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20 May 2006, 11:33 AM
Yoshi

I'd prefer to see two walls within the US: one north of New York to keep New Englanders away from the people who matter and one east of California for the same reason.
20 May 2006, 11:51 AM
Advocate

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

I'd prefer to see two walls within the US: one north of New York to keep New Englanders away from the people who matter and one east of California for the same reason.

LOL.
20 May 2006, 12:03 PM
Calliander

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Originally Posted by g0zen

I challenge everyone whose against the national anthem in Spanish to sing the English version without looking up the words.

The English version doesn't have the lyrics, "Ella le gusta la gasolina (dame mas gasolina!)" and that's all that matters.

Oh yeah, and Connecticut is better than every other state in the Union. Bite it, Yoshi.
20 May 2006, 12:05 PM
arjue

Guns are not illegal here, only automatics and some semi-automatics. I surely hope you aren't trying to make fun of Australia because we don't have an out of control gun culture like you guys do.

And Martin Briant killed around 40 people over 3 days iirc. It was really fucked up, with live coverage and shit.
20 May 2006, 12:11 PM
Advocate

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Originally Posted by arjue

Guns are not illegal here, only automatics and some semi-automatics. I surely hope you aren't trying to make fun of Australia because we don't have an out of control gun culture like you guys do.

And Martin Briant killed around 40 people over 3 days iirc. It was really fucked up, with live coverage and shit.

IBTN

I forget who said it, but our country was founded on those principles.
20 May 2006, 12:23 PM
Razor Ramon

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Originally Posted by Calliander

The English version doesn't have the lyrics, "Ella le gusta la gasolina (dame mas gasolina!)"

This is all I needed to read to find out you're full of shit.
20 May 2006, 12:35 PM
avatar

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

How much taxes do you think a guy who makes less than $5 an hour pays?

About $0. Sup EITC.

Except for, of course, sales taxes and other regressive taxes and the like. Which they do pay. And those taxes are local, and neocons always whine about them taking advantage of local services, so, well, even you could put 2 and 2 together.

Maybe if they came legally they could go to the union and fight for themselves

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

As for the "they are ILLEGAL immigrants... its a CRIME... because theyre ILLEGAL immigrants"... well I brought that up in the other thread. I believe my words were, "what is legal? Whatever the government says it is. Alberto Gonzales wants to throw people in jail for a decade for downloading a music CD".

SO becuase a law is unfair it should be ignored? If so then how come I can't post links to torrents on TNL?

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Cause it's an election year, and they need to hold off on gay marriage and flag burning until later in the summer?

Becuase an issue brought up in an election year is pointless.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

That's a moronic comparison. My point is that if you don't care enough to learn the words to the anthem in your own language, why does it suddenly bother you if someone else is singing it in theirs? In other words, why does the anthem only become important to you when it's being sung in a language other than English? I find it ridiculous.

What's wrong with having national pride? When did it become wrong to want your stuff kept in it's original form.

Should we make a spanish version of the consitution?
20 May 2006, 12:38 PM
Jester

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Originally Posted by arjue

I surely hope you aren't trying to make fun of Australia because we don't have an out of control gun culture like you guys do.

The only reason to make fun of Australia is your fucking insane government, that makes ours look relaxed, which is funny considering I heard everyone in Canberra is stoned 24/7.
20 May 2006, 12:38 PM
avatar

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Originally Posted by Advocate

BTW ... I am against this wall idea. At this point there is no easy solution; either way you go about this issue ... USA loses. If you deport all illegals we lose the common blue collar worker. If you let them stay our economy suffers. No matter what they do or we talk about. The American people lose.

I realized this after the HR thread. I sat back and thought about what everyone was saying. And thats what I realized. This issue is a gray area. No matter what you do someone is BOUND to be hurt by the decision.

QFT
20 May 2006, 12:51 PM
Advocate

Basically, what I meant in that post Av ... is that the solutions being brought up by Congress, TNL, and USA. None are compromises to the problem. Its either deport or stay. I say let the people that are here for 20 years stay. Let the ones here that are more recent stay as well, but make them go through the proper process. And make the process easier on all.
20 May 2006, 01:06 PM
outRider

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Originally Posted by Melf

Well, if Dubbya wants to protect our borders so much now, why doesn't he start with the one where the 9/11 terrorits crossed? You know, the OTHER border.

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Originally Posted by Melf

The only one not defending the border where the terrorits who caused the worst attacks in U.S. history came from?

Yeah.

5 years later and people still believe that rubbish. Unless you're referring to your 'border' with the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, I can tell you that none of the 9/11 terrorists crossed from the OTHER border, it's been proven false time and again.

Now back to your regularly scheduled debate.
20 May 2006, 01:48 PM
rezo

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Originally Posted by avatar

What's wrong with having national pride? When did it become wrong to want your stuff kept in it's original form.

Should we make a spanish version of the consitution?

Sure. Are you less proud to be an American when more people read your country's laws? Seriously debating whether or not the national anthem should be sang in other languages is a waste of time; But people will devote as much attention to things like this and whether or not non-christmas holidays should be allowed to exist in late december as anything else, and

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Becuase an issue brought up in an election year is pointless.

the parties take advantage of it.

also:

http://www.constitutioncenter.org/ex...anguages.shtml
20 May 2006, 01:53 PM
Bluelake

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Originally Posted by D_N_G

vhttp://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/...ush_finger.jpg

Bush that is a stupid punk.I would literary give him a stone cold stnner and put him to sleep for a week in the hospital.
20 May 2006, 04:25 PM
Fe 26

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Originally Posted by g0zen

You vaguely had a point until you said this. This is garbage. Any thought that comes into people's heads is not instantly valid, that's ridiculous. People make their 'thoughts or feelings' valid by making a convincing case for them, i.e. giving reasons why they think a certain way and why you should to.

Something being valid to ME, and something being valid to a democracy/republic are two different things.

Hell, a lot of the problems we are having right now are because of that one little flaw with democracies/republics. The stupidest people's wants/feelings/desies matter just as much as those of the educated. Polticians know this, and pander to it.
20 May 2006, 04:29 PM
Drewbacca

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Originally Posted by Bluelake

Bush that is a stupid punk.I would literary give him a stone cold stnner and put him to sleep for a week in the hospital.

Why not a tombstone piledriver?
20 May 2006, 05:20 PM
g0zen

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Originally Posted by Advocate

LOL.

You just lost your citizenship, GTFO of Fortress Amercia.

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Originally Posted by Advocate

IBTN

I forget who said it, but our country was founded on those principles.

No it wasn't. And it's not your country anyway.

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Originally Posted by avatar

Becuase an issue brought up in an election year is pointless.

Wrong. It goes to the heart of the matter, that it's only a big problem now that elections are on the horizon when before no one really cared.

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Originally Posted by avatar

What's wrong with having national pride? When did it become wrong to want your stuff kept in it's original form.

Patriotism =/= Nationalistic bullshit like this

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Originally Posted by avatar

Should we make a spanish version of the consitution?

Absolutely. The Constitution should be printed in every language because it's the content of the document, not the document itself, that is important.
20 May 2006, 05:23 PM
Yoshi

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Originally Posted by arjue

Guns are not illegal here, only automatics and some semi-automatics. I surely hope you aren't trying to make fun of Australia because we don't have an out of control gun culture like you guys do.

Of course you don't. Who's stupid enough to let guns loose in a prison colony?

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Originally Posted by Bluelake

Bush that is a stupid punk.I would literary give him a stone cold stnner and put him to sleep for a week in the hospital.

And you're a 19 year-old, who doesn't know shit about shit. Coming from San Francisco, you probably are referring to a "Stone cold stunner" with your purse. STFU.
20 May 2006, 05:43 PM
Melf

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Originally Posted by outRider

5 years later and people still believe that rubbish. Unless you're referring to your 'border' with the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, I can tell you that none of the 9/11 terrorists crossed from the OTHER border, it's been proven false time and again.

Now back to your regularly scheduled debate.

You know, you're right. I must have gotten the 9/11 attempts confused with the Millennium Plot terrorists, the ones who tried to blow up NY's subway system, and Ahmed Ressam (planned to blow up L.A.'s airport when he was caught crossing the border); all of whom came from Canada.
20 May 2006, 08:03 PM
SpoDaddy

Gozen cracks me up. He's the stereotype liberal that gets all his "news" from the Daily Show, and can't wait to throw around all those fancy words he just learned like "nationalism" while blaming every problem in the modern world on Haliburton.

I'll summarize every Gozen post from now on to save everyone time; pride in your country/patriotism = redneck hick practicing juvenile nationalism, everyone that disagrees with gozen = Bush loving neocon in Haliburton's pocket, Bush planned 9/11. In conclusion, Clinton got head so he's great and Reagan sucked because he was a Republican.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Of course you don't. Who's stupid enough to let guns loose in a prison colony?

And you're a 19 year-old, who doesn't know shit about shit. Coming from San Francisco, you probably are referring to a "Stone cold stunner" with your purse. STFU.

Best Yoshi post ever.
20 May 2006, 08:03 PM
Diff-chan

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

Gozen cracks me up. He's the stereotype liberal that gets all his "news" from the Daily Show, and can't wait to throw around all those fancy words he just learned like "nationalism" while blaming every problem in the modern world on Haliburton.

I'll summarize every Gozen post from now on to save everyone time; pride in your country/patriotism = redneck hick practicing juvenile nationalism, everyone that disagrees with gozen = Bush loving neocon in Haliburton's pocket, Bush planned 9/11. In conclusion, Clinton got head so he's great and Reagan sucked because he was a Republican.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
20 May 2006, 08:08 PM
maruchan

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

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20 May 2006, 08:23 PM
SpoDaddy

That should be the new front page for TNL.
20 May 2006, 08:26 PM
Advocate

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

That should be the new front page for TNL.

IBTN
20 May 2006, 08:36 PM
Vasteel

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

We have a border, respect it or get shot. Every other country in the world defends it's borders.

We have rules about ad hominem attacks, respect them or get lost. Every other message board in the world defends against cumdribbles like you.
20 May 2006, 08:55 PM
Vasteel

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Originally Posted by avatar

Maybe if they came legally they could go to the union and fight for themselves

Oh, yeah, that'll work. I mean, labor unions still have so much clout in the US. Get fucking real.

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Originally Posted by avatar

SO becuase a law is unfair it should be ignored?

Absolutely. It's how you get rid of bad laws.
20 May 2006, 09:00 PM
Advocate

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Originally Posted by g0zen

No it wasn't. And it's not your country anyway.

And its in referance to a joke. That America is so gun crazy, because we are a waring nation. And it is my country, I live here, I have citizenship here, and I care about this country. Even if I think buidling a wall is gay as hell, and that if you take all the Illegals out of this country the economy falters, yet you keep them here undocumented its just as bad. Like I said no matter what you do its a f'ed up situation. This is the second time I have said this in the thread. I agree with both sides of this argument.
20 May 2006, 09:09 PM
SpoDaddy

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Originally Posted by Vasteel

We have rules about ad hominem attacks, respect them or get lost. Every other message board in the world defends against cumdribbles like you.

Read the definition of ad hominem newbie. I was responding to Gozen's posts in this thread, attacking his arguments. I wasn't attacking him personally. Maybe you should avoid lame attacks yourself in a post denouncing attacks. Respect your elders and speak when spoken to, adults are talking.

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Originally Posted by Vasteel

Oh, yeah, that'll work. I mean, labor unions still have so much clout in the US. Get fucking real.

Huh? Labor unions control the democratic party, they have tons of power in this country. I hope you weren't being sarcastic.
20 May 2006, 09:17 PM
g0zen

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

Read the definition of ad hominem newbie. I was responding to Gozen's posts in this thread, attacking his arguments. I wasn't attacking him personally.

Wrong, you called me a:

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

...stereotype liberal that gets all his "news" from the Daily Show, and can't wait to throw around all those fancy words he just learned like "nationalism" while blaming every problem in the modern world on Haliburton.

Which of course is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

Huh? Labor unions control the democratic party, they have tons of power in this country. I hope you weren't being sarcastic.

Labor Unions don't control the DNC, it's really the other way around. Not like how corporate interests control both parties really.
20 May 2006, 09:19 PM
Advocate

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Not like how corporate interests control both parties really.

QFT
20 May 2006, 09:20 PM
Yoshi

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Labor Unions don't control the DNC, it's really the other way around.

He's right. The DNC is basically the 21st century mafia. Just ask the people Clinton had killed, like Vince Foster.
20 May 2006, 09:27 PM
SpoDaddy

Gozen: if that qualifies as an ad hominem personal attack then you've attacked me about 15 times in this thread

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

He's right. The DNC is basically the 21st century mafia. Just ask the people Clinton had killed, like Vince Foster.

Don't be silly. It was Hillary that had Vince Foster killed.
20 May 2006, 09:30 PM
g0zen

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

He's right. The DNC is basically the 21st century mafia. Just ask the people Clinton had killed, like Vince Foster.

LOL, let's not act like the RNC isn't just as nefarious.

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

Gozen: if that qualifies as an ad hominem personal attack then you've attacked me about 15 times in this thread

Let's see them.
20 May 2006, 09:57 PM
outRider

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Originally Posted by Melf

You know, you're right. I must have gotten the 9/11 attempts confused with the Millennium Plot terrorists, the ones who tried to blow up NY's subway system, and Ahmed Ressam (planned to blow up L.A.'s airport when he was caught crossing the border); all of whom came from Canada.

Both of whom were caught AT the border, back in 1997 and 1999, long before security was stepped up post-9/11. So... what exactly are you bellyaching about? That border security appears to be working?
20 May 2006, 10:13 PM
Diff-chan

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Originally Posted by outRider

...security was stepped up post-9/11.

LOL.
20 May 2006, 10:28 PM
Josh

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

LOL.

I can verify that there is no security whatsoever at the US/Mexico border.

At least the area that I've been to.
20 May 2006, 10:31 PM
Hubbitron

do you have a visa?

$20? yeah that looks like a visa.
20 May 2006, 10:39 PM
outRider

I was referring to the Canada/US border as per Melf's original post. But you can read that as "...long before security was allegedly/supposedly stepped up post-9/11" and the point still stands; although I've personally gone through Detroit and Buffalo a lot and have seen changes.
20 May 2006, 11:28 PM
avatar

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Originally Posted by Vasteel

Oh, yeah, that'll work. I mean, labor unions still have so much clout in the US. Get fucking real.

Are you fucking serious?

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Originally Posted by Vasteel

Absolutely. It's how you get rid of bad laws.

No. you get rid of bad laws by finding a represenative who will defend you and lead a campaign to overturn these laws. A charasmatic leader who can convince people that something is wrong(i.e MLK, Malcolm X,etc..) Just ignoring them does nothing. It makes you look bad across the nation, and that isn't going to help their side.
20 May 2006, 11:31 PM
Melf

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

LOL.

Confirmed.
20 May 2006, 11:35 PM
Diff-chan

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Originally Posted by avatar

Are you fucking serious?

No. you get rid of bad laws by finding a represenative who will defend you and lead a campaign to overturn these laws. A charasmatic leader who can convince people that something is wrong(i.e MLK, Malcolm X,etc..) Just ignoring them does nothing. It makes you look bad across the nation, and that isn't going to help their side.

Rosa Parks ignored segregation laws in Montgomery, Alabama.

Besides, did you not see the protests the past couple weeks?
20 May 2006, 11:49 PM
Fe 26

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

He's right. The DNC is basically the 21st century mafia. Just ask the people Clinton had killed, like Vince Foster.

My senior history teacher made us watch a tape about that. We also got to watch a tape about ted bundy too.
21 May 2006, 12:46 AM
YellerDog

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

He's right. The DNC is basically the 21st century mafia. Just ask the people Clinton had killed, like Vince Foster.

Uh, yeah. That thing? That bit about conspiricy theroies being bullshit? Yeah, that.
21 May 2006, 01:50 AM
SpoDaddy

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Rosa Parks ignored segregation laws in Montgomery, Alabama.

Besides, did you not see the protests the past couple weeks?

Most people, when the racial discrimination issue was brought to the forefront, realized that racial discrimination is wrong.

Most people, when the illegal immigration issue is brought to the forefront, realize that illegal immigration is wrong and hurts the country. If your cause is bullshit all the protests in the world aren't going to get you mainstream support.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Let's see them.

Ok, here's an "ad hominem" attack you made on me before I even posted in the thread:

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Good thing we have a new brainwashed victim to tow the Bushite party line now that SpoDaddy is indisposed.

Talk about the pot and the fucking kettle
21 May 2006, 01:59 AM
Diff-chan

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

Most people, when the racial discrimination issue was brought to the forefront, realized that racial discrimination is wrong.

Most people, when the illegal immigration issue is brought to the forefront, realize that illegal immigration is wrong and hurts the country. If your cause is bullshit all the protests in the world aren't going to get you mainstream support.

Bullshit. Keep in mind that Plessy vs. Ferguson was around for decades, it was even, dare I say it, "settled law", and the Warren Court TO THIS VERY DAY is derided by conservatives as being a shining standard in the evil "activist judges"/"runaway judiciary" that they wish to smother with a pillow.

The reality is that people love their predujices, their hate, their stereotypes, and that is not changed even with faced with the reality of the situation. Conservative pundits and Fox News spout nonsense horse shit about illegal immigration, toss in the possibility that Muslims are swimming across the Rio Grande (O'Reilly LOVES this), and the perception they want is created. They don't even need to tell the whole story because everybody eats their shit up.

But that's quite getting away from the original intents of this thread. Avatar does that all the time, for some reason.
21 May 2006, 02:06 AM
Fe 26

Why do you get up in the morning? you have such a negative outlook on things.
21 May 2006, 05:46 AM
g0zen

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

Ok, here's an "ad hominem" attack you made on me before I even posted in the thread:

That's one down, we're even. Where's the other 14?
21 May 2006, 06:12 AM
arjue

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Originally Posted by Jester

The only reason to make fun of Australia is your fucking insane government, that makes ours look relaxed, which is funny considering I heard everyone in Canberra is stoned 24/7.

No arguements there. Aside from our governments ability to run an economy, they're totally fucked in the head. Essentially, John Howard wants Australia to be the latest American state.
21 May 2006, 06:23 AM
Fe 26

Who is responsable for sucking the U.S. cock in australia so we will park our aircraft carriers near you so you don't have to spend half as much on defense?
21 May 2006, 06:50 AM
arjue

Dude, we don't have to spend half as much on defense because our country would be ridiculously hard to invade anyways.
21 May 2006, 07:11 AM
Fe 26

I don't know if it would be that hard. What would you guys do? Tell your cross dressers to trick bush like Bugs Bunny?
21 May 2006, 07:41 AM
arjue

Obviously America would pwn us.
21 May 2006, 08:08 AM
SpoDaddy

If Australia didn't fall under the American military umbrella it'd have been blown up 10 times over. In case you hadn't noticed, the islamic jihadists aren't very fond of Australia. Neither is China.
21 May 2006, 10:38 AM
arjue

China is very fond of Australia at the moment as we're in negotiations to supply them with Uranium to help them with their energy crisis (a resource of which Australia is abundant with). Also, Jihadists aren't fond of Australia predominantly because we're so strongly alligned with the US. Perhaps if you did a little research once in a while instead of spouting random fallacies and focussing on semantics rather than the arguements at hand, you'd not come off as a totally fucking worthless, clueless dipshit.

A ground invasion from any Northern country would be hell for them as they'd likely land on Australias northern shore, which is basically vast and very unforgiving wilderness, which leads to the massive desert in the middle. If they choose to instead circle to the east or west side, there is a large chance of them being spotted. The only feasable way to attack Australia is by air, and the neighbouring Asian Pacific countries generally do not have the resources for such an attack. Basically, our best defense is our geography.
21 May 2006, 10:56 AM
Jester

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Originally Posted by arjue

Basically, our best defense is our geography.

That and everything in your country is the most deadly poisonous variant known to man.
"Oh what a pretty little flower." POISON!
"What about this little froggy..." POISON!
"Well surely this fish..." POISON!

All you'd have to do is burn all the books on the local flora and fauna and let the invaders be killed by your local wildlife.
21 May 2006, 11:11 AM
Korly

Tonight – JBL's Great American Celebration: Another video clip aired on your hero and mine, JBL. "John Bradshaw Layfield: A great champion for a greater America. With a constant flow of illegal immigrants choking and debilitating this great nation's economy, John Bradshaw Layfield would not sit idly by any longer." They included a shot of a bunch of Mexicans sitting on the street drinking. Gee, racist much? They showed the clip from April 8th, 2004, of JBL going after some illegal immigrants. JBL yelled at the immigrants at the border "Stop right there!" "Completely disregarding his own safety, America's champion, JBL, single-handedly led the charge to protect this nation's sovereign borders." JBL kicked one in the butt and then yelled at them "You tell everybody south of the border, they better stay south of the border, because this side of the border, John Bradshaw Layfield will be waitin'!" "John Bradshaw Layfield: A great champion for a greater America!"
21 May 2006, 06:08 PM
Fe 26

I wish people would quit throwing the word racist around when talking about this topic. It makes as much sense as calling people racist if they decided to start shooting Canadians. People actually have reasons for what they are doing. Stupid douche bag reasons, but reasons none the less. I'm sure some of the people doing the shooting are racist. But I'm also pretty sure some of them have reasons outside of hating another man for his looks.
21 May 2006, 06:30 PM
Jeremy

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Originally Posted by Korly

Tonight – JBL's Great American Celebration: Another video clip aired on your hero and mine, JBL. "John Bradshaw Layfield: A great champion for a greater America. With a constant flow of illegal immigrants choking and debilitating this great nation's economy, John Bradshaw Layfield would not sit idly by any longer." They included a shot of a bunch of Mexicans sitting on the street drinking. Gee, racist much? They showed the clip from April 8th, 2004, of JBL going after some illegal immigrants. JBL yelled at the immigrants at the border "Stop right there!" "Completely disregarding his own safety, America's champion, JBL, single-handedly led the charge to protect this nation's sovereign borders." JBL kicked one in the butt and then yelled at them "You tell everybody south of the border, they better stay south of the border, because this side of the border, John Bradshaw Layfield will be waitin'!" "John Bradshaw Layfield: A great champion for a greater America!"

Behold, the American HE-RO!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ingWabbits.jpg

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21 May 2006, 06:40 PM
Korly

those are the pics I was looking for.

I woulda just posted the pics, and no story, but I could never find them. :(

Jeremy to the rescue!
21 May 2006, 06:48 PM
voltz

I'm still wondering what those mexicans were thinking when they were hired to do this.
21 May 2006, 06:50 PM
Revoltor

Wrestling has its fingers on the pulse of redneck America.
21 May 2006, 06:54 PM
Jeremy

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Originally Posted by Korly

those are the pics I was looking for.

I woulda just posted the pics, and no story, but I could never find them. :(

Jeremy to the rescue!

YAY! The Judgment Day '04 DVD comes in handy once again. I've also got JBL caps of JBL in the biohazard suit.

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21 May 2006, 06:55 PM
Calliander

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

In conclusion, Clinton got head so he's great and Reagan sucked because he was a Republican.

Quoted for truth.
21 May 2006, 07:15 PM
maruchan

http://www.multimafia.no/revolusjonk...e_demon_03.jpg

El santo, and Blue Demon are ready to kick any ones ass. weither it be dracula or george bush..
21 May 2006, 07:16 PM
Jeremy

Art Barr could frog splash any of them into oblivion, but not before taunting Mexicans with a swimming motion.

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21 May 2006, 07:23 PM
Josh

I love lucha movies.
22 May 2006, 02:31 PM
SpoDaddy

Arjue: Jihadists hate Australia for the same reason they hate the US and Europe (secular western government), and without America's protection China probably wouldn't be "negotiating" with you for your uranium. Also, this isn't 1850, these fancy machines exist now that move around in the air and drop bombs that go boom. Perhaps if you knew what the fuck you were talking about we could have a more mature discussion.

This thread needs a wall with guns on it to keep out wrestling.
22 May 2006, 03:49 PM
Jeremy

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22 May 2006, 07:35 PM
g0zen

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

Arjue: Jihadists hate Australia for the same reason they hate the US and Europe (secular western government),

You have no idea what you're talking about. Seriously, you are not well enough informed to comment, so don't.

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

and without America's protection China probably wouldn't be "negotiating" with you for your uranium.

LOL @ "The Domino Effect" it was horseshit then and it's horseshit now. The US doesn't protect Australia.

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

Also, this isn't 1850, these fancy machines exist now that move around in the air and drop bombs that go boom.

This isn't a military pissing contest. The point should be that America isn't a dumb, brutish nation that would declare war arbitrarily on a former ally just to try and justify all its fancy fighting machines...Oh wait.

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

Perhaps if you knew what the fuck you were talking about we could have a more mature discussion.

I hope you're talking to yourself here, because that's the only way it'd be applicable.
23 May 2006, 02:57 AM
SpoDaddy

G0zen: "nuh-un!" is not a valid counter-argument. That last one where you basically say "I know you are but what am I?" is especially stupid, even for you.
23 May 2006, 04:54 AM
g0zen

I love it when you run out of bullshit spin and have to resort to garbage posts like that one.
23 May 2006, 05:12 AM
arjue

America is an ally of ours, but its not like when Andrew Downer visits China he is escorted by a squadron of US soldiers. China has had a healthy economic relationship with us for years. Oh, and the negoatiations have been settled and we will be supplying them with 20,000 metric tonnes of Uranium each year, so stfu.

As for your whole "flying machines" arguement, what I said still applies; None of the Asia-Pacific countries have the resources to pull off a successful air assault on Australia.

I would love to see you source ANY of the shit you are spewing. You are flat out lying about things you don't know about.
23 May 2006, 05:13 AM
Saint of Killers

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Originally Posted by ChaoofNee

Despite Alan Moore's insanity, I've been reading V for Vendetta, and the beginning of Chapter 5 in Book 1 makes me think of our current situation.
Honestly, if the next Republican candidate has a similar mentality to Bush, I may have to *gasp* vote Democratic.

...unless it's Hillary Clinton.

Fuck Hillary Clinton.

The nightmare scenario is Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush in 2008.

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Originally Posted by IronPlant

I wish people would quit throwing the word racist around when talking about this topic. It makes as much sense as calling people racist if they decided to start shooting Canadians. People actually have reasons for what they are doing. Stupid douche bag reasons, but reasons none the less. I'm sure some of the people doing the shooting are racist. But I'm also pretty sure some of them have reasons outside of hating another man for his looks.

The debate concerning illegal immigration is deeply tied to racism.
23 May 2006, 09:39 AM
Bacon McShig

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Originally Posted by Saint of Killers

The debate concerning illegal immigration is deeply tied to racism.

I dunno, I mean it's an underlying issue certainly, but I think there would be just as much concern over 12 million mostly poor illegal immigrants from any background.
23 May 2006, 09:42 AM
Thief Silver

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Arjue: Jihadists hate Australia for the same reason they hate the US and Europe (secular western government),

I'm pretty sure Australia is to the east....
23 May 2006, 10:48 AM
Diff-chan

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Originally Posted by Bacon

I dunno, I mean it's an underlying issue certainly, but I think there would be just as much concern over 12 million mostly poor illegal immigrants from any background.

The point is that the 12 million immigrants are immigrants, i.e. not American. Outsiders. Just as Mexicans and Muslims are treated today, Germans, Poles, Chinese, Japanese, Irish, etc. were treated before.

A lot of anti-immigration talk from day one is rooted in racism.
23 May 2006, 11:26 AM
Korly

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Originally Posted by Jeremy

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9...lmangun6el.jpg

I approve. :link:
23 May 2006, 11:58 AM
Bacon McShig

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

The point is that the 12 million immigrants are immigrants, i.e. not American. Outsiders. Just as Mexicans and Muslims are treated today, Germans, Poles, Chinese, Japanese, Irish, etc. were treated before.

A lot of anti-immigration talk from day one is rooted in racism.

Um. Muslim is a race? Irish is a race? I think you just proved my point. When there was a mass exodus from Ireland, plenty of people protested... was that caucasians being racist against caucasians?

Xenophobic nationalism is not the same as racism.
23 May 2006, 12:17 PM
Saint of Killers

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Originally Posted by Bacon

Um. Muslim is a race?

Substitute Arab for Muslim.

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Irish is a race? I think you just proved my point. When there was a mass exodus from Ireland, plenty of people protested... was that caucasians being racist against caucasians?

Yup. There was racism against pretty much anyone who wasn't a WASP at one time, including Italians, Poles, and a bunch of other caucasians.

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Xenophobic nationalism is not the same as racism.

It pretty much amounts to the same thing.
23 May 2006, 12:55 PM
Bacon McShig

Close only counts in horseshoes, buckaroo. National orgin and religious affiliation are not the same thing as race.
23 May 2006, 12:57 PM
Diff-chan

Ok, I screwed up by saying Muslim, I meant to say Arab, it still stands.

The point is Americans have always been fearful and ignorant of immigrants.
23 May 2006, 01:14 PM
Vasteel

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Originally Posted by Bacon

Close only counts in horseshoes, buckaroo.

So enlighten us as to what race is, exactly.
Oh, that's right, you can't. Because race is an arbitrary, elusive, and nonexistant concept. What is actually being discussed here is ethnicity. And religion and national origin do factor in to that.
23 May 2006, 01:38 PM
Saint of Killers

Are Jews a race?
23 May 2006, 01:39 PM
Mman

Your moms a race.
23 May 2006, 01:52 PM
Bacon McShig

Hm, I always thought it was much broader (i.e. caucasian, asian, african, etc.) but looking on dictionary.com they even use "the German race" as an example, which I always thought a was a gross misnomer, but I guess I was mistaken. I concede.

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