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Anyone else think they should've thrown the Shooting Star Press out at the end of Smackdown, when Brock came out? Give people something to think about, "wow" them first so they're even more excited about the PPV - I don't see what the point is of having Brock do a Shooting Star Press on the PPV, when the WWF's already sold all the shows they could.

Anyways, I'm really excited about Summerslam - I'm going to be busy (I've never bought a PPV before anyways), but I'm looking forward to reading about it Sunday night.

And, I dunno, since they're probably throwing in the SSP - why not have that finish the Rock? Have the announcers sell the way the press hits the ribs, and have him pin him with the press.

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X-Pac still was a good worker and had alot of heel heat, but bcak to Japan or NWA for him.

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If he was still a good worker, then he sure as heck wasn't showing it the last year or so. And I'm not sure if what he had was "heel heat" it was more like "Oh no, not X-Pac again" heat.

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Anyone else think they should've thrown the Shooting Star Press out at the end of Smackdown, when Brock came out? Give people something to think about, "wow" them first so they're even more excited about the PPV - I don't see what the point is of having Brock do a Shooting Star Press on the PPV, when the WWF's already sold all the shows they could.

Anyways, I'm really excited about Summerslam - I'm going to be busy (I've never bought a PPV before anyways), but I'm looking forward to reading about it Sunday night.

And, I dunno, since they're probably throwing in the SSP - why not have that finish the Rock? Have the announcers sell the way the press hits the ribs, and have him pin him with the press.

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There's a simple reason why they probably won't allow Brock to finish off Rock with the shooting star: it's not his normal finishing move. I know that may sound silly, but WWE has this thing where they give everyone that one magical move that will make a person remain still for the three count. And I guess there's also the fact that if people see him win a big match with that move once, then they will expect it again and again, and it's not a very safe move for either Brock to perform all the time, or for his opponents to take.

You know, you make a good point about having Brock do that move on Rock on the Smackdown before SummerSlam. They already established that he has a killer bearhug that destroyed Hulk Hogan, so of course Brock will be targetting Rock's hurt ribs all throughout the match in order to lead up to that killer bearhug. But if they also had Brock hit the shooting star on Rock, then they could have also added a bit more drama to the SummerSlam match. During the SS match the announcers could be like, "Will Brock target Rock's ribs with a bearhug? Will he do ANOTHER shooting star like he did on Smackdown to FINALLY break Rock's ribs once and for all?" The match could have told multiple stories (bearhug and shooting star), instead of one (bearhug).

Er well I guess I'm remembering the 1-2-3 Kid Days and WCW NWO X-Pac. His Bronco Buster will be sorely missed.

As for the Rock vs Brock match they could do a finsih where the ref stops the match and awards the match to Brock, due to loss of blood or something. It worked well for an old Sid vs Goldberg match.

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Originally posted by Ashod
And I'm not sure if what he had was "heel heat" it was more like "Oh no, not X-Pac again" heat.

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True that.

X-pac was really the only rassiler that I couldn't tolerate.

Something about him, just...ugh, I dunno.

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Originally posted by Ashod
There's a simple reason why they probably won't allow Brock to finish off Rock with the shooting star: it's not his normal finishing move. I know that may sound silly, but WWE has this thing where they give everyone that one magical move that will make a person remain still for the three count. And I guess there's also the fact that if people see him win a big match with that move once, then they will expect it again and again, and it's not a very safe move for either Brock to perform all the time, or for his opponents to take.

You know, you make a good point about having Brock do that move on Rock on the Smackdown before SummerSlam. They already established that he has a killer bearhug that destroyed Hulk Hogan, so of course Brock will be targetting Rock's hurt ribs all throughout the match in order to lead up to that killer bearhug. But if they also had Brock hit the shooting star on Rock, then they could have also added a bit more drama to the SummerSlam match. During the SS match the announcers could be like, "Will Brock target Rock's ribs with a bearhug? Will he do ANOTHER shooting star like he did on Smackdown to FINALLY break Rock's ribs once and for all?" The match could have told multiple stories (bearhug and shooting star), instead of one (bearhug).

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Good point, about the finishing moves - you wouldn't want people to expect the Shooting Star Press, or any move like that. I think that's one of the things that's good about the WWF: they haven't trained their fans to expect the same absurd moves (dangerous/unprotected stuff, 450 splashes and Shooting Star Presses) that Puro fans do, which keeps the wrestlers healthier and makes those moves all the more effective on the fans at the rare time that a wrestler does use one of them.

And, yeah - it'd make the Rock vs Brock story more developed, expand the number of ways the match could end. Ending it with a Bearhug isn't a great idea I think- it's not that impressive of a move. Something like a torture rack would have a better visual effect.

Why is the WWF pushing Brock as an evil monster, when he has all that amateur wrestling experience? I can't wait for Brock vs. Angle...that should be amazing.

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Originally posted by Stone
Why is the WWF pushing Brock as an evil monster, when he has all that amateur wrestling experience? I can't wait for Brock vs. Angle...that should be amazing.

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I think the neat thing is that they have been showing those Rock and Brock workout/training clips the last few weeks. I guess in a way, that shows the fans that the two men that are fighting for the company's top honour are extremely serious about the match and care very much for their physical conditioning; it sort of gives the feeling that this match is a legit athletic contest like a shoot fight or an amateur wrestling match. And the fact that they showed some amateur footage of Brock in his workout clips gives us hope that they may be leaning towards educating the fans more about the amateur style and as a result, they'll get submission moves and holds more over. I, personally, can't wait for Brock and Angle to tear it up one day. It certainly excites me more than the Rock and Brock match this Sunday.

Oh man, and what about that footage on Smackdown where Brock jumped into a tub full of ice water and just sat there? You'd have to SERIOUSLY be in the zone to take that for several minutes.

Oh, those training videos are fantastic. The WWF has just been doing an absolutely top-notch job of promoting this PPV, and I really hope it pays off for them. It seems like ratings have been steadily going up in the past couple of weeks, which is excellent.

The matches on the card all seem to have been set weeks ago, at least, they're promoting every match on the card as being worth watching - the way they're building up to Brock and Rock is great.

It does, also, kind of give a shoot/amateur feel to the thing, but, beyond that, it makes the actual reality of whatthey're doing respectable.

People know that Brock and Rock are training for a "fake" wrestling match, but the training they're showing them go through shows that it doesn't have to be "real" for their performances to be interesting and worthy of respect.

And, yeah, how much respect did you gain for Brock when you saw that ice bath thing? Amazing.

Summerslam, and its build up, should act as a prototype for the WWF to use in promoting almost every other PPV in the future - it's going to be hard to top what they've done here.

Angle vs Brock should happen next Wrestlemania but by then I'd guess that Brock will be a huge face and have dropped Heyman.

Brock vs Goldberg now thats a match I'd really like to see.

Ha, Lita's doing commentary on Velocity tonight. :) But anyway, I'd like to see a Brock and Goldberg Match, too. But I want to see it for all the wrong reasons. *Wants to see Brock stretch Goldberg until he's in tears* :evil:

I can totally see Brock ditching Heyman after winning the title. Sort of like, "I used you to get what I wanted, now you're not needed anymore." I'm thinking it'll be Brock vs Angle or Triple H for his first title defense.