congress bans funeral protest

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

Don't be a douche. One man's opinion is not an entire country's. I'm fully in the "everyone has the right to free speech, even assholes" camp.

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Sorry about that... but you gotta admit having Andrew is a major liability for you guys.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Keep off the grass... on private property?

Nobody is saying private churches and cemetaries can't tell them to GTFO. But national cemetaries are public. Ive said it like 5 times.

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Where does it say anywhere that public property means one can do anything they damn well please?

I can't run naked through a public park either, but I see no outcry for nudist's free speech rights there.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

I dont know how these guys behave at their protests, but considering a lot of them are lawyers, they're probably orderly and peaceful, and just hold up their signs. That is exactly what is protected, and whatever is written on the signs is irrelevant.

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They also yell and heckle the mourners and yell all sorts of pretty nasty stuff about people they have never met, nor know a single thing about.

But like I said, I can see the argument, doesnt mean I agree with the law.

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I can't run naked through a public park either, but I see no outcry for nudist's free speech rights there.

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You're a smart guy, you know what you just said here is retarded.

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Where does it say anywhere that public property means one can do anything they damn well please?

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Nowhere, but you can do whatever is afforded to you by the Constitution.

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They also yell and heckle the mourners and yell all sorts of pretty nasty stuff about people they have never met, nor know a single thing about.

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Then they should be arrested for harassment/disorderly conduct/whatever. I know that happened a LOT during the RNC, and like 92% of people were not charged. Funny.

I'm not so sure. What's more lewd about being naked than ranting about gays at a funeral?

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Canadians shouldn't be allowed to post in this thread. Because they don't understand what this shit is all about, apparently. Andrew proves as much by saying the same BS that Jetman and Cheebs both did, only to later admit their error. Im not gonna rehash what I said.

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I didnt admit any error in my argument. I just pretty much came full circle in agreeing with this act that was passed. I understand that there are going to be some people like you who are paranoid about your rights being taken away, and yet their are people who want their right to mourn their loved ones protected. This law accounts for both. The protesters can still protest just not to where it harms a once in a lifetime cremony respecting another person's life. This isnt like protesting outside of an abortion clinic everyday or proclaiming your love for Satan while you walk down Third Avenue. This is ruining an event that these families paid money for to show their loved ones off. It shows a complete lack of disregard and common respect for your fellow man and I agree with what was decided by Congress.

No one, NO ONE, wants somebody to picket their loved ones funeral in this manner, not even by your admission you and not even the assholes doing it. So why put up with it?

Chill out with the propagandic attitude. No ones going to come in your house and take away your right to bear arms. No ones going to force you to worship the almighty starfish god Xenu. No ones going to force you to let Joe Bob Joe from the 9th Infantry live in your apartment. No ones going to throw your ass in prison tomorrow for the rest of your life without allowing you to defend yourself.

Their right to protest is still there. They can hold up signs and yell slander to their hearts content and walk around this guys grave like a bunch of loons if they want. Just fucking wait and hold up until his family is done seeing him off.
The act is fair to me.

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Originally Posted by Saint of Killers

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Somebody smart said that once. Anyone who agrees with this law should just go ahead and move to China or some shit. The government will be happy to protect you from being offended over there, commie.

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No body's giving up any liberty. And I'm sure Ben Franklin wouldnt have been chill with people doing this at his family's funeral.

and so I dont agree with families of troops wanting to respectfully send off their sons and daughters who protect these shitheads' right to picket so I deserve to go live in China? No I think THEY need to go live in China to learn a little respect for how great this country is :wtf:

And fuck off. I earned the right to live here,and my family has. Just as much as you. I understand and am thankful everyday for the rights I have. Maybe if you feel so fucked up the ass about a decision that our elected Congress made concerning this matter you should go live elsewhere.

I'm not sure of what the arguement going on here is. The bill isn't there to stop people from protesting, it's more like a restaining order for where they can protest. Given the circumstances, I can't see how this is negativly affecting any rational person. It's just there to keep a respectful buffer between mourners and sociopaths.

If someone is stalking/harassing you, you can get a court order to keep them away from you. Is that a first ammendment violation too?

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Originally Posted by Jetman

The act is fair to me.

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Every part of your argument is ridiculous. You are what's wrong with America today.

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Originally Posted by Jetman

I didnt admit any error in my argument. I just pretty much came full circle in agreeing with this act that was passed. I understand that there are going to be some people like you who are paranoid about your rights being taken away, and yet their are people who want their right to mourn their loved ones protected. This law accounts for both.

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Wrong, it puts one group's comfort over another's rights. It's wrong.

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Originally Posted by Jetman

This is ruining an event that these families paid money for to show their loved ones off. It shows a complete lack of disregard and common respect for your fellow man and I agree with what was decided by Congress.

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Wrong. These funerals are military ones taking place on public property and paid for by the taxpayer. These protestors have a right to be there. If the families didn't want to deal with these people, they'd have a ceremony on private property and be able to tell them to LEGALLY stay away.

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Originally Posted by Jetman

No one, NO ONE, wants somebody to picket their loved ones funeral in this manner, not even by your admission you and not even the assholes doing it. So why put up with it?

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You don't get to ignore people's rights just because it's a popular opinion.

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Originally Posted by Jetman

Chill out with the propagandic attitude. No ones going to come in your house and take away your right to bear arms. No ones going to force you to worship the almighty starfish god Xenu. No ones going to force you to let Joe Bob Joe from the 9th Infantry live in your apartment. No ones going to throw your ass in prison tomorrow for the rest of your life without allowing you to defend yourself.

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Maybe you want to let someone trample on the Constitution but I have more respect for it and my country to sit back and let it happen.

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Originally Posted by Jetman

No body's giving up any liberty. And I'm sure Ben Franklin wouldnt have been chill with people doing this at his family's funeral.

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"All human situations have their inconveniences. We feel those of the present but neither see nor feel those of the future; and hence we often make troublesome changes without amendment, and frequently for the worse." - Ben Franklin

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Originally Posted by Jetman

And fuck off. I earned the right to live here,and my family has. Just as much as you. I understand and am thankful everyday for the rights I have. Maybe if you feel so fucked up the ass about a decision that our elected Congress made concerning this matter you should go live elsewhere.

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I have just as much right to be here and dissent as you do to be here and go lock step with this shit.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Every part of your argument is ridiculous. You are what's wrong with America today.

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uh, I am? I didnt know decency and respect for a person's funerary rites was ridiculous and wrong. I think we are just going to have to disagree on that one.

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Originally Posted by Gozen

Wrong, it puts one group's comfort over another's rights. It's wrong.

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And allowing the religious group to picket on site during the funeral would put their rights over those of the family to bury their kids. I'm not saying they have to stop completely just have a little bit of tact and respect and hold off on that nonsense until the proceedings are over. How would you feel if there was a religious group that thought R- rated movies were of the devil and decided to picket in the middle of the theater during a movie during a movie you were trying to watch. But, hey, just ignore it man, because that's their right to say whatever they please. You know, wouldnt want to ruin their "comfort" zone because everybody has to be happy...

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Wrong. These funerals are military ones taking place on public property and paid for by the taxpayer. These protestors have a right to be there. If the families didn't want to deal with these people, they'd have a ceremony on private property and be able to tell them to LEGALLY stay away.

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I think these troops have earned the right to be buried with some dignity in a National cemetary. If you died in a helicopter over Iraq after it was shot down by an insurgent I'd say the same thing about you. Do you not have a single patriotic bone in your body?

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Originally Posted by Gozen

You don't get to ignore people's rights just because it's a popular opinion.

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They arent being ignored. They are being curtailed so as not to completely disturb and turn something sacred into a complete cluster fuck media grabbing show.

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Originally Posted by Gozen

Maybe you want to let someone trample on the Constitution but I have more respect for it and my country to sit back and let it happen.

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Oh, come on. Well once the almighty Skynet takes over our country and monitors everything we say and do, then I'll join the Underground Movement of Gozen. Until that day, I think I'll stand behind a rational commen sense decision by our Congress to keep crazy religious groups from disturbing families during funerals.

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Originally Posted by Gozen

"All human situations have their inconveniences. We feel those of the present but neither see nor feel those of the future; and hence we often make troublesome changes without amendment, and frequently for the worse." - Ben Franklin

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"Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment."
- Benjamin Franklin

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No body's giving up any liberty. And I'm sure Ben Franklin wouldnt have been chill with people doing this at his family's funeral.

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Bullshit on the order of "the founding fathers were all Christian". He would've been the last person to stop people from exercising their rights.

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You are what's wrong with America today.

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Agreed.

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And allowing the religious group to picket on site during the funeral would put their rights over those of the family to bury their kids.

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Find me the place in Amendment 1-10 that says people have a right to bury their kids. Please. As I said before they certainly deserve that chance but the right to protest trumps that. It's really quite simple.

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How would you feel if there was a religious group that thought R- rated movies were of the devil and decided to picket in the middle of the theater during a movie during a movie you were trying to watch.

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Private property.

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They arent being ignored. They are being curtailed so as not to completely disturb and turn something sacred into a complete cluster fuck media grabbing show.

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No, they are being curtailed to the point of irrelevance. The right to protest without actually being able to protest is not a right at all.

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Oh, come on. Well once the almighty Skynet takes over our country and monitors everything we say and do, then I'll join the Underground Movement of Gozen. Until that day, I think I'll stand behind a rational commen sense decision by our Congress to keep crazy religious groups from disturbing families during funerals.

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Fools like you just don't get it, and its why this country is in such sorry shape.

I don't even know why they need a specific law for funerals...

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Originally Posted by dictionary.law.com

disturbing the peace
n. upsetting the quiet and good order particularly through loud noise, by fighting or other unsocial behavior which frightens or upsets people. It is a misdemeanor, punishable by fine or brief term in jail.

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Why wouldn't it fall under this?