort10.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/sgextreme/grafx/grandbox.jpg

not an fantastic game, but decent

Since being unemployed Korly has gon Super F Chan on us, he even wanted me to get my hands on J-FFXII for him to play.

I played a little bit of Radical Dreamers last week also.

Like I said, reminds me of going to his apartment when a new DDR would come out, lol.

HEY KORLY GO BACK TO JAPAN!

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heh, I love that phrase "the ever living shit" :P

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I couldn't think of any other way to express just how much I played GnG on the genesis seriously a good 75% of the time I was turning my genesis on was to play GnG still never beat the game just got too damn brutal for me

come on, Ghouls N Ghosts on Genesis is NOT THAT HARD. sure it leans towards being somewhat difficult, but not to the extreme. The SuperGrafx version is slightly more difficult but I beat that too. Chomakaimura ~ Super Ghouls N Ghosts is alot more difficult than ANY version of Daimakaimura. the original Ghosts 'N Goblins, arcade and even more so, on NES, is yet even more difficult than its sequels. but you know what, I've played plenty of games that are more difficult than these games because of just sheer difficulty, bad controls etc., and I concider myself of only average skill in 16-bit and 8-bit 2D videogames.

I found arcade Ghouls and Ghosts to be harder than arcade Ghosts and Goblins, but maybe it's just me.

Saturn collection is the best.

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Originally Posted by JefmcC

Saturn collection is the best.

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It's awesome and worth owning, but the Daimakaimura ~ Ghouls N Ghosts on X68000 is a tad better, because:

1.) the colors are more accurate to the arcade
2.) the proper ending music is there
3.) when Arthur powers up with the Golden Armor, the animation sequence is fully intact (it's shorter on Sat, PS1-PS2-Xbox)
4.) the resolution is more similar to the arcade than Saturn

I give the Saturn version 98% in its accuracy to the arcade, I give X68000 99%

but then few people actually own a X68000 so the Saturn version is much more accessable.

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5. It doens't pause before boss fights to change the audio track.

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come on, Ghouls N Ghosts on Genesis is NOT THAT HARD. sure it leans towards being somewhat difficult, but not to the extreme. The SuperGrafx version is slightly more difficult but I beat that too. Chomakaimura ~ Super Ghouls N Ghosts is alot more difficult than ANY version of Daimakaimura. the original Ghosts 'N Goblins, arcade and even more so, on NES, is yet even more difficult than its sequels. but you know what, I've played plenty of games that are more difficult than these games because of just sheer difficulty, bad controls etc., and I concider myself of only average skill in 16-bit and 8-bit 2D videogames.

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I used to beable to make it really far into the game with our dying at all and then I would hit this one part of the game and it's been years I can't remember what stage it was where it would just beat the shit out of me and then I would get all pissed off and frustrated and stop playing

I've uploaded the Ghouls N Ghosts ~ Daimakaimura ending music from the SATURN version from Capcom Generation vol 2, as well as the Arcade, Genesis, SuperGrafx and Xbox versions.



in my honest opinion, they REALLY screwed up the ending music in the Saturn version -- whatever they did to it -- call it a remix, an arrangement, or what have you. I strongly dislike it. It's highly irritating.
even if it is technically advanced ( i'm not saying it is) I still really dislike this rendition...

I think the Genesis version of the ending music is FAR, FAR better as it reproduces the arcade much more nicely. The SuperGrafx version, well they kinda tried, concidering the limitations of the audio chip... it's not as good as the Genesis version. but these all make for an interesting comparison. I'll try to upload the Playstation / Xbox versions later.

This game rocks.

On a side note, you posted this on every forum i went :)

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This game rocks.

On a side note, you posted this on every forum i went :)

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Good...

If any game deserves more attention it's this one.

IMO, one of the most underrated games ever.

Not many played it at the arcade back in the day, and the game came out for the Genesis in the early days when the user base was still very small, so most people who came around to Sega later during the 16 bit era missed out on this classic.

Just bumping this thread to announce that the Amiga version has the best music. It's official.

Download it here:

http://gh.ffshrine.org/soundtracks/2973

04-- Level 2 should be first priority. Wows.

But it sounds nothing like the original.

Oh wait, level i music on the amiga is from level 2 of the original G'n'G.

Yeah, it's all a bit jumbled, but amazing nonetheless. The guy who worked on the Amiga soundtrack also did Echo for Dreamcast, along with some other stuff.

Fantastic job on the comparison videos and old EGM articles. I never played GNG in the arcades. I played the Genesis version to death I recently bought Capcom Classics Collection for PS2 the PS2 version has the full arcade intro, stage 1 boss is a statue that comes alive and the eyes in the flames animation before the stage two boss attacks. Nice touches I did not know were in the arcade version. Graphically the game is superior to the Genesis version but it is also missing several sound effects that were in the Genesis version that bothers me and takes away from the experience.

i updated this thread with some better pictures plus a 'letter to the editor' from EGM #14.