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I care about three types of people who cannot fend for themselves: children, the elderly, and handicapped. End of list. If you're not in those groups, I hope you die on the street to keep my taxes lower. Get a fucking job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
People have to wait in the ER in the US now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...er-waits_x.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...ts_x.htm#table
Ask a Canadian which system they'd rather have.
That's because they're helping the uninsured and the illegals. There's no line in the gutter.
My mother is a doctor, and although she is no expert on the subject, she thinks that free healthcare would make this wait worse. I mean, every Tom, Dick, and Harry would come in if they had a scratch.
And oh yea, a lot of people bring up Canada's wait times as an example of why national health care is bad. It's a straw man. Well, 31 other countries have national health care. Not all of them have wait times like that.
Agreed, as heartless as this sounds, people who are in the prime of life, healthy, and have no jobs are sucking the tit of America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I think if you want a place to stay, clothes, food, and healthcare, you MUST give back to the country, I don't care if you pick up litter for 8 hours a day. I grow tired of assholes in section 8 housing driving brand new BMW's while their kids where 10 year old clothes and their house if full of people. They don't work, they take, fuck takers.
It's not a straw man, show me the average wait list for these 31 countries vs the us, or you are employing the strawman here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Ill try to find more:
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi...aff.w4.487/DC1
So apparently Australia and NZ are aces.Quote:
To explore accessibility to patients, the survey asked about timeliness, twenty-four-hour availability, and financial access. Reports revealed striking between-country differences. The majority of adults in New Zealand and Australia said that they received appointments the same day the last time they were sick and needed medical attention. In contrast, only one-third or less of Canadian or U.S. adults reported such rapid access. Canadian and U.S. adults also reported long waits, with 20–25 percent waiting at least six days to get an appointment when sick, a waiting time rare in Australia or New Zealand.
Difficulty in getting care nights, weekends, or holidays was of significant concern in all five countries. Although problems were most widespread in the United States, majorities of adults in Australia and Canada also said that after-hours access was difficult. Even in New Zealand, where the rate of difficulty was lowest, one-third of adults viewed after-hours access as difficult.
Emergency room care. The emergency room (ER) serves as a sensitive indicator for how well care systems are responding to patients’ needs. ER use rates during the past two years were significantly higher in Canada and the United States than the other three countries (Exhibit 3). Canadian and U.S. adults were also more likely to have gone to the ER for care that their regular source could have provided if available. In these two countries, such ER visits accounted for about half of recent ER use. The survey also found use of the ER substituting for regular physician care in the other three countries, but to a lesser extent. Notably, adults in Canada and the United States were less likely than adults in the other countries to report rapid access to doctors when sick and more likely to say that after-hours access was difficult. In combination, these indicators signal widespread patient concerns about timely primary care access in both countries.
ER waits appear to be a particular concern in Canada, but waits were also often long in the United Kingdom and United States. Lack of effective ER response to pain emerged as a shared concern across countries.
Asked to consider times when they needed care or treatment, the majority of patients in all countries except the United States think that their doctors always make goals and plans clear, with Australia and New Zealand being the most positive; one in five U.K. and U.S. adults responded negatively to this item.
Thanks for the info, but what's the population density of NZ and AU vs US?
Look, I'll take waiting for medical treatment as opposed to none at all.
One thing that never gets brought up by the detractors is that national health care does not negate your ability to buy better, private care if you can and are so inclined. Which is also the way it's done must places that have it.
In any case, we have one of the most inefficient setups regarding healthcare now, where it's half-socialized and the practices eat the cost, half private. Either you have complete socialized healthcare or none at all (thus lowering the overhead significantly, although I think that time has long passed). You can't really go halfway.
Well the US obviously has a lot more people, but we spend over twice as much per capita on medical care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba
Indeed, I think Australia gives you a "voucher" of sorts that you can use to buy better health care if you dont want to use the governmental one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasteel