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If he didn't want the attention all he had to say was No Vince, I'm not coming out.
Got free tickets to RAW tonight. Also got to go to a little backstage meet and greet with RVD and Mickie James. (Or whatever her name is.)
Show was okay. Had two hardcore dykes sitting behind us calling somebody a "faggot" every five minutes, had two kids right in front of us with huges signs that they held up for every wrestler, and had some drunk guy a ways down in our row pissed off that a black guy was sitting next to him. Fun times.
The pop for Cena was ridiculous, and the pop for Big Show baffles me because he's, well, Big Show. WTF moment of the night was seeing Val Venis, Visera, and Eugene coming out as a team, and then right afterward seeing the Spirit Squad (who I've never seen before.) Looked like Val got seriously hurt from that stupid move SS did. People were absolutely pissed off at the ending of the show, to that boint that they even booed Cena and HBK a bit once the show was off the air and they were leaving the arena.
Yes he does. Why do you think his wife left him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
Bret Hart always has been an overrated jerk. I stopped watching in the early '90s because he sucks so much.
Bret Hart put on some of the most entertaining wrestling matches and helped break the barrier in wrestling where a common move like a back breaker was a finishing move. He's also responsible for helping Steve Austin's carreer take off by playing such a great heel to his anti-face persona when it originally started to take off. His match with Austin at Wrestlemania was one of his milestones.Quote:
Originally Posted by omfgninjas in iraq
He has degraded in to a bit of a baby, especially since I don't blame Vince at all for screwing him out of the title. Everyone, including Hogan and Shawn Michaels, dropped the belt when they were on the way out from the company. Bret should have dropped the belt to Michaels if he was planning on leaving a week or so after for WCW.
Raw really sucked. The Spirit Squad is the gayest thing in wrestling ever. And they need to get Triple H a rubber hammer, because the way he hits people with the real one looks so fake it's funny.
BTW, Vince is in fucking crazy shape for a 60 year old guy.
Did I mention that the Spirit Squad is gay? I was watching with a friend that normally doesn't watch wrestling and I was so embarrassed I turned that shit off.
Agreed. He was good in the ring, yeah, but in reality he just knew a few moves that he did really well. Oh, and he was great at running chest-first into the turnbuckle, too. Outside of that, his matches were as repetitive as anyone else's in the WWF's roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by omfgninjas in iraq
I remember watching an interview with Bret in his home once, and the whole house was a bizarre shrine to his career. Every room was stuffed with belts, pictures of himself, trophies, magazines, statues, you name it. I mean, there's taking pride in your career and accomplishments and then there's Bret, whose narcissism was simply amazing. If I was shown this house without being told whose it was I would have thought it was some deranged, super-obsessed fan of Bret's.
And I would have been right.
But Bret was in Canada! He couldn't lose the belt in front of his adoring fans, he's a national hero and it would have demoralized the entire country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Was this their debut? I have only basic cable right now, so I can't watch the show. Yeah, they were bad. We were saying at least they'd be funny if they were using cheerleader-type moves... you know, a finisher where they do a pyramid, and then the top guy jumps off and onto the opponent or something. Or, damn, at least some high-flying moves or something. But for the most part, they were totally boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Yeah, god, it just looks so bad. Couldn't he even choke up on the handle right below the hammer part, and pull back on it right before impact? It seems a bit ridiculous that the sledgehammer as a wrestling weapon is played off as being much more dangerous than a chair, but chairshots are far more believable. Sort of like how the title belt is made of some magical material that makes it the most dangerous thing to hit a person with known to man.Quote:
And they need to get Triple H a rubber hammer, because the way he hits people with the real one looks so fake it's funny.
We were talking about that too. I'd swear the older Vince gets, the bigger he gets. He's going to end up this 90 year guy in a wheelchair with the upper body of a monster.Quote:
BTW, Vince is in fucking crazy shape for a 60 year old guy.
He's just like Chris Benoit. He sucks on the mic and sucks at being an interesting character. He was enhancement talent that got a big head and thought that he was real talent. The problem is, Benoit is better than Hart at everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Bret Hart's a good enough wrestler, but I sure as fuck will never buy a DVD of watching that guy do the usual WWE five moves of doom really nicely and then cutting a monotone promo calling himself the greatest ever.
No, they've been around for maybe a month or so now, doing Vince's dirty work. The cheer they did at the end of their match was the lamest thing I've seen WWE do in ages. Horrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
I liked your move suggestions for them, however.
I like how he keeps his hand over the head of the hammer when he hits his opponent to keep them all safe and sound.Quote:
Yeah, god, it just looks so bad. Couldn't he even choke up on the handle right below the hammer part, and pull back on it right before impact?
Excuse me? I take it you've never held an actual sledgehammer. Do me a favor- Pick up a folding metal chair. Then go to a hardware store and pick up a sledgehammer. Then tell me which one you'd rather be hit with in real life. I'd rather be hit with the chair every time.Quote:
It seems a bit ridiculous that the sledgehammer as a wrestling weapon is played off as being much more dangerous than a chair, but chairshots are far more believable.
He over-does it on the tanning and baby oil, however.Quote:
We were talking about that too. I'd swear the older Vince gets, the bigger he gets. He's going to end up this 90 year guy in a wheelchair with the upper body of a monster.
Benoit is worse on the mic. A lot worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by omfgninjas in iraq
There's a lot more to the Bret screwjob than just him not wanting to lose in Canada, and his heel character was his only really good character. The DVD set exposed the same basic formula in his matches, but that formula held up well, much like Flair's. The Spirit Squad is a terrible gimmick, but at least the talent within has made the most of it. Mikey's dances were much better than the match itself, and I really do wish they'd have put CM Punk in it. Raw was dreadful last night except for the Cena video package, Shelton's pimpish getup, and Vince looking bigger than half the roster. Kane bringing humor back into his character was a welcome change as well.
Onto the news -
I feel sorry for Styles in all this, and I can't believe the fucking Coach will get a WM announcing shot over him. The Impact rating being consistent is good news for TNA, but Teny said on WOL that they'd hoped to get over a 1.0 again, so it is kind of disappointing. The Vince newsbit is a surprise, and Stacy's movin' on up in Hollywood... sorta. As for the King of the Cage fighter, good for him, and I got a kick out of the gaming mention.Quote:
--Vince McMahon will not face charges due to lack of evidence in the tanning bad case that allegedly took place the night before the Royal Rumble in Boca Raton. (thanks to Mike Kuzmuk)
--Jim Ross will be calling the Raw matches with Jerry Lawler and Jonathan Coachman at Wrestlemania in a decision finalized last night. Michael Cole and Tazz will do the Smackdown matches. Ross was in Omaha for Raw for the first time at a Raw event since his televised firing.
--TNA Impact did another 0.9 rating on Saturday night
--Access Hollywood last night mentioned the new season of the TV show Punk'd and that Stacy Keibler would be one of the people getting Punk'd this year
--Michael Jerace, a King of the Cage fighter, helped avert a potentially dangerous situation when a man wielding a machete went after a police officer at a crowded mall in Edmonton on Monday. The man pulled out a 12-inch machete and was running and jumping on tables like he was a video game character. Jerace said a woman officer told him to get out of the way as the man came toward them. Jerace didn't have much choice as the guy came toward him, he side-stepped him and kicked him in the thigh. Not used to a low kick, the man went down and his knife went flying. With him down, police jumped on him and pounded on him with the baton. Jerace was mad about it because he said none of the officers thanked him. A police spokesperson did say Jerace was instrumental in ending what could have been a bad situation.
Edit for 3/30 - Angle's wrestling with a broken neck, so this will be the second time he's defended a world title at WM with a destroyed neck. Here's an exact quote from the WM press conference -Quote:
Q. You’ve had some injuries in your career, even
before you got to WWE with your neck. Why do you still
keep going? Why do you do it?
A. "One is I get a lot of self satisfaction out of
going out there and performing in front of the fans.
Something that was missing for three years after the
Olympics. I wasn’t finished being an athlete when I
retired at the young age of 26 as an amateur wrestler.
But due to my neck injury, I didn’t think I was going
to be able to do anything else, having a broken neck
in 1996. So I let it heal for three years and not
telling Vince McMahon I had chronic neck problems,
joined the WWE and found myself in the same position
here. Throughout my career, I never told Vince until
one day I couldn’t lift my arm and that’s the time I
let the cat out of the bag. It was about four years
later. I’ve had reoccurring next injuries. I actually
have one right now. I have a broken neck, levels C7,
T1, but I continue to wrestle. Because I love it.
Because of the fans. Is it worth my health? No, but
I’m addicted to wrestling. I’ve done it my whole life.
27 years, including amateur wrestling. So I’ll
continue to wrestle as long as I can. I hate to say
it, but you see some of these old timers that can
barely walk. God forbid, but I picture myself being
like that some day, because I refuse to quit. Vince
McMahon is literally going to have to fire me in order
for me to stop wrestling. Is about the money? No, it’s
about the money. I really love to go out there and
perform for the fans and put on the best matches. I do
it most of the time if not all of the time. Shawn
Michaels calls himself the show stealer. I agree with
him. But I’m right up there with him."
Anyone doing anything big for Wrestlemania? I've got 20+ people coming over to my place for a weekend-long festival of Rasslin, videogames, food, Double Gulps, and whatnot.
This is the first year I will NOT be watching it, so nothing big planned.. I usually have parties like the one you mentioned, but this year there is just no one (including myself) interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
We used to have like 20+ Deep at Korly's for the last 4(5?) Manias. It was awesome, people got stupid, I got cross-body checked off of a sofa last year, and it was just good times.
Not this year :(
No, what I meant was, as far as wrestling weapondry "danger" goes, the sledgehammer is about the steel chair. (Makes sense, of course.) But then when you see people get hit with each, the chairshots look far, far worse, as in far more believable and actually painful. If they're going to play up the sledgehammer, and have it be far more deadly than a chair, they should try to make it actually LOOK like it is. As you said, Hunter clearly holds his hand over the end to help negate the impact, so it just looks ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Ah, I got you. When you put it that way, then yeah, the chair looks way more painful because the wrestlers can pretty much hit each other with it for reals.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Of course, even that's ruined when guys like HBK block the shot with their hands every time.
A lot of guys block it with their hands since a single chairshot is an easy way to get a concussion and cause spinal trauma.
I think you may have been hit on the head. Bret Hart's promos were hardly bad. Some of them, like the El Dandy one, are classic wrestling material. Idiots like MNM still copy it to this day (calling Psicosis Hypnosis). He also had an uncanny ability to win a match without making his opponent look like a weak idiot. He's always take a sell moves as though he was being legitimately worked down. He made HAKUSHI seem like a threat in the ring for pete's sake. Anyway, I think you're wrong but it's all opinion from here on in.Quote:
Originally Posted by omfgninjas in iraq
The Coach serves a purpose. He's the heel announcer and helps sell the heels. If Jerry Lawler would stop being a pussy and start being his old snappy self we wouldn't need The Coach either, and I'm not entirely sure what purpose Lawler serves right now either. Still, Styles is trash. Everyone from the ECW era claimed how great he was, and you can tell from his run on RAW that Styles just isn't a good announcer. He can't build anything up like Ross can and when he tries his voice goes in to some kind of high-pitched squeel that comes close to blowing out the speakers of my TV.Quote:
I feel sorry for Styles in all this, and I can't believe the fucking Coach will get a WM announcing shot over him.
I've been on a wrestling kick as of late, I can't believe it, haven't watched Raw or Smackdown for a good two years.
Picked up Raw vs. Smackdown for $1 after trading in two games. I've been enjoying that one a lot but makes me wanna dig out Fire Pro D. Bought the WWE Bret Hart dvd, the matches didn't do anything for me but interviews and stories were good. Also bought the Rise and Fall of ECW which was great. Three solid hours of ECW stories even though they skipped over a few things in my opinion but still worth a purchase for any one who enjoyed ECW. Steven Richards had a few minutes extra where he apologized for making bad decisions and I felt pretty bad for the guy because he really did fuck up and he payed for it through injuries.
Bah. Mick Foley didn't do that pussy shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
Mick also had over a dozen concussions. Blocking a STEEL CHAIR with your hands is hardly "pussy shit", it's smart, especially in an industry that's already dangerous enough without them. Here's some pretty funny Flair news from the Observer -And here I thought it was just a production goof when it was spelled like that during the HHH vid on Raw.Quote:
"Due to an on-going legal battle with Jim Crockett, WWE can no longer use the trademarked name 'Ric Flair' from this point forward. Until this matter is settled, the WWE-trademarked name, 'Rick Flair' will be used."
Are you serious? Who the fuck is Jim Crockett.
One of the bigwigs in the NWA, isn't he?
He was in his heyday. This could just be an early April Fool's joke by Meltzer playing off the Raw graphic. If it's like that at 'Mania, it's probably true. If not, it was just a joke.
Where do you see him?Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
http://www.solcomhouse.com/music.1.gif
He's in that car on the right.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
That's gotta be a joke. I'm pretty sure Jim Crockett is dead, and even if he weren't, it's pretty damn late in the game now.
Jim Crockett Sr. died 30 years ago, his son, who resumed the business, is still here.
Doesn't the "fake funeral" bit EVER fucking get old to the writers?
In other news, I am so far back in last place that I have no chance whatsoever of winning Fantasy. Jonas is like, 102 points up on me.
I tap out.
It said "Ric Flair" last night on Smackdown.
So that definitely means it was a joke. That would be a definite "miss" from Meltzer.
WRESTLEMANIA IS TODAY! IS EVERYBODY EXCITED?!?!?
Nope, I'm not either. Should be the worst one in years.
Hey, Dole, it's almost midnight on a Saturday. Shouldn't you be at work slapping some bitches?
Eddie's speech was impossible to get through without crying. Bret's should be a relief, and looking back on Gene's funny entry helps.
My interest began and ended with the HOF ceremony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
isn't eddie dead?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
Some pics from the Hall of Fame party
that's....ummmmm. really great?
lol!Quote:
- William "The Refrigerator" Perry was next, inducted by John Cena. Almost the entire building was booing John Cena, and a "Cena Sucks" chant started up. Cena remarked "It seems everyone is ready for Wrestlemania". They showed HHH on the screens, and the place popped. The crowd was not letting Cena talk, and Triple H stood up briefly at one point, resulting in chants of "Triple H" and "One More Day". The crowd then chanted "F*** You Cena" as Cena tried to do a Howard Cosell impersonation. Music started to play as Cena talked in an attempt to drown out the crowd, who were now chanting "Boring". The fans continued to boo Cena, while the screens above the stage focused on a small group of fans who were clapping for Cena.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
Guilty as charged. BTW, I have a question since most of you are die hards and should know. How many matches did the Fridge actually wrestle? Also, is it really fair to put him in the HOF before the likes of Henning or the above mentioned Owen as well as other stars?
ANd that's why Wrestling fans are so pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by omfgninjas in iraq
Vince is pacing himself. He wants one or 2 big draws a year and Owen/Henning would have been big draws. I gurantee they will be in next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Real Gonzo
I don't why it can't be enjoyable. A 6 way ladder match with RVD(great at ladder)Matt Hardy(great at ladder), Shelton(proved himself last year) Finlay(Wil bring the fight),Lashley(will prove himself this year but will not win) and FLair who wil take any bump. That right there is MOTY candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Next you got Edge and Foley. Edge needs a big win and Foley(like Flair) will take any bump. WM moment in the making.
Trish and James is coming off the best developed storyline on televised wrestling(yes I'm including TNA) and will probably be a great match.
Carlito/MAsters vs. KAne/Big SHow wil probably be a bit bland but still entertaining It will be interesting to see if the E' continues the Carlito/masters partnership(I can't see them existing together if they lose this match) or develop Kane and Big Show into a dry comedy team(If you saw last RAW then you know what I mean)
Booker/Sharmell vs. Boogeyman will be funny. Fuck you if you don't crack a smile. I'm laughing while I type this.
Benoit and JBL will be a drag out war. A lot of mat wrestling and brawling. Should be entertaining.
Taker will destroy Henry.
Micheals vs McMahon will be a spotfest. If Bret interferes the house will come down and it will be a WM moment.
Cena vs. Triple H will be one sided and boring even though the match will be entertaining. The retarded chicago fans who probably want to see CENA die in this match will kill it with their heat. Hey It's Lesnar vs. Goldberg all over again.
Last but certainly not least is Orton vs. Rey vs. Angle. This could so many ways. If Rey wins we wil probably see a Orton vs. Rey feud, If Orton wins then vice versa. However with Batista healing and eventually coming back they might forstall any Orton/rey reign and stick it on a heel ANgle and have Batista "rightfully" take it from him. Orton could win, forget Rey nd fight Batista in the "Evolution vs. Evolution" angle they wanted to use along or Rey could win, end the feud with Orton immediately after WM and enter a "face vs. face" angle with BAtista over the title.
Oh yeah there is also a pillow match.
Not a great card ,but SNME was great and they had way less.
Edit: I might as well be the first to post predictions:
Suprise match:Cruiserweight royale that will determine #1 contender when Helms come back or MNM title defense that they will win
Stone Cold/Hogan apperance
Candice wins pillow fight
James wins Women title
I don't want to say it, but Carlito/Masters tag team wil just waste their time. Kane and Big Show.
Benoit in a great match
Boogeyman.
Taker
*WHAT do you say?* ROB VAN DAM
Micheals (with Bret interference)
Edge
Triple H
Shit. uhhhh....Rey
Besides, Fridge was in the "Celebrity Wing" of the HOF.
Next year it'll be Jonathon Taylor Thomas.
kind of suprised im watching this "spectacle" tonight. my buddy who used to have 20+ (like i believe korly said) people over for EVERY ppv, hasn't gottne one since WM last year. called up and asked if i wanted to go to a bar to see it or split it at his house. so it was either spend money on food or spend money on the ppv and have free food and a smoke free environment. can't say i'm excited to see it though.
on another note, wrestlezone has commented that even this morning Vince is constantly changing match finishes and spots. guess they can't decide if they want Cena to lose the belt yet or not. i can see it going the way HHH used to be if they keep it on him. people will simply hate him for having it so long like HHH was his last couple times holding it.
message is too short......yeah right.Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
I don't see any other story in TNA and WWE that was better nahdled than the Mickie JAmes stuff. Yes they dragged it a little to culminate it at SNME, but the angle and promo's after were awesome. Mickie kidnapping Ashley, kissing Trish with her own blood all over her face and the creepy "Trish Shrine".
Yeah it's a fight between 2 chicks but that doesn't make it any less enjoyable. Name a better feud running right now on TNA or WWE. Rey and Orton comes close, but that's it.
Here's some big (and sad) news on wrestling's biggest day. I'm sure many Puerto Rican rookies are breathing a sigh of relief though. - from the WO site.Quote:
Victor Quinones, the owner of IWA Puerto Rico, was found dead this morning at the age of 46. Quinones was at the IWA show last night and nothing appeared out of the ordinary. Police are at the home right now and have said it was a death of natural causes, believed to be in his sleep.
I feel sorry for Cena because it isn't his fault he's being pushed like a boring super hero "undefeatable" character, it's the writing and bookers. Wrestlemania should have been Edge (champ) vs. Cena. Triple H vs. Cena is so underwhelming. They should have saved it for Summerslam or next years Wrestlemania.Quote:
Originally Posted by omfgninjas in iraq
They'll have their day. It seems odd to put him in the HOF, but oh well. It's not really a big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Real Gonzo
I think Ric Flair's going to win the ladder match. I forgot to change my picks, but I think he's going to win.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8600/24388787ct.jpg I would so bang her.
Oh and Taker beat henry, RVD won(What the fuck did I say?) JBL won(Shocker)
Edit: SO far it's been so so. The matches have been average(except MITB and Edge/Foley) but the backstage stuff is fucking gold.
I really want to see the Dibiase-Eugene bit.
so we'll be seeing Mark Henry on friday right?
from the description (my buddy japped out at the last minute so i'm not watching it) it sounded like the Foley/Edge match was pretty brutal (a barbed wire socko!?) with Edge winning like usual.
kind of suprised at the HBK win....even moreso with the "DX chop"
and Rey won.....
http://www.wwe.com/content/media/tou...images/2438894
Holy Shit.
Micheals won his match and REY MYYYYYYSTERRIO Jr. is you New WWE CHAMPION.
Amazingly Rey got booed. ANd CENA is getting booed during his warm-up. SOmeone tell the crowd they are not funny.
Off-topic: I am getting a hell of a buzz right now and hopefully I'll be fuly drunk tonight but not before the end of WM
Barb wire socko? Good to see Foley bring that back. From Meltzer's report, it seems like SD once again got fucked on the 'Mania main event as they didn't get time, and didn't go on lost, which they SHOULD have since the match involved the Rumble winner.
That was insane. WHo said Edge wasn't willing to bleed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
The flaming table spot on the WWE.com main page looks awesome, and REY MADE HISTORY. YAY. It's impossible to hate HHH after seeing this -
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/3...ofkings4ym.jpg
has he ever in a main event? eveyone i've seen it's been the other person. color me impressed. i'll admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
RVD using the MitB tonight? :link:
holy shit...did he REALLY come out looking like Conan or is that from a video package? and did they play his new music yet?
OH MY FUCKING GOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
The King of Kings Has returned. Cena is doomed.
Didn't they do something similar with Cena at Royal Rumble
Edit: He still has the fucking water bottle LOL
an entrance like that would have made more sense if he was out with an injury for a long time. this is just bizzare.
This is a WM moment.
Actually there has been like 4 tonight. MITB match, Edge and Foley ending, Micheals splash from the ladder and finally this.
so i just read at wrestlezone the finally DID demo HHH's new music. it was supposed to be by Disturbed.
LOL Cena comes out like AL CAPONE. These are the funniest entrances I have ever seen.
The water bottle makes me laugh too, avatar. It also makes for a great avatar, ironically. CM Punk is apparently a gangster in Cena's entrance. Sweet.
Yeah they played it, but also played a little bit of his old song. I'm not really sure which song is official for him now on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
i know somebody else recorded a new track for the Big Show but i have no idea when they'll play that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
They may have played it tonight. I missed his entrance.
I hope Rey dies so he can hang with Eddy.
CENA WON! MY MASTER PLAN IS IN EFFECT!
Well you know even a King of Kings needs his daily regulated 8 glasses of water.
KEKEKEKEQuote:
Originally Posted by Me A Month AGO ILALB!
He got mixed reactions (Angle was super over) until he pinned Orton. The crowd went nuts when he finally won. I'm really surprised, but it's probably for the best given how much they dragged Eddy's name through the mud to get him there.Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
They are funny. Cena's reaction and win was okay, but the crowd made the match. The best was when Cena and Triple H were in a punch exchange and the crowd boo'ed everytime Cena landed and cheered everytime Triple H landed. Definitely a bizarre match.Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
I think they're going to make Cena a heel face. He's going to be such a face people go on with hating him.
Wrestlemania was pretty good. Michaels owned the fuck out of McMahon.Quote:
Off-topic: I am getting a hell of a buzz right now and hopefully I'll be fuly drunk tonight but not before the end of WM
CENA won. via tap. The internet has cracked open.
When I saw this I couldn't stop laughing. It was too awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
Flaming table spot finish. Edge was SHAKING uncontrollably and his eye was full of blood at the end of the match. It was crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
He didn't turn heel. You were wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chux
Matter of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
He NEEDS to, or... I dunno, he just needs to.
He needs to go back to the more freestyle like rhymes and get back his badass attitude.
I don't think they're going to, as mentioned above with my heel face explanation. They're going to let the fans boo him all they want, but he'll remain broken, confused and triumphant. Like WWE WANTS them to boo him for this angle to work. That match with Triple H and him was INSANELY over (not Rock - Hogan but as close as its been since). WWE will make it so that Cena wins, and trucks on even though he's being booed.
I approve of this course of action, should it come to pass, because nobody has really done anything like it before.
Rey getting booed was weird, they should make him a heel.
Rey getting booed = the people in Chi-Town have no idea. Its not weird its dumb as sh*t.
He said that he asked them to stop the freestyle stuff, he didn't want to do it anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
As for Rey getting boo'd good. Nobody gives a flying fuck that your friend died and you got a mania shot because of it. Think about it. You earn your shit, you win the belt = Awesome. A Wrestler that shares your race dies, you get a shot = Lame.
Yeah I fucking said it.
What the fuck was that Al Capone shit? If they were going to pull that they should have atleast thrown in a bunch of Untouchables quotes. And to think that's probably the only time you'll see CM Punk at a Wrestlemania.
Not to say that Triple H's Conan was any better.
LOL Wrestlemania goes Hollywood was last year retards.
Rey earned the world title match and made history by winning the gold. I'm happy that Rey won, but I know he's just a transitional champion. I'd say that Batista's injury is more the cause for Rey's run than Eddie's death, because without Batista's injury, we would've had Orton-Batista.
Fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy
No Rey won the belt because ever since he joined the WWE. Everyone has said noone that short has ever won the World championship. Plus his career from his Lucha Libre days in the Mexican leagues, his ECW, and WCW run earned him that shot. Not because of some gay ass storyline. He earned it.
Whatever dude. He wasn't even factored in it til he died. THEN he got knocked out at the Rumble. Prove me wrong.
Rey had been in SD main events before Eddie died, and while it's true that there was a time that Rey didn't even have a match for WM, WWE saw that there was money to be made in him winning, and did it. He sells a lot of merchandise and is in the Steamboat role as someone the fans cannot possibly boo. Rey earned this win through over a decade of sacrifices, and it would be a shame for someone who revolutionized wrestling like he did to not win a world title. Now he's holding the same title Eddie would have held if he'd lived, and it's great to see him on top of the world with the World strap while men who held him down in WCW are on indy shows in front of 200 people.
I agree with EVERYTHING you said, but the timing is 100% wrong. It was give a mexican a belt night at WM and his stepped up.
No, if that was the case, a Mexicool would have won. It was "give Rey the belt because he's a draw" night.
A mexicool didn't sign up.
Cause Triple H needed to come back and be a factor for the WWE belt on Raw. WWE has for a whole year made SD a non-factor in the WWE BIG PPV shows.
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So glad that got on-line.
lol hawt.
I have a theory I've been throwing at Jonas for the past 2 months or so that Vince McMahon came in to a windfall of costume chests and ever since has been hell bent on using them. Goldust in the Oprah suit, the Pirate, the Spirit Squad, Mama Benjamin's moomoo, Boogeyman, MNM's coats, Bookers "wife" wearing a tiara, and now all of this capone/barbarian shit.Quote:
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I was joking when I originally said it, but now through exposure I think it's becoming a workable theory.
Sounds about right.
Rey had a loose relation with Eddy inside WWE, and was Mexican. Chux is right. I'm glad he won, and I think it makes Smackdown 10x more interesting (Angle was boring), but lets not pretend he won it because of anything other than a cash in on Eddy's death.Quote:
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They should play off Rey's boos tonight by having him turn heel on Smackdown by screaming "Fuck Eddie Guerrero!"
Loose relation? They had the hottest feud of '05 on SD. Rey would have won the title at some point due to how over he was, Eddie's passing (and Batista's injury) just hastened the process.Quote:
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The stars aligned for him. Well I can't complain, Smackdown's title picture just got a hell of a lot more interesting. I was surprised by Triple H's tap out. I wish they'd ended the match with the FU, but oh well. I was just happy with how hot Cena's making the crowd.Quote:
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When did you become such a complete fucking asshole?Quote:
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What do you mean Rey made history killing the most popular mexican? Who did he kill?
Give a mexican a belt night?
And you hope Rey dies? Why?
Why do you think that Rey was undeserving of a title shot? Is there someone who deserves it more? Rey worked hard for 16 years and is one of the very few wrestlers who you can say made a revolutionary impact on the sport. When I first started turning on Monday Nitro it was only to see the nWo, and I would almost always turn the channel if it wasn't an nWo segment. However, one day I caught Rey on the opening match of a nitro on some night that RAW was pre-emted or something, and was totally blown away. I used to tell everyone I knew (who watched wrestling anyway) about this little dude who would fly around like nothing I'd ever seen before. The only wrestler I'd ever seen do anything like that was this dude called Battle Kat who only wrestled like 3 times on WWF Prime Time wrestling way back in like '88 or something. And he was probably a lot shittier than I remember, he was just so unlike the other guys at the time that he really stuck out to me. Anyway, I know that the lucha-style had been introduced in America about a year or two earlier in ECW (and by Mysterio and Guerrero for that matter) but Rey is the first one who made a worldwide audience really stand up and take notice. It didn't take long for him to become a relatively major player either having a few memorable feuds with the nWo including a classic match against Kevin Nash, and a program against the Giant. By the time he made it to WWE, he had gone through a few major knee surgeries, and the specialness of his lucha style had worn off quite a bit (Rey opened the doors for a flood of lucha talent in the years after he debuted, including a very underwhelming mexican division in the then-WWF with guys like Cibernetico) but it took him no time at all to get to the top of the Smackdown pile.
In fact, his match against Kurt Angle at Summerslam 2002 is easily in the top 5 Summerslam matches of all time, and shows how completely awesome a one on one title match with Angle would've been as a 'mania main event. Rey and Angle have a storied rivalry whose legacy consists of classic match after classic match, and even with Ortons unnecessary insertion tonights match will only add to that legacy. Luckily Rey pinned Orton in the match, so we can have an actual one-on-one match between him and Angle in the very near future.
You should probably stop taking wrestling and the Internet so seriously.
It's not funny, and it's not true. And even if it were true, why would it be funny? I know this is the internet, but how are you people such completely insensitive jerks? This is real life we are talking about here, and real loss. The loss of a father, a husbaund, a friend, a hero, etc. Just because real life happens to intersect with professional wrestling at this juncture, doesn't make it less real.Quote:
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So how much of what people like you talk about should I take seriously? If you aren't serious about what you say, why bother saying it?Quote:
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I'm not getting my panties in a bunch over someone criticising the merit of Boogeymans worm gimmick, or Burchills pirate getup, or whether or not CM Punk should get a push. We're talking about life and death and the validity of someones life achievement.
Eddie died in November. Rey won a world title shot in January. Coincidence or not, the facts are there, and people are allowed to connect the two events. It's not heartless to do so, even if Chux's words aren't exactly politically correct.
I'm surprised you're this defensive and passionate about a product that made fun of how Eddie won't come back to life to save Rey from losing, mentioned that Rey should stop praying because Eddie is in hell, and had Eddie's car set on fire.
And I'm especially bothered by the fact that I'm reading some completely vile things written by a man who I know in real life to be a generally good person, and I wonder what would posess someone to turn like that.
Maybe sometimes people lose sight of the fact that we're not talking about Jack Bauer or Clark Kent here. We're not talking about "wrestling characters" either. We're talking about real people with real grief. And real reasons to grieve.
I'm not defending that. I thnk it's tasteless and downright mean the way that WWE have used Eddies death in their storylines. I have slowly been losing any respect I may have had for the McMahon family in the last few years, and this year in particular really set the bar low for their level of class. But why am I surprised by it? What they did to Melanie Pillman was shockingly classless.Quote:
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On the other hand, the McMahons are doing MUCH more for the Guerrero family then they did for any previous wrestler who passed away. Just the memorial T-Shirt alone (the full proceeds of every memorial shirt sold goes to the Eddies wife and kids) will go a very long way to helping Vickie and the kids, and just recently WWE added a second color of the shirt, and even a youth sized shirt so that the family will see even more revenue. And that's not "WWE Cashing in" because they're not getting a dime from those product sales.
Keeping Eddies life in the public eye is going to do more good for the family then anything else because it keeps people interested in doing things like buying the t-shirt that will support Eddies widow.
I truly believe that the McMahons have their heart in the right place here, but their minds are so screwed up from living in the "wrestling bubble" for so long that they don't have a working moral compass anymore.
And yes, Eddie died in November, and Rey got a title shot in January.
January is when the Royal Rumble takes place. Someone always gets a title shot in January, regardless of whether or not there are significant deaths in the month prior.
Now, before I read all of this appaling garbage on here, I originally logged on to TNL to talk about WM 22, and "talk" I shall.
Wrestlemania really surprised me. I thought for sure that it would be the worst of the modern Wrestlemanias, but I was very wrong.
The show started predictably, and boringly with a Kane/Show title retention. The only surprise here was that Carlito and Masters didn't come to blows after the match? Does this mean they'll get a rematch on RAW, and then have their big split after losing there? The match was totally fine, it didn't drag on too long, but there was no drama since the outcome was never in question.
From there, we went to Money in the Bank II. I expected this one to be a LOT worse than last years, but I was wrong. I still think it's a notch or two below, but some great spots like Sheltons see-saw ladder tope, RVDs weird flying vandaminator thing, and Sheltons spiderman-esque ladder hop made it a very strong contest. It was a good idea to get Flair out of there early, as he would've looke very out of place through most of those big spots. And it gave the crowd really good reason to believe that he'd come back and win it. Kudos to RVD, and I'm kinda surprised they didn't have him come out at the end of the night to beat Cena, and send the crowd home happy. Good to have a new guy at the top though.
The worst, and most predictable match of the night was the casket match. The only way they could've saved this one is by having Muhammad Hassan jump out of the casket and cause Undertaker to get his first 'mania loss, but I knew that wouldn't happen.
We got a new US champ in a standard Friday Night match, and the good here being that Benoit chasing the belt has proven to be entertaining in the past. And if Benoit retained, who was he gonna defend it against anyway? Orlando?
Match of the Night time as Foley and Edge silence the critics with an absolute Wrestlemania classic! The barbed wire mandible claw on Lita was completely fucking sick, Edges facials were out of this world, and the final spear into flaming table bump is gonna be on video packages FOREVER. Lita was great with her look of shock for the rest of the match after getting the barbed claw, and Edge had an amazing, undescribable look on his face after his "victory". I wonder what's next for Edge on RAW?
The boogeyman match was really short, and Booker was really funny. The real gold in this segment comes from the walk through the back that Booker and Sharmell made where they ran into Burchill shadow-swashbuckling, Snitzky licking Mae Youngs toes(!), Ted Dibiase kicking the ball away from Eugene at 99, and... Oprah-dust? Even the match itself was leagues ahead of the Casket match drek.
Mickie and Trish disappointed me because they built this storyline up for a LONG time, and I thought that they'd tear the house down as it isn't too often that an actual wrestling match between two competent females gets such a featured spot. I knew Mickey would retain, and the rug muncher spot was... interesting, but it looks like the match started to fall apart after Trish hurt her knee. I hope she'll be ok soon, as Mickey will need someone to wrestle to make the belt worth anything. Still a good match, and it was better than the tag title (but not the US title) match, but I expected more.
And as far as defied expectations go, here's your runner up for match of the night. HBK and Vince tore the fucker up in their no holds barred match surpassing two previous McMahon classics (Vince vs Shane WM 17, and Vince vs HHH Armageddon). Shawn was spot on, and acted exaclty like someone who's been fucked with like his character has been in the last 3 months should. Even Spirit Squad had some cool spots. HBK mauled Shane with the kendo stick, and the crotch chopping jump off the 500 ft tall ladder was AWESOME. Again, it'll be very interesting (especially in light of HHHs crotch chops later in the night) where they take his character next.
A lot has been said here about Rey winning the title, but the match was still damn good. Reys "Azteca" getup as he made his way down the ramp made him look even smaller than the 5 foot nothing he actually is. I thought it was a very cool look for him though. The spot in the beginning where Angle suplexed Rey and Orton at the same time, and Rey went flying was pretty hot. And shortly afterwards when Angle slid Rey all the way out of the ring and up to the steel ramp was SICK. I also thought it was great that Rey pinned Orton so Orton can move on to something else, and Rey and Angle can get the singles match that they deserved to have at 'mania. Also, Batista got in Ortons face in a pre-match interview, so maybe Batista could be back soon to finally start the Evolution vs Evolution feud we've been wanting to see.
The pillow fight was rubbish, and we've already seen both girls completely naked, so the little skin we saw tonight wasn't terribly exciting. Chloe doing the stinkface to Candice was pretty funny though. It's hilarious that Candice had to rush to cover herself up after losing the match, as not 2 minutes prior she was doing her little godaddy dance in the exact same amount of undress. Also, SHE'S IN FUCKING PLAYBOY! Why should she act shy about her body all of the sudden?
The main even was decent (but match wise not as good as the Smackdown main) but the entrances were the GREATEST THING THAT HAVE EVER HAPPENED AT A WRESTLING EVENT ANYWHERE, AND FOR ALL TIME. Imagine my distress when Voltz got the avatar before me! And I am gonna beg Mr Whitefolks to make me an animated gif of HHH the Barbarian coming out of the ground in that throne of his. I can't believe no one on TNL mentioned the electric green skeleton and the Monty Python-esque stock footage in that video. And that's to say nothing of the bouncing, animated skeleton head that opened the video. Fucking unreal. I've never laughed so much in my entire life, and if I don't get a HHH the Barbarian video game/novel/comic some day, my life will have ended incomplete. And what the hell was up with the gangsters? I thought they were gonna shoot Triple H or something, but they just disappeared. Is WWE comparing Cena to Al Capone? Are they saying murderous gangsters are cool? Well, at least he didn't go all "Scarface" on us. I really thought they'd make HHH lose by passing out, but I was surprised to see a tapout. I'm guessing this feud continues for another month or two, but I'm not convinced that Cena will go heel. Also, the crowd was electric for this.
Great Wrestlemania, and I'm really glad I got to watch it as it happened, instead of waiting until tomorrow and downloading it.