I would have never gotten that answer cuz that spazoid's on block.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarsKitten
On topic: that's cool.
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I would have never gotten that answer cuz that spazoid's on block.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarsKitten
On topic: that's cool.
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Originally Posted by shidoshi
haha ill take the advice.
Dude give it up. I've met more Japanese business men than you can imagine and MOST of the bilingual communication is coming from the American business men speaking their jibber jabber to them. The Japanese do not for the most part speak English anymore (and usually less) than those that deal with them speak Japanese. You're full of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
Chinese people also don't speak English well, and if there is any high end Executive deals there is always a fucking translator or two there for both sides. I don't know where you're magical asians can speak English and understand what's going on in both languages but Americans can't nonsense is coming from, but it isn't the real fucking world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
The reason Japan, China, and Singapore have offered any competition is simple. Cheap labor. Japan's economy grew, labor became more expensive, a lot the factories have left Japan to go to Korea, India, and Mexico (hell some even came back to America) and the Japanese economy is in the shitter for almost a decade running. Once China's middle class grows and becomes more proliferant, combined with the cost of shipping, their economy will take a downturn too. America is one of the first and most successful post manufacturing economies in the world and the countries that are growing are because America is buying their cheap shit because it saves Americans money.
What the fuck are YOU saying? What IS American culture if it isn't beliefs, traditions, arts or institutions? There is simply no uniquely American culture that isn't a reflection of regional groups or a mixture of different cultural traditions. Like Diff said, compare the culture of the Southwest to that of New England. Where is the homogeny of culture there? What is this mythical super-American culture that you're talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Again what does this mean? You glossed over the Little Italys and Little Tokyos question diff posed. Why aren't they becoming part of the bigger whole? Why do they get a pass for clinging to their previous culture and unique traditions in their divided pockets while Latinos are expected to drop everything and adopt this imaginary 'American culture' (which really is just code for white suburbanite culture)? What I always thought, and correct me if I'm wrong here, that being an American only means that you believe in the Constitution. That, more than anything, unites us.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
LOL, you're too easy, IP.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
You're a stupid horse's ass.
And this magically means that America is open to second languages? I'm sure you've met the vast majority of foreign businessmen out there, which gives you your unique perspective none of us can share, so I submit to your vast knoweldge. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jester
I don't know where you've been to, but my experiences with American's in Puerto Rico has been that the majority of them want everyone here to speak English, even the Americans who have been living here for decades. They make no effort to learn the local language, which is what the majority of people in this thread have been discussing: people should learn the local language.
Yeah all the fucking immigrants should just up and learn the language. its not like it takes time or anything they should be able to do it in like a week or two right? Better yet lets pull em off the fields and put them in ESL classes. Cause every fucking hispanic i meet doesnt know a lick of english they're all like "fuck the USA we're gonna keep talking mexican and make our lives even harder than they are".
Yea, English is easy to learn. I knew it fluently when I was like, five. If I can do it why can't they?
Yeah i was like 3 or 4 when i learned it and they sit in there crappy cars talking mexican GOD just learn english this is america damnit.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
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Originally Posted by Genki
Puerto Rico is a territory. Get with the fucking program. I took 17 semesters of Spanish from 7th grade through college and have a minor in it. Why? Because I saw the writing on the wall. There were going to be shloads of them with money for me to take. The irony is that I deal with more people in India than from Mexico. My high school didn't have Hindi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
I do hope that's sarcasm, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genki
I think I know PR is a territory,; I've been living here for two decades. What does that have to do with what I said? I'm talking about Americans in PR who don't want to speak Spanish. Being a territory has nothing to do with it, because people here were speaking Spanish two hundred years before the first American flag was even conceived. You can't possibly think that more than 4 million people here are going to drop their native language because the fuck ups in Washington don't know what they want to do with the island after being here a century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
What I'm saying is that it goes both ways. Just as immigrants to the U.S. should learn English, so should Americans learn the local language of where they go to live. I had to learn Spanish when I got here, and I'm sure Shidoshi can't go around Japan speaking English, expecting everyone to fall over themselves to accomodate him. Learning the language of the country you live in is a no-brainer.
Puerto Rico is a gray rea though. It's not a country. That's what I was saying. I agree with your points though. When in Rome...
Congrats for not understanding a damn thing I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calliander
I think being an American mean believing in the country, what it is trying to be, and coming (or living) here not only with the goal of making yourself better, but also the country. I'd also say it means believing in the right of everybody else to be free, and being ready to fight for those rights for others as well as ourselves. (But not neccessarily jumping into war to force that freedom upon people.) Being an American also means that you have the chance to be whatever you want to be, without being held back by lack of opportunity, government, or other factors.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
What I see as becoming an American is coming here and, while keeping your culture, language, and whatever else, doing what you can to help improve this country, and to join in with its citizens, not be separated from them. It's like, you get a new job: do you go to work with the idea of doing your best to help your company be a strong, productive company, while also bringing home a paycheck, or do you go there just to make money and not give a damn how the company does? Change the company to the country, and that's what I see as being an American.
There are a lot of people in Little Italy, Chinatown, or whatever else, that keep their culture and identity, while also being proud to be a part of this country and the contributions they are trying to make to it.
It's also really pathetic how you keep trying to twist this into something racist when it isn't.
Learn what? We beat them and still bought this land. If anything it makes all the hispanics bitching about how we "stole california" look like dumbases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
Have you ever heard of "Manifest Destiny?"Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
Do you work at Fox?
Manifest Destiny is in the past. Move on.
Lol, just forget it. The issue is obviously too much for you.
yeah but whos better and more civilized...americans and people who speak english in general(in america)
if you disagree go to walmart and say you love it there cause im sure all your little beaner pals will be there waiting for you
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Originally Posted by nocturne
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Originally Posted by Melf
Regardless of relevance, I find this funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baffoon
So we are judging americans of today by how our ancestors acted 100 years ago?
Please Melf, explain to me to how Manifest Destiny has anything to do with a bunch of illegals crossing the border today vying for amnesty.
This thread is comedy gold. I figured I'd get a few flames, and it would die. Here we are 11 pages later, and I'm not even the one stirring shit up.
I try to carry your torch Yoshi
It is. I thought that went without saying...I'm dominican btw...Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
Your mom is sarcasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
Yoshi ~ Its even past what you originally intended. It is gold.
And G0zen ... no being an american is more than Constitution. Its believeing that noone person is below the government. What we are doing is what the founding fathers intended. True discussions about polictical matters and caring about the country you live in and try to make it better by elcting people that believe in what you believe in. If that person you believe in loses, hopefully your stances are supported by the senator or representative.
And I'm with you Shidoshi.
Takin a page out of diffs book...Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate
Your mom is gold :D
Dude, that argument is history. Move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
Mortal Kombat.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Okay, if you believe all this then what is your beef with these illegals? Are they not trying to better themselves be coming to America and bettering our country by working and raising families, etc.? And being free to be whatever you want to be without being held back by the government? Held back like as in, deported? Or because you're not fluent in the language? I mean, this is nice flag-waving hyperbole but it's not really making your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Ugh, so your idea of being an American is being a company cheerleader drone? The WORST kind of person to work with. But then, what about dissent? A good company cheerleader doesn't criticize the decisions of the board of directors, yet I've seen you in other threads (the Rumsfield one for instance) decrying the bosses. See, this is where your analogy falls apart. The founders set up America so that the government works at the will of the PEOPLE, not the other way around. That's what the Constitution is, it's the contract between the people and their government.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
So to say that these illegals aren't Americans because they don't want to instantly plug into American Corporate-style thought is ridiculous. Surely, a lot of them aren't looking to become legal and are merely migrant workers. However, for those that WANT to stay I don't see why we should ask them to abandon their culture for ours when there's no real precedent for it. If they want to sing the Star-Bangled Banner in Spanish, go for it. If America really cared so much about it being sung in English, then maybe more people would actually know the words to it.
Alot of these illegals are proud. This isn't a march like in Pakistan or the Gaza Strip where they're holding up signs with "Death to Freedom" and shit, these people WANT to be a part of America and people like YOU want to shut the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
No, it's really pathetic that you keep dancing around it when you know that it really boils down to white nativists fear of immigrants.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Last time I checked, asians, indians (dot on head), and black people were not in love with them either.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Then why aren't they in the Minutemen?
Becuase that band broke up in like 1985.
Good time for a comeback tour.
g0zen ~ You keep saying ABANDON their culture. WTF? For the last fucking time and for the fucking 5th page. We are not saying that. Its fine if you want to sing ANYTHING you want in spanish. You can speak spanish for all I care. But if you are an illegal immigrant. That lives in this country, that is leeching off government funds, and raising children in this country. They need to become legal. If your migrant get a visa.
And I'm not white and I don't like illegal immigrants. So your accusation of white americans being the only ones hating is false. WRONG! So, get off that point quick. Hell I know PR's that hate the illegals. So, I have no idea where you got that info from. Apparently your assuming ... you know what that means?
he got it from the stupid white kids that live around him. You know the kind. They say shit like "we should just nuke the entire middle east," and "stupid fucking Mexicans, with their low riders and shit."Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate
He hates them so much that he can't talk rationally about anything that remotely resembles the retarded things they say.
It's kind of ironic when you think about it. He generalizes people into "rednecks" and "white trash,”, and yet he does so because he hates "white trash" and "rednecks" for generalizing non whites into groups with negative connotations.
Wait, what's wrong with nuking the whole middle east? They don't make nachos.
Apparently killing millions of people for no real reason is a bad thing.
Go figure.
And to think I liked g0zen. Well I still do, butt he is generalizing. I am asian and my sister is too and we both hate the illegal immigrants. My brother in law whos PR, my pastor's wife who is PR. Her family who is PR ... they all hate illegals. So that completely destroys his comment that only White people who are racist hate Illegals.
BS, as I've explained about 500 times this thread.Quote:
that is leeching off government funds
So, them being allowed to drive away after a traffic offense, or if they get into an accident they don't get a traffic ticket or penelized for auto insurance ... NOT leeching. Or them aquiring welfare ... thats not leeching.
Okay Diff. :tu:
Cut me a break.
:td: :td: :td:
How often does this stuff really happen? Uninsured insurance for my car costs me about $40 a year... compared to how much I save thanks to the cheap labor they provide? As for welfare... okay how often do illegal immigrants go on welfare?Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate
And while we're talking about fringe shit like this, what about all the times people rob, rape, mug, or exploit illegals but they don't call the cops because they are afraid of being deported? A lot more times than anything you mentioned, combined. That frees up a fair amount of police work, I reckon.
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
All you need to do is talk to these people to know this shit happens all the time a lot more often than drivin away after getting away with a traffic violation. But you dont talk to them, you dont know what they go through so just sit tight in your house in your suburbs and talk about shit you heard from somebody who watches the news.
I don't think anyone cares about all that shit. If your average joe blow gets a $400 speeding ticket, they want everyone else to get a $400 speeding ticket when they get pulled over. That is as far as most people think. Yes, the average person is stupid, blah blah blah. But if you do remember, we live in a Democracy/Republic. Thinking isn't a requirement for either.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
The main drain is that many are absent from census numbers, which are the main factor in determining the allocation of funding to most public programs. It's not that they don't contribute taxes, it's that those taxes don't get reappropriated correctly because illegals aren't represented and don't factor towards the final monies allocated, despite the fact that they will use those services.
Shut up, IP. You're a moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Why don't you make me? You angry little shit of a man.
CRIPPLE FIGHT!
WHAT IS A MAN?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
So who would win if they actually fought?...
your mom.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
sorry had to it was too easy.
A miserable little pile of secrets?Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
But enough talk, have at you!
BEHOLD MY TRUE FORM..AND DESPAIR!
we should nuke the middle east close the boarder tot he fucking spicks and...(id go anti semetic but i dont want to piss anybody off)lets just say im pround to be white.
Don't forget the part about taking over Canada so the Israelis have somewhere to live after camel land is a sheet of glass.
haha
RESISTENCE WILL BE FUTILE CANADIANS
I can't possibly understand why you were banned from those other forums. You sound lovable!Quote:
Originally Posted by nocturne
What do you guys think of the conspiracy theory that the mexicans are coming over here with the agenda to take the lower part of the US and make it part of mexico?
Same thing about most conspiracy theories.
lol
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Originally Posted by Beefy Hits
not a conspiracy theory, but its not the agenda for the majority of them. The radicals do have this as a plan
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Originally Posted by nocturne
yeah you can't offend the jews.
Radical Mexicans? What do they put on their nachos?Quote:
Originally Posted by D_N_G
And what part in the great Jewish conspiracy does this fit into?Quote:
Originally Posted by D_N_G
hot sauceQuote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
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Originally Posted by diffusionx
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Originally Posted by Cowdisease
:lol: This is why I love this place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacon
I sense shades of Jeremy in you young one.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
I'm suprised you know what shading is.
I for one welcome our new rulers with buckets of golden maple syrup and would like to be the first to offer my services in rounding up and tagging other, more crafty Canadians.Quote:
Originally Posted by nocturne
Oh snaps!Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Ricotta cheese, the most radical of all the cheeses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
That is the explicit plan of a radical group of Mexicans and Mexican students, but since when has a radical group of nutcases influenced policy? Okay, except for the Christian Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy Hits
^QFTQuote:
Ricotta cheese, the most radical of all the cheeses.
Yeah Radical mexicans put on nachos hot sauce and ricotta cheese. They use potato chips instead of tortilla.
and nazi's?Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
The nazi's were just misunderstood. It was all a big misunderstanding.
So the thing about killing jews? What was that?
Did someone fib and tell them that the Jews stole their tiles?
No dude. The holocaust was made up by the liberal media.
If the Roadwarrior says it, it must be true.
so whats the great jwesih conspiracy again?
Puerto Ricans are spics. Mexicans are beaners, wetbacks, fence hoppers, etc. I get offended when you can't even call me by the proper ethnic slur.Quote:
Originally Posted by nocturne
eh who cares they are all the same.(for the most part)
and what about cubans
Cubans still exist?
well supposedly they astill make cigars but who knows...
remember whent hat stupid cuban floated here on a lifesaver? and we sent him baggin home haha
Not the same. They actually were voted into power.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
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Originally Posted by Melf
ya know hteres an american nazi party right...
There's an American dance party too.
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take over the World?Quote:
Originally Posted by nocturne
they already took over hollywood and the media :bang:
How do you start a Jewish parade?
They're busy fucking your mom right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by nocturne
Tie a dollar to your car's bumper and drive slowly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raz0r
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/5/2/153718/2311 bwahahahhahaha
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On Friday, President Bush blasted the idea of singing the Star Spangled Banner in Spanish. But Bush's highly-scripted 2001 inaugural ceremony actually featured a rendition of the national anthem sung in Spanish by Jon Secada.
The opening ceremony reflected that sentiment. A racially diverse string of famous and once famous performers entertained Bush, soon-to-be First Lady Laura Bush, Vice President-elect Richard B. Cheney and his wife, Lynne, who watched on stage from a special viewing area.
Pop star Jon Secada sang the national anthem in English and Spanish.
Apparently, Secada singing the anthem in Spanish was a regular feature of the Bush campaign.
The nominee, his wife Laura, erstwhile rival John McCain and his wife Cindy joined Bush on a platform where children sang the national anthem - in "Spanglish," Secada explained.
Bush said a lot of things back then, like his policy would be grounded in sound science, and that the government is too big and unwieldy.
Yeah and preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
We will not engage in nation building.
I remember him talking in Spanish a lot during the campaign, and that went poof when the real GW appeared. If he thinks that amnesty is going to instantly create millions of new Republicans, then he really is as dumb as he looks.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/...ion/index.html
Bush sending troops to border.
I used to be in favor of this, but now I am worried by the fact that mobilized military troops will be operating within this country, within states and counties. Of course the White House says its not about militarizing the borders, but they also said they would fire anyone who was involved in the Plame leak.
Look at this douchebag Bill "Cat Killer" Frist, after Harry Reid raises a valid point:
Yes my friends, this is what passes for bipartisan compassionate conservatism these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by CNN
Jefferson & Washington must be bursting with pride.
kill whitey...
Jefferson and Washington have vaporized from turning over in their graves so much.
So just how much are we going to stretch our military? What do we do if shit happens in Iran or NK? I like how it took Bush almost six years to finally do something about the border, and this is his response. "Send in the troops!"
Bush's guest worker program is also the biggest joke ever. It only serves to satisfy large companies who rely on cheap labor and without doing a single thing to solve the actual causes or problems at the root of this issue.