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Stevie needs to go.
I can easily say that I have not been entertained by him ONCE in the WWF/E.Quote:
Originally posted by Ashen Victor
Stevie needs to go.
First sentence of the second paragraph has me saying that she ISN'T a bad worker, not she isn't a good performer. I'm saying that while it COULD happen to Benoit or Angle it rarely, ever does, if ever.Quote:
Originally posted by Ashod
First off, what new moves does Victoria do in every match? You make it sound like she's Kanyon or something. In fact, much like Trish, Victoria basically wrestles the same basic match every time out. Though there's nothing wrong with that, since most wrestlers in the company do that.
Second, of course the women's division got better when Victoria came along... I mean, it never hurts to have extra wrestlers in a division. This one is a no-brainer.
And I think it's rather silly to say Trish isn't a good performer because she stepped on a gimmicked mirror in that one match... that kind of accident could have happened just as easily to a Kurt Angle or Chris Benoit. Also, there's no crime in doing trademark moves in every match. All the male wrestlers do it. You gotta make the crowd pop, right? It's a standard wrestling thing.
There's nothing wrong with doing trademark moves or 'spots', but Trish seems to do them continually, linking them together for minutes on end.
Trish is a good worker, but ever since Victoria joined the league has suped up its work rate, and it's not just 'because there's another body to work with'. I credit it to Victoria and Fit Finlay.
I agree, but pants are needed.Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
To hell with pants. Someone wax that man's back.
Albert gets heat, but he'll never get totally over with his look, heel or not. He could derail Mysterio though a table and put him out for six weeks and the first thing I'll think of the next week is his back hair. Back hair does not a monster heel make.
dittoQuote:
Originally posted by TobalRox
I can easily say that I have not been entertained by him ONCE in the WWF/E.
I saw him in a good dark match once before Raw a few years ago...Quote:
Originally posted by TobalRox
I can easily say that I have not been entertained by him ONCE in the WWF/E.
that was years ago...this is now. That's like me telling my boss I was a good worker years ago right before he fires me for being a dickhead.
Worker, performer, sports entertainer, superstar, etc... all fancy ways of saying: wrestler. It's all the same thing.Quote:
First sentence of the second paragraph has me saying that she ISN'T a bad worker, not she isn't a good performer.
It rarely happens because Benoit and Angle usually don't fight over which one of them is prettier, so a mirror wouldn't come into play in one of their matches. The point is, a gimmicked item of any kind either getting in the way, or being used incorrectly during a garbage match doesn't mean shit.Quote:
I'm saying that while it COULD happen to Benoit or Angle it rarely, ever does, if ever.
Congratulations, you just described every wrestling match ever.Quote:
There's nothing wrong with doing trademark moves or 'spots', but Trish seems to do them continually, linking them together for minutes on end.
Fit Finlay works with all the ladies, not just Victoria, so his efforts effects all of them. And it wasn't just Victoria that made the womens division better, it was feud between a strong heel (Victoria) and a strong face (Trish) that made things exciting.Quote:
Trish is a good worker, but ever since Victoria joined the league has suped up its work rate, and it's not just 'because there's another body to work with'. I credit it to Victoria and Fit Finlay.
Ashod, sports entertainer is a bit of a different way of saying wrestler. A sports entertainer, in my opinion, is more like a Hogan or Steiner, who gets over more with a certain persona than with wrestling talent.
Hey, to me it's all the same thing. WWE certainly tosses the term around like all of their superstars are "sports entertainers". I think some wrestlers like Hogan need to do extra things like promos and "hulking up" to get the crowd into their matches. And others like a Benoit sell like crazy and use all kinds of crazy and intense facial expressions during their matches to get the crowd excited. But in the end, they're all doing the same thing.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy
Ashod, sports entertainer is a bit of a different way of saying wrestler. A sports entertainer, in my opinion, is more like a Hogan or Steiner, who gets over more with a certain persona than with wrestling talent.
True, true. Just giving you my take on the meaning of the term.
Yeah, I know. Now stop browsing TNL and go watch the rest of Raw. I thing Goldberg's about to come out. :whoa:Quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy
True, true. Just giving you my take on the meaning of the term.
Rock > Christian > Goldberg > Jeff Hardy
They could have just left Hardy completely out of that segment and given someone better the rub from Rocky. Making the girls scream for 2 seconds is important, don't get me wrong, but at least let Rock wrestle someone who matters.
Hey, that's what I tell my boss to keep my job now...don't screw things up for me :cool:Quote:
Originally posted by Lordmrw
that was years ago...this is now. That's like me telling my boss I was a good worker years ago right before he fires me for being a dickhead.
Wahoo, I marked out for the Diesel theme, and Nash looked more motivated than he had been in years.
Yeah, totally, he kicked 2 people.
Don't let Trish's total disregard for her own safety fool you into thinking she's a good wrestler. If you want to see some women who can bump and wrestle their asses off, you should watch some joshi. You'll never find the WWE women's division entertaining again.
big daddy tool came back. wee. and raw was shit again. if they're not going to bother anymore they might as well go that extra mile and rename the show Nitro. it's bound to happen anyway.
Raw = ** out of *****
man i was just hoping for nash to hurt himself. that entrance theme sucks.
Christian is the bomb though, I'd like him to get more of a push.
Great match with Jazz and Trish, some stiff moves, and Trish hit a sweet looking thesz press off the apron.
I hope they don't take JR off of Raw, I don't know if I can stand listening to the Coach every week.
are you serious, korian? JR is annoying as hell. he nearly goes into a heart attack or a seizure whenever something happens. "oh my god, king! oh my god! did you just see that?!" i really like the way coach commentates. he sounds like a sports commentator.
as for kevin nash's entrance music, it really does suck. it reminded me a lot of the theme music from the show "roseanne."
Yeah Nash, I really like JR and the King on Raw, but with that said, JR isn't as good as he was some years ago.
Nash's entrance theme is Diesel's old music, it wasn't that great to begin with.
Tae-bo kick! That's fuckin' funny. :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by FighterX
Exactly. She comes back with the Tae-bo kick that everyone jobs to.
Normally, I'm not too into Trish's looks, but for some reason she looked about 1000x hotter than normal last night. I think she toned down the make-up or something...wow.
Nash shoulda came out to the Wolfpac music. Anyway, he looked like he lost a ton of weight. Anyone else wince every time he moved, waiting for him to tear yet another muscle...?
Goldberg looked smaller then he used to, especially standing next to The Rock. You know, it's Goldy's second week in the company and already it's lost it's "wow" factor to me...mainly because, with the inept WWE bookers, I know he'll be fueding with Christopher Nowilinski in a month like Scott Steiner is now. I hope they don't fuck this up too. Oh, and I think his new skull biker tatoo on his right bicep looks pretty dumb-ass.
Rock is god. Man, I'll miss him when he leaves after Backlash...
Saw the new Playboy with Torrie. MAN, do her tits look fake! Her left nipple is completely off-center! And the worst part is that she didn't even NEED implants! She was big enough before. Now her boobs looks like misshapen, over-inflated beach balls. *sigh*
I'm getting a kick out of Golddust lately. I'm sure it'll get old quick, though.
I can't think of a more akward, unnatural couple than Trish and Jeff Hardy. Jeff and Rico are better suited for each other. With that goo Jeff smears all over himself before his matches they won't even need any lube.
Christian is good. The man deserves a push.
I don't understand why people don't like the Rock.Quote:
Originally posted by Dolemite
Rock is god. Man, I'll miss him when he leaves after Backlash...
Saw the new Playboy with Torrie. MAN, do her tits look fake! Her left nipple is completely off-center! And the worst part is that she didn't even NEED implants! She was big enough before. Now her boobs looks like misshapen, over-inflated beach balls. *sigh*
And yea, Torries boobers did not look good.
Ha ha, you're right. However, they removed the fun "HONK HONK" that used to play before it...Quote:
Originally posted by Nash
as for kevin nash's entrance music, it really does suck. it reminded me a lot of the theme music from the show "roseanne."
Is it me or is Rock's tatoo expanding more? Last time I saw it was only up to his shoulder. I mean its a cool tatoo and all but he looks close to having it too big and looking stupid.
"Speaking of Goldberg, there are reports that Goldberg and "Y2J" Chris Jericho got into a real backstage fight after Raw last night. The two were involved in a heated conversation about their time spent in WCW, mainly how Goldberg had stated that he didn't want to work with Jericho. Eventually, the talk turned to punches as the two started brawling and rolling around on the floor. Trainers broke the fight up before either could be hurt. Any further developments will be reported when they surface."
Credit: 1wrestling.com
If I were Jericho, I'd be pissed too. Not only did Goldberg refuse to work with him in WCW, but he comes in and gets pushed five times harder than Jericho has after 4 years of loyal and hard work.
WWE 2003 = WCW 2000
In three months, after Goldie gets buried by H, they'll be laughing about this at the bar.
Yeah, it's up to his traps now. He must have added to it. It looks cool, but if it gets any bigger it'll be too much. I can assume it'll be a pain in the ass to cover up for when he does movies. Then again, Johnny Depp has millions of tatoos and you never see them in any of his movies, either...good make-up work, there.Quote:
Originally posted by Will
Is it me or is Rock's tatoo expanding more? Last time I saw it was only up to his shoulder. I mean its a cool tatoo and all but he looks close to having it too big and looking stupid.
I heard about that. It figures, less than a month with the company and Goldy gets into a fistfight with someone. And Jericho is supposed to be considered a "really nice guy" backstage. I winder what's going to happen when Triple H and 'Berg cross paths?Quote:
Originally posted by Hot Like Wasabi
Speaking of Goldberg, there are reports that Goldberg and "Y2J" Chris Jericho got into a real backstage fight after Raw last night.
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Originally posted by Korian
I hope they don't take JR off of Raw, I don't know if I can stand listening to the Coach every week.
Yeah, what will Raw be like without JR spasming on the floor, screaming out, "My god, he just got broken in half! He will never be the same again!"
true, too true, but now there is no other viable platform to watch, itcompetition really did help wrestling, now the wwe seems to be coasting on its monopoly.Quote:
Originally posted by Masters
WWE 2003 = WCW 2000
The word wasn't the point, man, I was pointing out that you basically just agreed with me. Trish isn't a bad worker, I agree.Quote:
Originally posted by Ashod
Worker, performer, sports entertainer, superstar, etc... all fancy ways of saying: wrestler. It's all the same thing.
Not mirror, but spots in general. She seems to mess up quite a few of them. No woman wrestler has ever NOT blown spots and such. The match was Survivor Series was an actual match worth watching and I'm sure the end would have been cool if they had used the mirror. Instead they ended it with a suplex... wow, anti-climatic.Quote:
It rarely happens because Benoit and Angle usually don't fight over which one of them is prettier, so a mirror wouldn't come into play in one of their matches. The point is, a gimmicked item of any kind either getting in the way, or being used incorrectly during a garbage match doesn't mean shit.
Yes, because all Benoit and Angle did at their Rumble match of 2003 was german suplex's, followed by an Ankle lock, the crossface, a headbutt, and angle slam and then it ended, right?Quote:
Congratulations, you just described every wrestling match ever.
Or Jerichos match on RAW against HBK and Booker with HHH on his side. He only did the walls of jericho with the lionsault. Nothing else. It's every match.
Womens wrestling, at least on the latest RAW, has been more trademark moves than anything else. Atleast with Victoria she seems to do newer things. (aka the springboard, sending Trish's face into the trashcan at Survivor series).
I'm not saying that Trish is a bad worker, but simply that Victoria is better. I suppose it's all a matter of opinion and taste.
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Fit Finlay works with all the ladies, not just Victoria, so his efforts effects all of them. And it wasn't just Victoria that made the womens division better, it was feud between a strong heel (Victoria) and a strong face (Trish) that made things exciting.
I never said he didn't train Trish, but she is new and is in front of where Trish took two years to get too. That says Victoria has talent. Finlay is creditted with getting ALL the women better, as I states.
I'm not denying this.
Andrew, of course matches are going to be filled with trademark moves on Raw, the matches there (barring main events) aren't given any time.
In the end, you're right.Quote:
Originally posted by Ashod
Hey, to me it's all the same thing. WWE certainly tosses the term around like all of their superstars are "sports entertainers". I think some wrestlers like Hogan need to do extra things like promos and "hulking up" to get the crowd into their matches. And others like a Benoit sell like crazy and use all kinds of crazy and intense facial expressions during their matches to get the crowd excited. But in the end, they're all doing the same thing.
It's just the way they go about doing it that differenciates. Sports Entertainer means they have more charisma, and get the crowd over with their mic skills and acting ability. People like Benoit and Guerrero get the crowd working through their amazing ability to put on great singles matches and make their opponents look good. (through covering their errors and such)
That's typically the difference, but it all has the same effect. (Sports entertainer usually is on a grander scale (Rock - Hogan - Austin)
Ahh, great point that I forgot about.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy
Andrew, of course matches are going to be filled with trademark moves on Raw, the matches there (barring main events) aren't given any time.
But a good worker wouldn't fit all of their trademark moves into the match (aka, Benoit not doing the headbutt every match). The main problem with my arguement is that I'm comparing the steak (Benoit, Angle, Guerrero) to the hamburger (Victoria and Trish) which I shouldn't be doing, really.
That sounded backwards... uhh...
My god yes. It's so cheesy for god sakes. Did anybody else notice he looked like a country bumpkin? Baggy jeans, tight shirt, long hair, red sneakers....Quote:
Originally posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
man i was just hoping for nash to hurt himself. that entrance theme sucks.
Weird...
His segment with The Rock was funny. The knocking, the autograph name, etc. Christian is entertaining. I think he should work on his attitude in the ring and interact more with the crowd.Quote:
Originally posted by Kidnemo
Christian is the bomb though, I'd like him to get more of a push.
I think the real reason is that his physique is too small though, since big men always get the pushes...
The Rock is very entertaining.Quote:
Originally posted by Dolemite
Tae-bo kick! That's fuckin' funny. :lol:
Normally, I'm not too into Trish's looks, but for some reason she looked about 1000x hotter than normal last night. I think she toned down the make-up or something...wow.
Nash shoulda came out to the Wolfpac music. Anyway, he looked like he lost a ton of weight. Anyone else wince every time he moved, waiting for him to tear yet another muscle...?
Goldberg looked smaller then he used to, especially standing next to The Rock. You know, it's Goldy's second week in the company and already it's lost it's "wow" factor to me...mainly because, with the inept WWE bookers, I know he'll be fueding with Christopher Nowilinski in a month like Scott Steiner is now. I hope they don't fuck this up too. Oh, and I think his new skull biker tatoo on his right bicep looks pretty dumb-ass.
Rock is god. Man, I'll miss him when he leaves after Backlash...
Saw the new Playboy with Torrie. MAN, do her tits look fake! Her left nipple is completely off-center! And the worst part is that she didn't even NEED implants! She was big enough before. Now her boobs looks like misshapen, over-inflated beach balls. *sigh*
I'm getting a kick out of Golddust lately. I'm sure it'll get old quick, though.
I can't think of a more akward, unnatural couple than Trish and Jeff Hardy. Jeff and Rico are better suited for each other. With that goo Jeff smears all over himself before his matches they won't even need any lube.
Christian is good. The man deserves a push.
I love Goldust, his matches are a little bit slower paced and I can understand the fans not being in to it, but someone like me who doesn't mind slower paced matches can watch it. His gimmick is hilarious, and it is over with the crowd. (most partially, me)
Christian is awesome.
Goldberg is boring, his mouth movements look stupid. What is he? I mean, first Nash now him, he SERIOUSLY looked like a country bumpkin with that stupid tuke on with the bags and the harley davidson biker gear, ugh.
Him and Jericho got in to a confrontation backstage, apparently they were arguing about the comments Goldberg made in WCW about Jericho being too small. Little does he know Jericho is actually the longest Undisputed Championship holder with more talent in his hand then Goldberg has got in his body.
Wrestling talent, that is, not strength.
yeah goldberg looked a helluva lot slimmer.....at least in the arms.
no it's not.Quote:
His gimmick is hilarious, and it is over with the crowd.
HHH will punk him out like Jericho. at least i'd like to see that happen.Quote:
I winder what's going to happen when Triple H and 'Berg cross paths?
my reasoning behind hating him is because i generally only like heels. Rock as a face was just boring, and Rock as a face now is a lot more interesting. like with Flair, i couldn't stand him trying to be the good guy gm for raw. but now he's ripping off masks from little kids and making them cry! heels = great.Quote:
I don't understand why people don't like the Rock.
Victoria's come a long way from being one of the Godfather's hos. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Andrew
I'm not saying that Trish is a bad worker, but simply that Victoria is better. I suppose it's all a matter of opinion and taste.
Eh, Goldberg never really had huge arms to begin with. He was all shoulders and traps. I guess we'll see how big he really is when he takes off the chessy Harley-Davidson "I think I'm a biker because I ride with Eric Bischoff" tank tops.Quote:
Originally posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
yeah goldberg looked a helluva lot slimmer.....at least in the arms.
Yeah, it'd be awesome if they did an angle where Nash got a mullet and started shooting up Crank backstage before his matches.Quote:
Originally posted by Andrew
My god yes. It's so cheesy for god sakes. Did anybody else notice he looked like a country bumpkin? Baggy jeans, tight shirt, long hair, red sneakers....
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Originally posted by Ashen Victor
no it's not.
I'm afraid you're wrong. Goldust has gotten laughs consistently with his backstage efforts for the past year or so. He is not a serious competitor but rather a comical one, much lime Gran Niniwa or Curryman in puro.
I don't expect Goldust to be a main eventer, but he does his job and plays his role well.
I believe a straw hat and overalls would be in order. *gasp* He could be the new Hillbilly jim!Quote:
Originally posted by Dolemite
Yeah, it'd be awesome if they did an angle where Nash got a mullet and started shooting up Crank backstage before his matches.
Hillbilly Nash. Ahh! My god, we should be on the WWE writing staff.
i'm sure he gets laughs, but his new gimmick is shit and not close to hilarious.Quote:
I'm afraid you're wrong. Goldust has gotten laughs consistently with his backstage efforts for the past year or so.
Curry Man would take Goldust to the cleaners anyday of the week!Quote:
Originally posted by Andrew
...but rather a comical one, much lime Gran Niniwa or Curryman in puro.
I think that Goldie is fairly over, he gets decent pops, and has been getting the "lolz" when he busts out his unique brand of funnies.
It's pretty weak in and of itself but in the right situations (like the Test and Stacy thing) it's pretty funny. I also liked how Bischoff had his little Austin welcome party one night, and Golddust pulled up for no apparent reason.Quote:
Originally posted by Ashen Victor
i'm sure he gets laughs, but his new gimmick is shit and not close to hilarious.
One of two things happened in the Nathan Jones match:
He hurt Demont.
or.
He is incredibly horrible in the ring.
He is horrible in the ring. He had to have SCOTT STEINER carry him to a good match when Steiner won the WWA title. SD was good thanks to Benoit and Rhyno. Oh, and I hope O'Haire gets a rub from Piper. And was it just me, or did O'Haire look a LOT like HHH tonight?
Another pretty good all-around episode of Smackdown tonight. Lesnar/Hardy, Wilson & Kendrick/Noble & Nidia, Benoit/Rhyno, and Mysterio & Tajiri/Haas & Benjamin were all good, solid matches.
It was also really great seeing Piper's Pit make it's triumphant return. Heheh, man, I actually kind of REMEMBER Piper nailing Snuka with that coconut, one of my earliest wrestling memories (man, I feel old). That was back in the early 80's Reagan-induced wholesome family revolution so that was a REALLY huge deal back in the day. Nowadays such a thing is almost passe. Times sure as hell change...
Too bad the show had to end on such down notes though. The Jones/DeMott match was beyond brutal, but at least short. Jones really needs to get sent down to OVW for some serious training and conditioning. In another year or two he should be a competent wrestler, but right now, JR looks better in the ring than he does.
It's also really sad that not only could Taker not put Cena over cleanly, but no-sold almost all his offense and almost completely squashed him. Way to get a budding new talent over. It's too bad because after Cena's convincing win over Guerrero last week and another great rap before the match really made it seem like he was a legitimate threat for the belt.
Now the WWE has two choices next week: they can either put Cena over Benoit and send him into Backlash as a lame-duck challenger and another guaranteed terrible buyrate, not even if he destroyed Benoit next week would he look like a legitimate threat to Brock after Taker killed him this week.
Or, and I hope they do this, Benoit and Cena have an awesome match next week, selling each other's offense like crazy with lots of near falls and Benoit just barely getting the clean victory by pinfall. That way he and Brock can have an awesome ****+ match at Backlash and Cena can continue to be built up as a heel and a big-ass feud with Lesnar down the road.
It's over with the fans: They like it.Quote:
Originally posted by Ashen Victor
i'm sure he gets laughs, but his new gimmick is shit and not close to hilarious.
It was awesome because he was driving all crazy.Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
It's pretty weak in and of itself but in the right situations (like the Test and Stacy thing) it's pretty funny. I also liked how Bischoff had his little Austin welcome party one night, and Golddust pulled up for no apparent reason.
You're right for the most part, but Taker actually sold REALLY well for Cena. I didn't know what was going on.Quote:
Originally posted by Ragnarok the Red
It's also really sad that not only could Taker not put Cena over cleanly, but no-sold almost all his offense and almost completely squashed him. Way to get a budding new talent over. It's too bad because after Cena's convincing win over Guerrero last week and another great rap before the match really made it seem like he was a legitimate threat for the belt.
As soon as Cena hit him with the chain, the match actually turned out to be decent. His attacks on the arm were vicious and worthy of the term ruthless aggression, and Taker actually sold the arm injury by holding it and rhything in pain after most moves. Cena did look credible. The one thing it missed was Cena going over cleanly on Undertaker. He really does need to get more clean wins and as much as I like Guerrero, and hate to admit this, he's not exactly going to make you look credible when you beat him.
The run in was kind of lame, but oh well.
Not me. What kinda rub could O'Haire get from that fat psycho? I think he'd do just fine by himself. I've been an O'Haire fan for a while, I'm glad to finally see him do something. However, now we have a O'Haire/Rikishi feud to look forward to. Whoopee.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy
Oh, and I hope O'Haire gets a rub from Piper.
Smackdown overall was decent. I wish Cena had won without the run-in. And Jones is HORRIBLE.
I laughed my ass off last night when McMahon pointed at Piper's gut and said, "...what in the hell is THAT?!?". :lol:
Piper is classic.
Smackdown was another great show, wrestling and entertainment wise.
I have a friend who would violently contest that. But then again what does he know? He pretty much cums on himself whenever a new musclebound wrestler shows up. He's obsesses with muscles because he's a lard ass.Quote:
Originally posted by Dolemite
And Jones is HORRIBLE.
they also liked it when Mae Young gave birth to a hand. the gimmick is lame. i don't see how anyone can like it, but that's just me.Quote:
It's over with the fans: They like it.
and i think i'm the only one that thinks the Piper's Pit segment was boring.
I didn't mind Pipers pit. And if the majority of fans like something, then there's no reason to pull it from the air. I don't believe the Mae Young segment was over, though, and got more of a confused and disgusted reaction.
Also, I just went and downloaded Kurt Angle versus Chris Benoit at Royal Rumble 2003 and I must say that the match is every bit as good as I remembered. The only problem with it is that they cut off the standing O Benoit recieved afterwards.
That match alone keeps Benoit alive with the fans, I believe.
The match was awesome, the progression was awesome and the pacing was... awesome too. It's definitely my favorite match of the last WWE Year (Wrestlemania to WrestleMania)
Which ones did you guys like?
My favorites are HBK - Jericho (shitty rollup finish, though) and my all-time favorite in the last 5 years: Benoit - Angle 2003 RR.
I have a question. You know that commercial for the Hardy Boyz book? You know, that one that goes, "Before there was Mattitude...before there was Imag-I-nation...". What the FUCK is "Imag-I-nation"?
Something gay Jeff made up.
The Benoit and Angle matches are already classics and they're not even a half-year old. Ten years from now, these guys will be idolized as gods by skinny white guys that throw themselves off of roofs and have no friends.
I think it's where the midgets come out of the little houses at the end of the rainbow and do the rain dance. Whatever it is; it's stupid.Quote:
Originally posted by Dolemite
I have a question. You know that commercial for the Hardy Boyz book? You know, that one that goes, "Before there was Mattitude...before there was Imag-I-nation...". What the FUCK is "Imag-I-nation"?
Benoit and Angle are the two finest workers in the world today, and as long as they can adapt after injuries, they will continue to be. Their ability to adapt will actually make them better workers in the long haul. Tonight's Raw was crap, for the most part. Nash's mic work was horrid, as was the entire kliq-fest. RVD/Kane and Morley and Storm saved the show, along with Flair and the Hurricane.
Goldberg looked hot in Golddust's wig. ;)
Raw had me kinda snoozing last night.
Watched up till the Rock came on, saw him for a couple minutes then turned it off.
The most entertaining segment of RAW was the Storm - Morely vs. RVD - Kane match and Christian on the set. It was awesome, because he gets so much heat.
I was holding them because I was laughing about how much it didn't hurt!
That's awesome. And he totally insulted Goldberg.
"If you're done playing dressup, why don't you come down here. And take off your bra and panties while you're at it!"
I seriously thought he crushed Christians spine with that spear. But that's about the lengths of Goldbergs talent. You see 1 goldberg match you see 100 goldberg matches.
I am so sick and tired of Bischoff it's not funny. He's so BORING! He comes out, insults people and throws around his power, never actually doing anything productive.
Ridiculous.
Like just about every owner/manager/whatever in the last five years.Quote:
Originally posted by Andrew
I am so sick and tired of Bischoff it's not funny. He's so BORING! He comes out, insults people and throws around his power, never actually doing anything productive.
Of course there are exceptions, but I find it kinda nice when the person in charge (foley, steph) isn't the bad guy and feuding with people all the time.
Exactly. For some reason they feel the need to make every person in charge a huge heel. There will never be another McMahon - Austin feud, we need something fresh. How about letting the 'wrestlers' do the fueding for once?
I agree, I think the whole "evil owner/general manager" thing is totally played out.
Funny how Steiner was in a Debate about Iraqi Freedom. The WWE sure buried him quick, he came in and started a fued with HHH, and now is doing debates with a mid-card Rookie.
I think thats where Steiner deserves to be.
His mic and in-ring skills were nothing overly impressive, not to mention there are a lot of younger and more talented people that they could be pushing.
so is austin really done or what? because this crap with bischoff is lame. please keep him off the camera.
and stacey looked UNBELIEVEABLE last night. *drool*
Just heard that TNN is changing its name from The National Network to "Spike TV," effective June 16. How gay.
Indeed.
I did the same thing.Quote:
Originally posted by Kidnemo
Raw had me kinda snoozing last night.
Watched up till the Rock came on, saw him for a couple minutes then turned it off.
Spike TV? Ugh. Could be worse though, it could be the Nashville Network, oh wait...
Or the National Network
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Originally posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
and stacey looked UNBELIEVEABLE last night. *drool*
My dick got as hard as the fist on the arm & hammer box when i saw her.
She should wear those short skirts more often, or better yet, not wear them and just go out in a thong. It'd fit her current character since she's trying to piss Test off, kinda like what Sable did to piss Mero off years back on Raw.
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Originally posted by Lordmrw
My dick got as hard as the fist on the arm & hammer box when i saw her.
Ew, that's gross.
Did anybody hear anything about Kurt Angle? I want to know if he'll be back in two months or what.
From Kurt's website:
Hi again everyone, Kurt left us a message over the weekend and said he's feeling great and expects a speedy recovery. Kurt said Dr. Jho is absolutely incredible. He just can't believe how much better he feels already.
That's great news! I bet all the other wrestlers with neck injuries that opted for the fusion surgery are kicking themselves in the ass right now, the poor bastards...
Well, keep in mind that Angle will need neck fusion surgery after he retires. The surgery he underwent is more of a long-term stop-gap, if that makes sense.
I hope angle comes back soon, the wwe need talent like him around, espically on smackdown
sorry about that i need to learn how to use grammer correctly, its too early in the morning here
Hmm. You're an expert on spinal chord injuries now? I think that they do restructuring work within the operation to replace the bone chips they remove, so disc fusion would not be as readily needed since the support is there.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy
Well, keep in mind that Angle will need neck fusion surgery after he retires. The surgery he underwent is more of a long-term stop-gap, if that makes sense.
(Scott Hall is an example)
Nobody cares about grammar and I didn't see anything unforgiving about your post besides no caps and periods. But, again, nobody cares.Quote:
Originally posted by Scorp23
I hope angle comes back soon, the wwe need talent like him around, espically on smackdown
sorry about that i need to learn how to use grammer correctly, its too early in the morning here
Well, I'm just stating what I read on the Observer's site.
I know, just make sure you note that what you say is not official. I get the feeling it is when you say it with such confidence.
Props to the WWE for taking a chance with Cena and moving him up to the Main Event with Brock. It may be a little early but the guy is talented and much fresher than Taker. No way will Brock drop the title but he can elevate Cena, if they put on a good match.
Funny seeing Brock all smiling tonight, guess were not used to it.
Nathan Jones, all that dude can do is do a boot to the face, pretty unimpressive for a guy his size.
The chics wrestle better than Nathan Jones.(I dont even watch wrestling, I did watch a bit Smackdown today, the Nathan Jones part...oddly)
Korian, give the guy some credit, he's pretty good at blowing spots left and right. The guy is 37 years old, and he's worse than most of the 18 year olds in wrestling.
You know, the whole Lesnar/Cena match at Backlash would look a whole lot more appealing if Taker hadn't squashed him last weak and no-sold most of his offense. That was the one chance they had to really get Cena over for Backlash and get a decent buyrate, but of course, Taker and the writing team have to blow it yet again.
He and Benoit had a good match tonight, probably Cena's best, but they couldn't put him over there cleanly. Doesn't matter, even if he DVD'd Benoit and pinned him cleanly it still probably wouldn't have been enough to get him over after Taker killed him last week.
I really have to say that I'm sick of seeing every heel (aside from Triple H) having to cheat to win every single match and look like a chickenshit. Cena deserves to be in the main event scene but he'd be take so much more seriously if he wins more ematches cleanly, like his match against Eddie Gurerro a few weeks ago. Word life!
Decent show overall I 'spose.
Cena rocks, he's gonna be huge one day me thinks.
I'm a huge mark for Cena but i'm afraid some people won't see him as a real contender considering that they booked him to beat The Undertaker with nothing short of an army. He went over clean it would have been a HUGE boost for him.
Cena won clean over Benoit, he rolled his roll up in to a reversal and won. That's the point, though, is that you can clearly see a problem when two extremely talented workers like Benoit and Eddy Guerrero can put Cena over well and Taker is still afraid to be booked the loser, cleanly.
Cena is talented, that's for sure. I don't even like rap, and I think his character is fresh and one people love to hate. I don't know if he'll be headed for big things to come, and I hope not. Not because I hate him or anything, but because kids running around saying Word Life and Thugganomics is more annoying then them going around doing crotch chops and saying "Suck it!"
Team Angle and Guerreros had a good promo that the crowd actually seemed to be in to. The interview with Benoit, Cena and Brock was pretty cool.
Why was Noble put in a match? What's going on? Seriously, it's really weird. It seems like they have no idea of the undercard booking at all.
It was slow at work today...
Bwahahahahaha!
I could totally hear the "bwookswish" sound effects when I was watching that.
Nobody ever beats Taker cleanly. I don't think it really hurt Cena that much, and the highly technical win over Benoit really helped him. He won't beat Brock, but that's because Brock needs the belt, not that Cena can't carry it. Cena will be wearing it after SummerSlam.
SD! pretty much sucked apart from that match. Jimmy Snuka looked like he had Parkinson's. Piper's Pit was a boring rehash of the excellent segment just one week earlier. And Rey better beat Show at Backlash.
And if Mr. America is Jim Duggan, I may just quit wathcing altogether.
I don't think it matters whether or not his victory over Taker was clean. The fact is that he defeated Taker in a match where WWE could easily have pussed out and had Taker advance. That's quite an investment to put into Cena, as is having him headline the title match at a PPV event with Brock. They're not taking the safe route, unlike Raw.Quote:
Originally posted by Rico
I'm a huge mark for Cena but i'm afraid some people won't see him as a real contender considering that they booked him to beat The Undertaker with nothing short of an army. He went over clean it would have been a HUGE boost for him.
I like Cena a lot. The guy has the look, the in-ring ability, the size, and the mic-skills. Sky's the limit.
Nathan Jones - horrible.
Did Goldberg potato Christian on Raw or what?
Cena is the obvious underdog going into Backlash, and everyone already knows he's not going to win the title. Had he beaten the Taker cleanly and impressively like he did with Benoit and Guerrero, it would have been easier to believe that he could be champ since he had beaten three top guys in three weeks. Instead, no one will take the Brock much seriously as a competition, because Taker had to remind Cena and the fans that he's a chump.
Well they could make up for his cheap victory against Taker by how they book the match at Backlash. If Cena is showing giving a strong offense and Brock just barely pulling out a win it make Cena look more like a main eventer. Also I really hope that Sean O'Haire goes over at Backlash since it seems like Rikishi main purpose is to go over any fresh heel and get rid of their heat while having none of his own. I mean Seah O'Haire can be HUGE but I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know.
I thought the Rey/Tajiri vs A-Train/Big Show was pretty good, they should remain tag team for a while because their styles match. The rest of Smackdown was pretty good but not great.
yo yo yo... yall doubt the jedi of thugonomics?
man that's whack, makes me wanna vomit.
brock lesnar's going down to the DVD,
john cena with the pin, 1-2-3.
westbury freestyler turn WWE champ,
stand back, new wrestling legend coming down that ramp.
immortality awaits cena at backlash,
gonna use brock lesnar to wipe his asscrack.
word life!
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Originally posted by burgundy
Nobody ever beats Taker cleanly. I don't think it really hurt Cena that much, and the highly technical win over Benoit really helped him. He won't beat Brock, but that's because Brock needs the belt, not that Cena can't carry it. Cena will be wearing it after SummerSlam.
SD! pretty much sucked apart from that match. Jimmy Snuka looked like he had Parkinson's. Piper's Pit was a boring rehash of the excellent segment just one week earlier. And Rey better beat Show at Backlash.
And if Mr. America is Jim Duggan, I may just quit wathcing altogether.
Also, I enjoyed the Pipers pit area. Piper is actually helping O'Haire greately and the main action is with the two younger WWE superstars, so it works out greately.
I think O'Haire has 'it'. He has the look, the size, the mic skills, the talent and he's entertaining to watch. Plus his new spider motiffs are something new in the WWE. All the great superstars had an animal analogy. (not that this means anything)
I think Rikishi is the establishing dude. Cena and Brock lesnar had their little stints with him, and all of the new talent trying to establish characters fued with him on some level. (DeMott)Quote:
Originally posted by Rico
Well they could make up for his cheap victory against Taker by how they book the match at Backlash. If Cena is showing giving a strong offense and Brock just barely pulling out a win it make Cena look more like a main eventer. Also I really hope that Sean O'Haire goes over at Backlash since it seems like Rikishi main purpose is to go over any fresh heel and get rid of their heat while having none of his own. I mean Seah O'Haire can be HUGE but I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know.
It would be really foolish to just throw O'Haire in to matches without building him up properly, which is something that happened with Lesnar. And although Lesnar does get pops, he's never going to achieve super-stardom for awhile, he just lacks something that someone like Hogan, Austin and The Rock have.
Yeah Brock is pretty barebones in personality.Quote:
It would be really foolish to just throw O'Haire in to matches without building him up properly, which is something that happened with Lesnar. And although Lesnar does get pops, he's never going to achieve super-stardom for awhile, he just lacks something that someone like Hogan, Austin and The Rock have.
In order to have a super face, you have to have a set of super heels to take him on.
Piper and Andre were Hogans yang to his ying.
Vince and the Corporation to Austin.
Degeneration X to The Rock, later on Triple H.
That's how you push two people properly. The heel is just as important as the face, he just gets less credit.
But I'm not telling you anything, you don't already know.
(such a good slogan because it works!)