more and more HDTVs are being sold, so people will care once they get one.
don't mind advocate, he only makes $2/hour.
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more and more HDTVs are being sold, so people will care once they get one.
don't mind advocate, he only makes $2/hour.
I've been working at two retail stores since they both came out and neither store has ever sold even a single disc of either format, let alone a player. What's your point? You own one and know others that do? I can gaurantee that for every person you know that owns one I've dealt with at least a few hundred that don't. Our personal experience doesn't matter in the slightest here.Quote:
Originally Posted by TobalRox
I own an HDTV and I haven't bought either format, nor will I until they make a standard or until Samsung releases their dual-format player (provided they get around to that).
In any case, you brought up marwan as an example. If Sony used squirrel shit as a memory card he would hype it.
Exactly... As I work and show more and more people the format, the people with HDTVs are very excited and are just waiting for the price of HD-DVD to go down (no one wants Blu-Ray save for a few people).Quote:
Originally Posted by marwan
I work at one retail store and I've sold probably around 10-15. Not a lot, but it still means I've sold some. They were all HD-DVD except for one. There's this one guy that comes in every week to see if anything new came out and he has BOTH formats. He bought the Blu-Ray at our store. We sold another player there too, but we don't carry the HD-DVD player (yet, we sell that many discs... so what's that tell you?). You're right though, my experience doesn't mean anything since it's one area. But shit is definitely picking up, and with more and more titles coming out (esp. with day and date releases) you'll see more people interested. I deal with a ton of people that don't have a player either, but as I said, they are waiting for the price to drop, or they don't have an HDTV. That doesn't mean no one cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
I waited for the combo player, then I saw Blu-Ray and laughed. I realy don't care about blu-ray at all. I used to, I don't anymore. I believe that it's even possible for both formats to co-exist if combo players came out... but there is just nothing that impresses me about Blu-Ray, yet everyday I find more and more I like about HD-DVD.Quote:
I own an HDTV and I haven't bought either format, nor will I until they make a standard or until Samsung releases their dual-format player (provided they get around to that).
PS3 should help boost BD players sales. it's just a matter of time. Even if the PS3 has slow sales to begin with, it'll still help boost BD sales and familiarize people with the format.
and if BD fails, PS3 will always be there to keep it afloat.
Either that or it becomes a burden by forcing developers to create games with a dead disc format in mind (see: PSP)Quote:
Originally Posted by marwan
PS3 will help player sales? That doesn't make any sense... unless you mean sales of players counting the system as a player. If so, then yes, it will help. But that means that there will be 400,020 players sold at PS3 launch ;) Esp. with that crap logo on the PS3 game cases, it makes it look like Blu-Ray is for PS3 only, much like UMD is PSP only (even though that's not the case with the PS3) and that will hurt it... but at least it's on your TV, unlike UMD. So as usual, only time will tell, but I just do not see Blu-Ray succeeding.Quote:
Originally Posted by marwan
This is what I see as being the reality of what will happen. Although I see it being like GameCube where it's just accepted that that is the format for the game system, so it won't be a big deal. It doesn't have limitations of a specialized format like the GameCube discs do/did, so developers won't mind so much (except for the higher cost)... so it'll be fine as a game format, it just won't work as a home video format.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrialSword
oops, i meant PS3 will help boost BD sales. my bad.
I wonder if people will bitch at HD-DVD cases when they buy the HD-DVD player for the 360.
http://www.248pm.com/proxy/index.php...rge%2F2966.jpg
EDIT: where's Andy when you need him.
HD-DVD are ugly as well. It's really amazing that we have two huge new video formats, NEITHER of which can bother to spend a bit of money on somebody who knows at least something about design and packaging.
As I mentioned in the other thread, people need to know when it's a different format. And there aren't games coming to HD-DVD, so it's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by marwan
http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/14/r...scs-will-play/
samsung players will play dual layered
I find it odd that magically out of nowhere it will work.. when that is supposedly what was holding back the release of other players. We'll have to wait and see. If true, that's good news for Blu-Ray owners.... I would have felt really burned after spending that kind of money if I couldn't play newer discs.
Sony has delayed their set top Blu-Ray player AGAIN
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/10/20/so...r_delayed_dec/
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Tokyo (Japan) - Sony has once again delayed their BDP-S1 standalone Blu-Ray disc player. The player is now expected to ship on December 4th, 2006 for $1000. Originally announced back in March for a July release, Sony has repeatedly pushed the release to August, October and now December.
See a lineup of current and upcoming players...
The BDP-S1 is a small, living room-based player that produces true 1080 progessive output through an HDMI interface. Standard definition DVDs are upscaled to 1080p resolution. Audio-wise the player is no slouch and gives both Dolby Digital and DTS 5.1 surround sound at 192 khz at 24-bit sampling.
You can pre-order the BDP-S1 player from Sony's website. For those who balk at spending the $1000 for the new BDP-S1, Sony is throwing in a free Blu-Ray enhanced copy of "The Fifth Element" movie.
How is a standard DVD going to look upscaled to 1080p? I'm thinking not too swift.
it all depends on the chip used to do the upscallingQuote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
if it uses one like the one in the Oppo the farouja (spelling) chip then they look not too bad, no wheres near as good true HD content but better than most HDTV's internal scaller
anything you watch on an HDTV is scalled up to that tvs native resolution, so if you've allready been watching SD dvds on an HDTV then you bassicaly know how they would look, with a really good upscalling chip theyd look a little bit better
I have an HD-DVD player and it upscales. I can't compare it to anything else, but I barely notice a difference at 1080i (I don't have a 1080p TV and 720p runs windowboxed). It's better, yes, but not enough for me to care. I just like the fact that it actually plays the discs so I don't need two players hooked up.
Real data finally available:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...s_Numbers_/456
Which, coincidentally, would actually put it at a quicker pace than that Fox chart that I posted was projecting.Quote:
According to VideoScan, during the first two weeks of January, Blu-ray discs outsold HD DVD by more than a 2:1 margin.
Amazon sales rank 20 minutes ago:
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/rank.aspx
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http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6272/03by6.jpg
DVDEmpire sales rank:
http://www.dvdempire.com/index.asp?u...ite_media_id=0
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lol @ this thread
from the looks of that you'd guess that blu ray is winning
It would be a reasonable guess, yes.
BRAY WINS!!!!!!!
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...1&d=1170547606
Blu Ray is so obviously going to demolish HD-DVD. HD DVD doesn't have a chance, never has. The only question is whether it's going to be eclipsed by downloadable movies.
EDIT: And that Paula Abdul cover is creepy, it's like she has an open mouth in her forehead, leading straight into the gaping maw that is her brain cavity.
Has pr0n entered any of these stats yet? Indeed. Let's not get too cocky just yet, Sony whores.
They both have porn. Don't listen to FUD.
porn isn't going to make as big an impact as it did with VHS to DVD, its a big flaming obvious. BDA already said they dont have a problem with porn, and companies ARE releasing their content blu-ray. Take the anti-anything-sony stick out of your ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Compass
as for digital distribution, im not too crazy about it. Physically owning the disc makes me feel a lot more comfortable putting the money down.
Never.Quote:
Originally Posted by RDM Brian
then enjoy knowing something having to do with sony is in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Compass
I like owning artifacts, not code.
I love XBLA.
The market for HD discs is still so tiny that none of those charts or stats really mean much. When players are at the $200 mark and adoption by the mainstream consumer picks up, the outcome could go either way.
The internets make porn a non-factor. Seriously, who the fuck pays for porn in this day and age?
Porn is a few billion dollars a year industry. So obviously some one is.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordPerrin
I'm still not upgrading my player.
Still doesn't change the fact that it won't "win the war" like it did back in the VCR days. The situations are totally and completely different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
That's true too - part of the reason it made such a difference in VHS/Beta was that prior to that, there was NO way to view porn in your own home. You had to go to a skeezy adult theater. Apart from the internet factor, there's the simple fact that porn @ home isn't new anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Besides which... is HD porn really a good idea? I mean, look what HD can do to regular actors' and actresses' faces... :yuck:
I have some 720p porn, it's okay but you see a LOT more veinage/stubbleQuote:
Originally Posted by LordPerrin
HD-DVD should be dead by this time next year. Told you guys.
LinkQuote:
March 8, 2007 -- 'THE Departed" recently premiered on two new - and utterly incompatible - video for mats in addition to standard DVD.
Now the war between those formats, which has been almost as brutal as the clashes in Martin Scorsese's movie, seems to be coming to a head.
For the first time, in the first two months of 2007 total sales of Blu-ray discs passed those of HD DVD, according to the most recent figures from Nielsen VideoScan.
And propelled by the introduction of Sony's PlayStation 3 - which can play Blu-ray technology - sales of Blu-ray discs have exploded to nearly three times those of HD DVD discs since Christmas.
It's the first clear sign that consumers are choosing sides in the nastiest video format war since VHS emerged victorious over Sony's Betamax machines in the 1980s.
"The format war is in its final phase," crows Steve Feldstein of 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, which, like Sony and Disney, is releasing titles exclusively on Blu-ray. "It's never been a question of if Blu-ray will pass HD DVD, but a matter of when."
Not so fast, says Ken Graffeo of Universal Studios Home Entertainment, the only major studio exclusively supporting the embattled HD DVD format, which was developed by Toshiba. (Warner Home Video and Paramount Home Video are producing titles in both formats for now.)
Graffeo blames the recent surge for Blu-ray on the paucity of new titles on HD DVD - about half the number of titles released by Blu-ray since the beginning of the year - and argues Blu-ray sales are actually much lower than you would expect, given the huge number of PS3s out there.
"You can't determine a trend over a couple of months," says Graffeo, who notes that total sales for both formats are roughly equal since their introductions last year.
But some experts are ready to play taps for the HD DVD format - and are saying it's safe to buy Blu-ray players without fear they'll end up being sold as relics on eBay.
Alison Casey, who analyzes consumer trends for London-based Understanding & Solutions, predicts that retailers will pull the plug on HD DVD sometime next year.
"They never wanted two formats. It confuses consumers and creates problems with them with returns," Casey told The Post. "They're looking to go to a single format as soon as possible."
In Casey's view, the many studios providing movies on Blu-ray, along with its inclusion in the PS3 (listing for $500, about the same as the cheapest HD DVD player) gives it an insurmountable advantage over HD DVD. (An attachment to play HD DVD discs is available as a $200 add-on for Xbox.)
And she says Sony's advantage will increase if the electronics giant makes good on its promise to drop prices for Blu-ray players - currently about $800 - to $600 this summer and below $300 by the end of the year.
Casey thinks Warner Home Video's recently announced plans to sell combo discs containing both formats will only confuse consumers.
LG Electronics will begin selling machines that can play both formats by the end of the year, but the whopping $1,200 price tag may put off customers. Bigger hardware manufacturers don't seem interested at this point in making combo machines.
But in the end, software may be HD DVD's Achilles' heel.
"If you look at the top 25 selling DVDs last year, 23 were released on Blu-ray," Fox's Feldstein says. "Just two were exclusive to HD DVD."
The biggest booster of HD DVD format, albeit reluctantly, has been the porn industry. Sony has reportedly refused to replicate porn on Blu-ray discs, and Disney, which does business with several Blu-ray replicators, is said to have contractually prohibited them from handling porn.
But HD DVD may be losing even that advantage - Vivid Entertainment, the leader in the porn field, will soon debut "Debbie Does Dallas" on Blu-ray.
Blu-ray may triumph over HD DVD in the near future, but analyst Casey says it will take five years or more to overtake the hugely popular standard DVD format. DVD discs are currently cheaper (Blu-ray discs retail between $30 and $40) and represent nearly 99 percent of all video sales, while DVD machines are available for well under $100.
"In four or five years, broadband speeds will have increased to the point where downloading movies and burning them to a disc becomes much more easy and appealing than going out and buying a disc for many consumers," analyst Casey says.
You know, he's probably right.Quote:
Originally Posted by official commenting guy
*looks at his huge pile of DVDs and the rows of DVDs lining store shelves*
I hope Blu-ray enjoys it's gigantic sucess of managing to sell 1000 titles nation-wide while HD-DVD only manages to sell 300. Horray for being the least-ignored out of the two widely-ignored formats!
Now if you two formats don't mind, we need that shelf space for the $5.00 bargain DVDs. People gotta' buy "8 Legged Freaks", ya know?
Shit happens. I'm not gonna be abandoning my hd-dvd player, but maybe buying less titles. Tell you what though, I'd buy more hd-dvd titles if I could fucking find them in the store.
I love that Cheebs goes to the trouble of RGB modding systems from archaeological expeditions but won't go HD.
Wow. Way to manipulate the numbers to make your point seem more valid. How many of these 23 on blu-ray were ALSO released on HD-DVD? I am sure more than 2, asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by some douchebag "expert"
Oppo Upconverting.
No interest in new video formats until the players are under $100 and ALL the kinks are worked out.
What he said, and the movies are under $10 and "Six Legged Amazon" on next gen format easily found in Wally bins. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JefmcC
Yeah, seriously, that's some ridiculous spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildkat
I don't have either, but I was pulling for HD DVD because their burgundy cases look much nicer than Bluray's ugly blue ones.
Fuck both formats. Call me when there's something more offered than a prettier picture. Regular DVDs are enough for me right now, and I like being able to find any movie I want for under $20 (unless it's a set). I don't care enough about this format war to even begin to take a side. I'm also not going to pay $300-$600 for another DVD player, just so I can have a prettier picture.
When the dust settles and this shit is over, then I'll care.
Entire seasons of old non-HD TV shows on single discs FTW. I would kill to have all of The X-Files take up only the amount of shelf/disc-wallet space that a single season currently does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
30 year old low-budget porno will turn the tide?Quote:
But HD DVD may be losing even that advantage - Vivid Entertainment, the leader in the porn field, will soon debut "Debbie Does Dallas" on Blu-ray.
That article told us shit. LOL at people defending either format. Its a format that many people (General Populace) think is being "FORCED' onto them.
Fucktards who are happy with the PS2 probably feel that way too. Fuck them.
On the one side, yeah, but if people make Blu-Ray a success it may usher in a future trend where companies start releasing new formats as often as Nintendo releases updated Gameboys. There's something about having the feeling that the format you own and have invested $$ in will be around for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Is this the current practice with either format, or is it something promised for the future? I haven't seen any Blu-Ray or HD-DVD boxed sets anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordPerrin
Thats why I used the quotes, Yosh. I know its not, but alot of people have invested money in DVD's and now they are being "TOLD" that this new format is the "Wave of the Future". My thing is that both formats are not fully developed yet and they released this stuff way to early.
I have Smallville Season 5, Sopranos Season 6 is also out, on HD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
At least, then. If they do offer entire seasons on a single disc, that would be a definite bonus. I do hate the shit practice of dividing seasons into parts.
Well, Smallville is broadcast in HD, but I don't have an HD box so DVD was the way to go. Since they are HD quality, and not just regular quality on HD Storage, the single disc method doesn't work. However it is still smaller (Shelf size wise) than the original release.
I don't know what's dumber, owning a new DVD format or buying TV on DVD.
Owning your favorite shows on DVD is great. No commercials are great.
IAWTP.
I don't even watch shows on TV anymore, just wait for the DVDs. Watching a whole season in one go, with everything being new, is so damn great.
Stores used to sell 8-track tapes too. also cassettes. Then those faggot ass compact discs with their superior audio quality came along and ruined everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheebs
There comes a time when outdated technology has to be removed in favour of newer, better technology. This is not hard to understand... just because you can't understand the difference between SD and HD doesn't mean the rest of the world can't.
You're like a 60 year old man still watching old self recorded Star Trek vhs tapes.
The price for any HBO boxset is criminal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chux
Then just tivo the shit, and extract it yourself.
Or Internets.
I love the people saying we don't need an HD movie format cause it just offers a prettier picture/sound and then bitch and moan that the Wii isn't HD.
Personally I wish the Wii was HD and I also wish we had one definitive hd disc format that didn't have blu or ray in the name.
That's how I roll, chief. Just making an observation. I was going to buy season one of the Sopranos but it was $80. That price can eat me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildkat
i remember back when DVD was just starting out. The most i EVER saw for months was at a costco, a meager 4 foot shelf with DVD movies. Blu-Ray has beraly launched along side the PS3, and you ALREADY expect it to be taking mass amounts of DVD space? DVD didnt do it that fast with VHS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheebs
If there is an HD version of the movie i want to buy, im gonna get it. thats how ive been going with movie purchases right now.
I've about had it with HD DVD. I used to be in favor of HD DVD because it had the exact same quality as BluRay but tended to be on the more expensive side ($35 for the Transporter movies???) However, Universal has decided to release most, if not all, of their major releases as combo discs this year. I refuse to pay $35-$40 for a combo disc when it could be $10 cheaper if it was just HD DVD. As of right now, BD has my vote in the format war if this does not change.
I also don't see how these formats are being forced on people. As far as I know, movies are still being released on DVD and I haven't heard about them not releasing any movies on DVD.
SD DVD forever.
It doesnt have a snowball's chance in hell, but..
http://www.nmeinc.com/
40 GB red laser DVD. Dirt cheap compared to either blue laser disc. Players could be as cheap as $200 TOMMOROW, and it cost about 9 cents a disc to produce.
But...no studio backing=failure. Maybe it will catch on in poorer areas like VCD did and we can get tons of pirate VMDs from there.
This is just as stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revoltor
I didn't realize owning TV on DVD was a problem either, but here we are defending it.
WWRD?
Make a funny joke.
A horse walks into a bar and the bartender asks, why the long face
I don't agree with you often, because frankly you rarely make any damn sense, but you nailed this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
TV DVD's are awesome, and its the only way to watch TV shows.
My friend just introduced me to Alias, and I couldn't imagine ever watching this show as it aired on network television....with all the commercial breaks, re-runs, and hiatuses during the season. I'm on Season 2 now, and I love just watching the seasons at my own pace.
Season 2 of Veronica Mars was perfect on DVD too, and I still haven't bothered watching a single episode of Season 3 because I'm waiting for the DVD box set. Its just sad that people like me are probably responsible for the doubts I have about this show being renewed for a fourth season.
Yeah, you're killing TV. Do the right thing and download it off the internet.
I don't know about that. Fox said they didn't really care too much if Family Guy didn't have stellar ratings when it returned, and that their justification for relaunching it was all the money they knew the subsequent DVDs would make.
Then why not just go straight to DVD?
Well, that probably would be a better strategy if they thought nobody was going to tune in. I guess they have it worked out where they know not as many people need to tune in as the old days because they can make up any lost ad revenue money from DVD sales. Plus, broadcasting the show once a week serves as a sort of advertising for the DVDs. People would probably just forget about it if they didn't have it shoved in their face all the time on TV.
why just get profit on dvd sales? profit off the commercials, then profit off the dvd sales. maybe get some more viewers and buyers while at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
It's nice to know we can at least agree on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I bought season one of Battlestar Galactica on the cheap. I had missed most of that season, because of my work schedule, so it was cool to have this option available so soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by magnifiedplaid
This past December, I finally got Verizon HD in my home and an HD DVR. HD Net broadcasts several shows in HD, including Battlestar Galactica (Season 2) Firefly, Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek:Enterprise. It's cool to see these shows in widescreen and 1080i.
It's kind of disappointing to see the current Battlestar Galactica on the regular old Sci-fi channel, because they aren't offering the channel in HD.
You mean like the high definition standard? Nobody's forcing it on anyone, it's just that everyone's buying HDTVs, and yet many of them (an embarassing number of whom are in this thread) are too retarded to understand that a medium with enough storage space for HD media is needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate
This is true. I agree with that. Yet when Clinton signed that Telecommunications Bill of 1996. It is "forcing" broadcast TV to turn digital. This is where the confusion lies. Most people think that Digital broadcast is the same as HD broadcast. One is the way its being sent. The other is the way its being taped. So most people are buying TV's based on that info. When in fact all they have to do is get cable with a dig box OR Satallite. Getting Cable with a dig box is 45 cents more a month. If you want the digital channels and ONdEMAND its about 14.95 (depending on your cable provider and region). If you live in a Comcast area there are a shit-ton of promotions that Comcast DOES NOT let people know about.Quote:
Originally Posted by StriderKyo
I don't disagree Strider, but the general populace is already having a tough time with coming to terms with HD, why confuse them more with two different formats. I know Yoshi hates when I say this, but I am getting an obscene amount of people coming in asking questions about HD. Then when I ask them about Blu Ray and HD DVD. They tell me to "stop confusing them".Quote:
Originally Posted by StriderKyo
Here's the main problem: DVD upconverted on an HDTV looks really damn good.
Why go to a new format then?
VHS was booted out the door because DVD
*didn't need to be rewound
*took 100,000 x less shelf space
*had a better picture
*boosted the audio up to 6 channels
*offered subtitles and dubbed languages without buying the title a second time.
*Could instantly skip to any part of the movie.
*Would not degrade picture/sound quality over multiple playings.
So, what do these new formats have over DVD?
*better picture.
It's a tough battle.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheebs
for me, i got the HDTV and DVDs looked fine. I got the ps3 and popped in some blu-rays and the picture looked awesome, and was definately maximizing my hdtv purchase.
Is it needed? Not entirely, but why buy an hdtv if you wont be using it for hd content? Be it gaming, movie, or programming?
Because if you want anything bigger than a 27" screen, you have to go HD whether you want to or not.
Sales of HDTVs are driven almost entirely by big screen purchases, and it wouldn't surprise me if most of those big screens are connected to their video sources using composite or even RF.
What country you from?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
I'm sold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheebs
You forget, you had to flip a laser disc for the 2nd half of the movie. Consumers don't like huge pains in the ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
No I didn't, they made players which could read both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheebs
Yeah, but they were expensive as hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
But either way, all one camp needs to do to kill the other is ship a sub $300 player. The first format to do that will win, regardless of content.
But there were a good number of 2 disc movies. So you still had to get up at some point to change discs.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by Wildkat
i dont get what this has to do with blu-ray unless theyve announced double sided blu-rays cause they couldnt get the movie on a single sided disc.
I've had an Oppo for a year or so now and it's nice, but HD content still shits all over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheebs
HD-DVD and BluRay have better sound in addition to better picture. They also have more interactive features but I don't think these are totally implemented yet.
You forgot about flipping the LD...Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
Edit - missed that somebody nailed this.
And yeah, the units that flipped the discs automatically were routinely over a grand.
Under standard DVD, you forgot to list special features (commentaries, deleted scenes, making-ofs, etc). It's something Blu-Ray sorely lacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheebs
I was looking at a release list up to like may.
There are at least 5x more blu ray dvd's coming out than hd.
Blu-Ray's don't have any special features? Almost all of my HD-DVDs have just as much stuff as the regular DVDs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
This makes me a sad panda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chux
So were DVD players.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
I was an early DVD adopter, and in the beginning there were discs that had to be flipped. Only one comes to mind was Seven, but I know I had others as well. What a pain in the ass.
I apologize to everyone who supported HD DVD over Bluray. I recently got into HD DVD myself, so that clinches it. Bluray will win.
For proof, I'll list all the consoles I bought as my primary console for their generation. Sega Master System, Turbo Grafx, Saturn, Dreamcast.
Again, I apologize for killing the format.
The only DVD I ever had the needed to be flipped was Stargate. And that was the 3rd DVD I ever owned. I almost gave up on the format when I thought more movies would be like that.