After Burner Climax

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Now, on a home console where you're playing the game on your TV which is 16:9, I understand that you're going to want the game to use your whole TV.

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Meh. I have a 3:4 TV and a 16:9 TV. I don't mind black bars on the side of my 16:9 any more than I mind black bars on the top/bottom of my 3:4 TV. I want developers to make their game in whatever aspect ratio works best for that particular game. In most cases these days, that happens to be 16:9...but I would never want a developer to say....shoe-horn a vertical shmup into a horizontal 16:9 aspect ratio. You gotta' make the aspect ratio match the game you're making.

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Originally Posted by marwan

Whatever it is man, widescreen just looks better, specially when you have a widescreen TV, but if your TV is an ancient 4:3, then i can understand how you would prefer full screen games/movies, rather than 16:9 with bars on top and bottom.

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Again, did you not read what I typed? I said stuff looks better in the aspect ratio it was created for. So obviously if I'm watching 16:9 source material on my 3:4 TV I'll letterbox it. Where in anything I typed did you get the idea I'd ever watch pan n' scan?

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Originally Posted by marwan

Whatever it is man, widescreen just looks better, specially when you have a widescreen TV, but if your TV is an ancient 4:3, then i can understand how you would prefer full screen games/movies, rather than 16:9 with bars on top and bottom.

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Widescreen doesn't "just look better". It's better for wide landscape shots, it's horizontally biased, and it isn't better for everything. It's less even, and less versatile in many ways. Imagine trying to play Mars Matrix in 16:9.

It's especially awful on the PSP where the size of the screen negates the benefits of the aspect ratio. They just did it to pander to movies, and end up making things more difficult for developers, especially for non-3D games. Having a 16:9 TV that's under 29" is pretty dopey, IMO.

You aren't really providing any reason that this game should be 16:9 other than you deciding it's arbitrarily better because it's better for movie watching.

Imagine trying to play Mars Matrix in 4:3... You want to bring up shmups, then you best know your shit. If it's a vertical shmup, if it's not TATE, then you need to settle down.

16:9 is fantastic because it more accurately represents the line of sight. There's nothing that's perfect for everything, but 16:9 brings a lot more to the table than the box of a 4:3 format. Besides, you should be TATEing the 16:9 screen to play Mars Matrix fyi

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Originally Posted by Bar81

16:9 is fantastic because it more accurately represents the line of sight.

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Again I ask: Would one painting be better or worse than a totally differnent painting based only on one canvas being 16:9 and the other being 3:4? Of course not. It all depends on what type of composition you're shooting for when you compose. There's nothing to say one aspect ratio is inherently better than another...unless you're talking extreeme/worthless cases like 1000:2 or something.

Mars Matrix IS 4:3.

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Originally Posted by Bar81

Imagine trying to play Mars Matrix in 4:3...

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Is there any other way it can be played?

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Is there any other way it can be played?

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Maybe I'm imagining things but I have the distinct memory of hooking my VGA box up to my monitor and rotating the screen. Then again I could be delusional :wtf:

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Originally Posted by Cheebs

Again I ask: Would one painting be better or worse than a totally differnent painting based only on one canvas being 16:9 and the other being 3:4? Of course not. It all depends on what type of composition you're shooting for when you compose. There's nothing to say one aspect ratio is inherently better than another...unless you're talking extreeme/worthless cases like 1000:2 or something.

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a painting and a game/movie are two different things, i don't see how they are relevant.

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Originally Posted by Bar81

Maybe I'm imagining things but I have the distinct memory of hooking my VGA box up to my monitor and rotating the screen. Then again I could be delusional :wtf:

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Not only is it horizontal only, but it doesn't support VGA. You must be confused.

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Originally Posted by marwan

a painting and a game/movie are two different things, i don't see how they are relevant.

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He's saying there's not some optimal aspect ratio for conveying every possible scene. The analogy makes perfect sense.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

You aren't really providing any reason that this game should be 16:9 other than you deciding it's arbitrarily better because it's better for movie watching.

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It's better for the sensation of speed on a large screen, which is pretty important for this. As far as gameplay goes, I'd have to see where more of the planes come from here... added peripheral vision could certainly be helpful.