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If you're religious, you're a fucking idiot. There is but one God:
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me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief~Silver
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and your mom.
For the same reason?
all of your first grandmom's were all triple celled dinoflagellates
Yoshi is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Good scanner by the way.
Fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
YOu put me in stiches Mr. Burgundy.
One thing I can't comprehend is why people can't understand why Creationism isn't considered a science. I really can't even wrap my brain around that.
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God invented science.
I can't argue.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Haven't read the thread yet. But my initial reaction to the article is.... If she wants to get up on her soapbox and hate on gays in the middle of campus then let her. I guarentee that she will draw a huge crowd of people yelling at her, calling her a bigot and homophobic. We get crazy fundementalists all the time on my campus hold huge signs about how we're all going to Hell, and I don't care. It always turns into a big circus of human stupidity.
But I agree with the crazy, she should be allowed to say whatever the hell she wants, even if the subject is unsavory and hateful.
The whole gay issue is one of the whole reasons why I don't find christianity conceivable.
I'm not gay or anything, but if someone is gay, it's not their fault, and as long as they don't go around being an asshole with it (a kid in my grade last year used to grab other guys asses...he left now and went back to New York) I have no problem with them. They deserve the same right to having sex, marriage for tax advantages and security, and whatever else normal couples have rights to.
And if Christianity is right, and God designed each and everyone of us, then why would he make people gay, if they're only destined to burn in hell. (I think that's what the bible says...)
I brought this thought up with my parents (who are christians) and they say a person who is gay has the devil in them, which frankly is just as absurd.
The girl is clearly a closed minded idiot. A parallel thing would be to go around the campus protesting against black people, and I think gay-bashing should be on parallel with that with being unacceptable.
Well people like to pick and choose things from the bible that they want to hold as a rule, while ignoring others.
It also says to stone ill-mannered children, and to put to death anyone who works on a sunday.
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear." -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21
But...we can let those slide. Even though it's the 'word of god'. But that gay shit? God was serious bussiness about that.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...llshit&pl=true
I would answer trhose questions, but I said I would drop it and I am. If you want to PM me fine.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but sometimes it goes from discussion to out and out arguing. I thought I could have an open discussion when I first talked about this, but I was wrong.
I'm sorry I didn't mean any offense to christians, it's just one thought I had which never seemed to fit with the christian view.
I'm not looking for an argument here with my idea, I was just mentioning something I thought of. If you could offer a more logical view, then I'd be happy to hear it. Hell I'd let you convert me if you can put forward a good argument, I'm fairly open about these matters.
I have no problem with people being christians, but when they're in your face about it, like this girl here, I think they've stepped over the line.
They have rights to their opinions fine, but start blasting them continually in peoples' faces and start offending people and they've gone too far, I mean what does the girl think she will achieve hear.
Is she going to convert people to christianity? Not with that attitude.
Will she turn gay people straight? I don't think so.
All it's doing is causing trouble, and do you really think God is up there smiling down on what she's doing with her time?
That would be fine in a philosophy class. There no science in Creationism, so why should it be taught in science classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Off topic but I think that website violates some counterfeit laws?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/money_illustrations.shtml
Also, science and especially evolution does not asseret truth. What it is is called "Provisional Truth," and can be modified, added to or thrown out altogether when actual evidence is applied against it and confirmed by experiment. Modern medicine which saves millions of lives owes its existance to Darwin and the Theory of Evolution almost entirely. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with something that has shaped our world so positively, been so beneficial and stands up so well against scrutiny, testing and evidence. Not undeniable, but entirely confrimable, its closer to what cristians might call a law than any other standing theory and that's saying a LOT.
Diffx is right, Theory means a lot more than dipshits who say "it's just a theory, not a law," think it does. Though it's UNSCIENTIFIC to claim it to be The Truth. Truth means Absolute and Unquestionable and for that - well - we humans do not produce unquestionable and pure unshakeable absolute truth. Not regularly at any rate. Evolution's 'truths' are provisional. Thats just how science works. The Boogeymen in lab coats aren't trying to scare off Jesus, they're analyzing and figureing out the laws of nature and the fundmental essence of existance. It just so happens lots of others have come along claiming to have already found those answers, just without proof.
Well I'm not surprised we haven't found the link between humans and apes, considering humans are apes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
It's a bit like looking for the missing link between tuna and fish, really.
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
We need a President in this country ballsy enough to just say, "fuck Christians."
I agree with everyone ... believe it or not. She does not represent the majority of Xtians. The bible says to love one another. Hate the sin, but love the person. If someone does not do that then they are no better than non-beliver. Shocklingly I do not hate Homosexuals. I actually have friends who are that. Most Xtians pull out Old Testament phrases and such to prove that homnosexuality is wrong. That's fine. But when Jesus came and you actually believe him. Jesus wiped away sin when he died on the cross. Thereby anyone believing in him will have his SINS forgiven. It is not the devil. Its a sin.
Most Xtians do not actually read the bible. they listen to the preacher and follow what he says. Not what the Bible says. If thewy actually did that then they would know(relating to gays.) that he doesn't hate John Doe. He hates the act. Theres a group called Exodus. They are gays who follow the lord and no longer are gay. Believe it or not.
I also agree that religion is a bad thing. That's why I am Non-Denominatioal. I do not follow a guy or a belief system I read the bible ... I follow it.
So some of you really hate gays, huh?
Obviously not, they post here.
Seperation of Church and State says that no, we dont need a President to do that. We do need a President to not let the powerful "Christian" leaders (Dobson, Robertson, Falwell) dictate policy, though. And I think generally Presidents have done that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raz0r
Did I miss some attempt to make Christianity hip?Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate05
This is all such bullshit. Yes, people have the right to speak out against homosexuality if they want to, no they don't have the right to harass other people about being gay. Your rights end where someone else's begin.
I'm also tired of everything related to religious stupidity being pinned on that evil "Religious Right". There's just as big and intolerant a religious left, they just don't vote. Ask Jessie Jackson how he feels about gays, or Jews for that matter. The radical left also has a detailed ideaology that they follow as ignorantly and stubbornly as any religious wackjob, for example the guy at Harvard that was fired for posing the question "Could the difference in math scores between men and women have something to do with biology?". A valid question, but one that violates the strict commandments of elitist liberal academia so he's shitcanned.
No one side has claim over rigid stupidity.
Horseshit. They're still gay, you're born gay. They just deny their true selves. Which honestly they have every right to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate05
I really believe this, having grown up with my gay brother and basically knowing he was gay since he was 2 years old. True gays really are born that way, though I think some people become bi/gay through life experiences.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
I've always thought you were born that way too. I mean I couldn't imagine saying to myself 'Ok, I want the men from now on'. It just wouldn't work that way and because of that I've never understood how people act like it's a choice.
I know we're way off topic, but I'd like to know what the few gay members of TNL think about that.
Research still hasn't definitively proven whether teh gay is innate or not.
Oh fuck you. If you dont think the Religious Right has completely hijacked the Republican party and intruded on good government policy (stem cell research to save lives, Plan B over the counter, etc.) and good education policy you are nuts. The Religious Left is a radical fringe and is mostly shunned by the media and government. Jesse Jackson gets lip service but thats about it (right now he's advocating for poor people in New Orleans, as opposed to Pat Robertson declaring war on Hugo Chavez and Dover, PA). And Larry Summers wasn't fired because of that statement (he said it 14 months before he turned in his resignation) - it wasn't a highlight of his tenure at Harvard, but he never was a good fit for the school. He fought the faculty from day one, and as such was pretty much doomed from the beginning. But keep in mind he was Treasury Secretary under Clinton, so he has solid liberal credentials.Quote:
I'm also tired of everything related to religious stupidity being pinned on that evil "Religious Right".
what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate05
what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate05
How the hell did you know that? Wait....I dont think I want to know....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
And yeah, I'm Christian and have absolutley no problem with gay folk.One of my good friends in town here happens to be gay. I dont bust on him, put him down, or try to get him to "switch ball teams". Fuck, he's probably a better Christian than I am. I fornicate and swear all over the goddamn place.
Well I mean we didn't know for sure, but he was always super super effeminate. Like a tomgirl. Enjoyed playing dress up, barbie dolls, musical theater. Liked to pretend to be heroines like Sailor Moon or Princess whatever. Really enjoyed (and still does) sucking on things. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
I mean he's always acted more like a girl than a boy, not just in stereotypical ways either. He really closely resembles my mother in personality. The three of us (father mother me) all used to say we wouldn't be surprised at all if he came out, we were more just waiting for it to happen. So it seems fitting now that his sexual preference is what it is.
I have a really cute picture of him trying on my aunt's wedding dress when he was four or so.
Cowutopia's tale reminded me of that 60 Minutes piece about researching the gay gene. During the segment, they showcased young twin brothers. One brother liked to play with toy soldiers and guns. The other likes to play with dolls, has a lot of pink in his room, and paints his fingernails. It is very apparent that the fem kid is going to grow up gay. They also showed older twin brothers, one of whom is gay.
This brings up an interesting point--if being gay is supposed to be a genetic thing, why aren't both twins gay, since they share the same DNA? The piece concluded that more research was needed, but it's apparent that are other factors besides genetics that determine if you are gay or not.
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Originally Posted by Cowutopia
Yeah, I've seen it too with younger people (not two yrs old though) and I just dont understand it. I guess straight dudes like me just arent meant to. I can live with that.As long as no butthole penetration takes place with eye view or earshot, of me I'm good (even though I still feel a bit like I'm going to throw up when two dudes kissing takes place around me. For my gay friends sake I have to learn to put up with that. Even though he's really cool and doesnt subject his straight friends to it, generally).
But,not my place to judge, leave that to the Big Guy Upstairs. This crazy Christian lady at that college needs to do the same.
hmm, that is kind of interesting.Makes you wonder...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowdisease
That's the basic psychology line about everything: "Every personality trait is a combination of genetics and life experience." And it's obviously true, so obvious that learning it in a classroom is almost a waste of time.
*sigh*
For love the love of zeus.
Advocate, I want to beat your head in with a shovel for starting this stupid thread.
What the hell did you expect to accomplish other than dragging out the usual TNL "I hate Christians" bullshit?
You'd think after all watching all the bullshit that I've had thrown my way because of my faith over these last few years that the Christians on these boards would get a clue and not only stop responding to these troll-bait threads (and stop fueling the fire), but stop making them.
Here's a rule of thumb, if they don't ask about your faith then they probably don't give a damn:
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Cor 1:18
More to the point:
"Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit." 1 Cor 12:3
and finally:
"Avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate stife" 2 Tim 2:23
The Word makes it plain that all men are evil and are not mindful of God and if anyone comes to God it is because they were drawn by the Holy Ghost. "Seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you"
There are no seekers here my brothers, you should know this by now.
Put this ridiculous pissing contest away and move on.
I'm just taking a wild guess, but what about those stupid sex laws that most states still have on the books?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
not exactly, both times homosexuality is mentioned in the bible, (leviticus and paul, if i recall correctly, and leviticus is old testiment, so its not even current law, and it stones just about everyone, which is something that jesus seemed to be verymuch against) it refers to active homosexual activity, no passage in the actual bible(though these fellows may have a version that is altered) says that homosexuals are "destined" to burn in hell. in fact, there are few real cases of "desiny" in the bible, certain major players are prophesied to do different things, and even then a case could be made that they chose their paths that lead to fulfillment of whatever prophecies that they happened to fulifl and thus werent destined either. but for the majority of us, its individual actions that define our relationship with god. but destined for hell? you have a wrong view of christianity to beleive that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burky
no, you missed an attempt to make christina aguilera listenable..it didnt work either.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
This thread needs the ULLLTTTIMMATTTEEE (GOD) WARRRRRIOOORRR!
I went to Christian school for four years (Kindergarten to 3rd grade). Afterwards, I immediately stopped caring, since I felt like I served my time. A teacher stealing my Bible didn't help matters either.
It's this "Persecution" thing people say is retarded. We don't have problems with cristians or any religion (by and large). The problem is as follows:
- Asserting that Creationism/Intelligent Design should be taught "alongside" Evolution. It's ID is not science, Evolution is. Saying, "It's not even a law!" makes it more retarded. It suggests a very crude idea of what Theory really means and the intent of Evolution and Science in general.
- The PRIMARY issue is Intolerance. You can be intolerant of anything you want because this is the great ol USA. It doesn't mean its cool. It's ok to be a bigot if you want to be. No one (reasonable) is going to like you for it though.
- Then there's the absurd suggestion that Christians are being persecuted and that their faith is being attacked. This is ridiculous on a huge variety of levels, such as Christians being the overwhelming majority in the USA, that science makes no concerted effort to dismantle the bible or any other faith since science is removed from faith. Religion, indeed, needs to be removed from state affairs for an equal society to exist (which isn't stoping it from nearly becoming a part of policy anyway since, again, the majority of the US is Christian and it's the will of the people as late, so who's being repressed again?) so public adminstration is at a cross-roads: Hamper speech to intolerant christians (not saying all are intolerant) or allow gays to be descriminated against. Since it's not clear scientifically that homosexuality is a choice or inherent in the person it's best to err on the side of caution and simply prohibit hate speech in federal/state/municipal areas no matter what the reasoning is. Point being, Christians who belive that their faith is under-attack by gays, the ALCU, and unsympathetic government are full of shit and only see wickedness outside them because most likely there's wickedness inside them.
IBTNQuote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
teaching creationism in bio makes as much sense as teaching that fire is angel farts or the will of God in chemestry class.
Awww, that's cute how you two finally agree on something.
Maybe we really can all get along. :link:
I hate when people get offended, gays included. If someone wants to wear a "God Hates Fags" kind of shirt, or have an anti-gay protest or anything else along those lines, they should be able to. Don't like it? Boo-fucking-hoo. Inflammatory speech is not prohibited. Deal with it.
Now, inciting people to violence against gays or to taking away their rights is not cool.
PRECISELY! How hard is this to understand?Quote:
"The message is, you're free to worship as you like, but don't you dare talk about it outside the four walls of your church," said Stephen Crampton, chief counsel for the American Family Assn. Center for Law and Policy...
6000 year old Earth FTL.
Hey, fuck you pal. Just because we stand up for rationality and science over blind faith in an ACADEMIC SETTING doesn't mean WE'RE the ones who're ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
Shut up, you're gay. I never respect a gay. I'm going to suplex you, put you in the camel clutch, break you back, make you humble, AND THEN fuck your ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giga Power
We're all fucking fags, you god damn queers. Don't pretend everyone else is against you when it's only people who have nothing to do with you in the first place.
You want to show someone the missing link between apes and men, show them a baby ape. That is essentially what man is. That is why we have so little hair, love to play, and have the ability to learn throughout our lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
P.S. This isn't something I pulled out my ass, I read it in a book 5 years ago. I think it is still just a hypothesis, but it seems reasonable to me.
You have learned well brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
Relax, he's finally figured out that we have no interest being part of his archaic religion. Baby steps man, baby steps.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
give it time. I will say something kind of dumb and he will take advantage of it to rant for a few pages about how wrong and stupid I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giga Power
That made me lol, best idea ever. I'd buy 5 of those shirts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calliander
I was all mealy mouthed once talking about "god hates fags" and said "hate the sinner, not the sin." I decided I'd stick with it.
I'll tell you, I'd fuck a dude in the ass and like it. But I hate fags.
http://www.murphybedsdirect.com/imag...pherLowell.jpg
God hates fags SO much.
No, the point is that humans, literally, are apes. "Ape" is a term about as broad as "cat" and humans are a subset of that, just like mountain lions are a subset of cats. That's why it always sounds so stupid when somebody says "well why haven't we found the missing link between humans and apes, huh?" They don't even know what an ape is.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Oh, and as for gays being born that way, I can't claim to know the cause, but I do know that it was never a choice. The only choice was whether to act on it or not, and given that my options were a life of celibacy and lies or pissing off some Christians... well, you all know which one I chose. Incidentally, there have been studies which show that if you have identical twins, chances are much higher than normal that one of them will be gay. What this means is anybody's guess at this point, but I'd say at the least there's a genetic predilection to be gay (which is the case for just about every genetically-determined thing that isn't purely physical).
I think an ape with an opposable thumb would be about as close to a missing link as there would be. That or Sasquatch,Abominable Snowman, Florida Skunkape.lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
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Originally Posted by sethsez
Do you have a brother Seth? Or any other gay family members? My uncle on my dads side is gay and has about 3 brothers and sisters including my dad who are about the exact opposite from gay as possible. 2 have been in the military,and seem to have an overabundance of testosterone, get in fights a lot, etc.,
Nope, no siblings.
Go look in the mirror. Congratulations, you found an ape with an opposable thumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
OMG Pagan!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
I don't know, debating the veracity of her case based on the law?Quote:
What the hell did you expect to accomplish other than dragging out the usual TNL "I hate Christians" bullshit?
And please, spare the persecution complex. The girl in the article and her ilk are no Christians. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", "Judge not lest ye be judged" and all that.
Sure there are. We all seek the truth, we just come to different conclusions on the subject.Quote:
There are no seekers here my brothers, you should know this by now.
haha, good call.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
Wait....I'm no damn dirty ape!
BTW. Xtian is the wiccan/olde world way of saying Christian. I have a ton of wiccan friends and I'm so used to typing it that way.
To respond to Jetman ... This lady does not represent a majority of Xtians cause I am a Xtian. I do NOT hate Gays, nor do I bash them. I have never EVER said I do. Again my friends who are homosexual know these facts ... Do I approve of their lifestyle NO. Do I hate them for it ... HELL NO. Do I have a right to invade and dictate what I believe in to them? NO. I let them live their life and I live mine. I just let my way of life reflect my beliefs. I do not or advocate OR EVEN support FORCING my beliefs on someone. That's wrong. Thats a way to make the world go ... SEE thats another stupid ass Xtian!
<Tizoc>BIIIIIIIIIIG FAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLL!!!!!!!!!</Tizoc>Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Iron Shiek MAKE YOU HUMBLE!
Well, it looks kind of dumb, I wish you'd quit using it.Makes me think you are talking about Scientology. How do you even pronounce it, "Cross-tian"? "Ex-tian"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate05
K, I'll stop. But I know now they will say what do I advocate. I advocate not trying to force christianity down everyones throat. I advocate saying I'm sorry for causing this whole debacle in the first place.
And I advocate that ...
"Iron Sheik will make you Humble!"
This thread's still here?
Yes, and unfortunately so are you.
gOzen ~ LOL.
How do you pronounce "X-mas"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
It's ex-mas. Axe and ye shall recieve.
It doesn't sound like you know why there is variations in species. It is perfectly valid to look for an in between as one animal evolves into two distinct looking creatures within it's own species. It isn't like dogs just gave birth to small toy dogs, mountain cats to house cats, or apes to humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
Maybe we are apes but it isn't stupid to ask where and what the in-between looked like as we went from being nasty knuckle draggers to being able to post on the internet. It isn't like one day an Ape much like the ones at the zoo gave birth to a little human boy with 100% of the features we consider to make humans, "human."
I was reading something the other day (it was on the net, so take as you will) about how testosterone makes people gay. The hypoth was baised on a study of a bunch of gay people and their brothers. The gay people both had longer index fingers which is connected to how much testosterone one gets in the womb. They also found that typically the further the person is from being the first born the more likely they are to be gay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
I understand, another hard day at the factory makes you a bit cranky.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
The south has factory work again?
Excellent point, but such gaps are filled every day. The amount of information that comes in to affirm the theory of evolution is staggering. sethsez was just saying that Christians tend to use this as a "final" argument that evolution is bunk, when it's really not even close to that. To use a line from good old Rummy, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Josh posted a good link earlier in the thread. Unless you were just posting to make a point and weren't actually curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Do you also write "majicks?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate05
p.s. Women are gay, they like to see men naked. Say goodbye to your girlfriends and wives while you can, they're all going to hell.
p.p.s.
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...id=19065&stc=1
You know what i find odd is that advocate is named after a gay magaizine. coincidence? maybe not
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
How about Not.
Based off of the movie Devil's Advocate and the bible.
Nice to know that I never attacked anyones character, yet you have to stoop to that level.
God hates fags.Quote:
Originally Posted by maruchan
It was a joke. Way to overreact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate05
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4643312.stm
Human foreheads have gotten much larger in the last 650 years. It's not unreasonable to expect that over millions of years, we could've come from anything.
I saw something on the Discovery channel years ago about how vaginas are slowly moving closer to the front of the body over time because that's how humans generally do it.
Wooohooo, bigger taints!Quote:
Originally Posted by omfgninjas in iraq
Hot.
It's more semantic bitching than anything. "Where's the link between a wolf and a canine" is stupid because they're not equivalent groupings, so you're not going to find a "link" there. Creationists ask why we haven't found the link between apes and humans, but it's a fallacious question. "What is the common ancestor of orangutans and humans" is a legitimate question, "when did apes become humans" is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
i don't know, it seems kind of late to be getting upset with christians for not understanding the concept of cause and affect. We are talking about the same people that believe in an all powerful and all knowing God that makes something, knowing it is going to break, and holds it completely accountable for doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethsez
LawL at you all.
god people, die in a fire, it can be a holy one if you want.
science people, quit listening to god people, you're not going to convince them, ever.
in Emotion vs Science debates, everyone loses, except the Iron Shiek.
yes, and they are stupid. the question is a valid one, but the existence of the question doesn't counter the few thousand "answers" we have gotten that says evolution is valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Creationism doesn't need to be taught in bio because it isn't usable. Doctors and anyone else in the medical field can not use "creationism" to help the sick and hurt. They can however use Evolution and what we have learned from researching it discover new meds, learn why we get sick, come up with new surgeries, etc, etc.
Christians need to look at this way, would you want me or omni being taught that electricity comes from Thor's hammer or from the Christian God's rage? Do you want me or him designing your future car computer and wiring layout based on that? How about your brakes? Would you like it if Diff only was taught how to add and subtract because all higher math is the work of the devil? Would you want Burg to be your lawyer if he was taught that all death is the will of God and you needed him to sue someone for killing your five very expensive Dogs?
because that shit is what you are asking for when you ask for anything other than evolution to be taught in Biology. You are asking for your kids to be taught unusable and unsafe ways of doing things. I don't know, maybe it is a result of the US moving to a service economy, but school isn't just there so you can learn a lot of shit and then go work somewhere selling shit to other people. School is there so you can learn things and USE WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED to DO others things. What you are taught has to be functional and useable. Creationism is NOT useable.
It shouldn't even be a debate of which is right. That doesn't matter. What really matters is that your kids, when they are done with school, have been taught enough to get a job and feed themselves.