$22M is fucking peanuts. The guy is way overpaid, but that's not that much money when divided among thousands of employees.
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$22M is fucking peanuts. The guy is way overpaid, but that's not that much money when divided among thousands of employees.
European and Asian companies that give their employees pensions and job security, you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Maybe the fight is on health care, if the government was providing it then the companies wouldn't have to pay for it out of pocket.
But you're against that, too.
He's not the only exec at Pfizer, he's not the only one that uses the corporate jet, has a fleet of drivers, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
If the government provided health care, then it would tax both the companies and workers more to pay for it. Money comes from private business and nowhere else.
No NATIONAL health care, ever, thanks.
They have more benefits and much lower wages. This is even true of Canada. It's not the companies' fault that their employees are too stupid to invest or buy healthcare with the additional wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
See this is the inherent problem with Democrats, they want to give the people welfare, and health care, and cars, and places to stay. To do this, they raise taxes, and raise taxes, and raise taxes. Problem Diff is that their is a threshold where Billy Joe Average can't afford to pay any more taxes.
No, we need welfare reform, and no national healthcare, period.
I understand. I think we're all on the same page that execs piss away ridiculous amounts of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Look at the stats. We spend more as a % of GDP than any country with nationalized health care. AND get inferior care for routine procedures. AND 45 million people don't get any care at all. The cheapest and most well-run healthcare 'businesses' in the US are Medicare and the VA. Coincidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Just go to any country's citizen and ask them, "would you rather get taxed at the rate you get taxed here + national health care or get taxed at the US rate + the US health system".
I refuse to buy the line that we have to shit on the workforce or there are no jobs for anyone. Thats the line that has been fed by countless companies and Administrations.
What's wrong with national healthcare? Seems like a good idea to me.
Your are paid what you are worth, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
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Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
You ever been to Canada my man?
I have never seen a statement that we get anything other than the best healthcare, and I am willing to pay more for that.
Agreed, I can pay for the best, so I want the best. I do not want to wait 4 months for a toothache because every social dentist is booked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Sure the hospitals are packed but at least everyone is covered. It's horrible to have people without health insurance who need it in this country. Adding taxes to protect the health of the people seems reasonable to me.
Planes leave for Beijing every day. Get on one.
Agreed, Razor, you know not of what you speak.
Let's say you have cancer, so does 20,000 other people in your city, you're on the wait list pal, hope you don't die before they get to you.
There are tons of people in this country who cannot afford healthcare. Because of it they go further down into debt for procedures they need treated. If not a full-blown government healthcare system, make a system where government healthcare goes to those who need it.
I just think both of you don't give a shit about those who cannot fend for themselves.
The US has the best care for exotic, cutting edge treatments, but for a lot of routine stuff it does not. Infant mortality rates are higher here than other OECD countries, cancer survival rates are not as good, maternal survival is lower, life expectancy, and so forth. Keep in mind that so many people dont have insurance, dont get the care they need, and end up coming in later much sicker and the government picks up the tab anyway. Maybe you would rather they die on the street, I dont know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
There's a good book about this, if you care: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006...607027?ie=UTF8
That's basically the gist of it. Unfortunately you cannot convince people who are brainwashed with delusions of grandeur by the corporation that other people are out there. You cannot convince those people that they should work to better society, even if they themselves have benefitted from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
And if you mother bled to death in the emergency room while you waited for some asshole with a "knee injury" looking for painkillers, you're okay with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
I suspect a lot of those stats are more due to our unhealthy lifestyles than the medical care. There's a negative correlation between number of McDonald's and life expectency.
Oh, and the
Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic say you're wrong. Look them up, that's where the worlds rich go for care.
I care about three types of people who cannot fend for themselves: children, the elderly, and handicapped. End of list. If you're not in those groups, I hope you die on the street to keep my taxes lower. Get a fucking job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
People have to wait in the ER in the US now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...er-waits_x.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...ts_x.htm#table
Ask a Canadian which system they'd rather have.
That's because they're helping the uninsured and the illegals. There's no line in the gutter.
My mother is a doctor, and although she is no expert on the subject, she thinks that free healthcare would make this wait worse. I mean, every Tom, Dick, and Harry would come in if they had a scratch.
And oh yea, a lot of people bring up Canada's wait times as an example of why national health care is bad. It's a straw man. Well, 31 other countries have national health care. Not all of them have wait times like that.
Agreed, as heartless as this sounds, people who are in the prime of life, healthy, and have no jobs are sucking the tit of America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I think if you want a place to stay, clothes, food, and healthcare, you MUST give back to the country, I don't care if you pick up litter for 8 hours a day. I grow tired of assholes in section 8 housing driving brand new BMW's while their kids where 10 year old clothes and their house if full of people. They don't work, they take, fuck takers.
It's not a straw man, show me the average wait list for these 31 countries vs the us, or you are employing the strawman here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Ill try to find more:
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi...aff.w4.487/DC1
So apparently Australia and NZ are aces.Quote:
To explore accessibility to patients, the survey asked about timeliness, twenty-four-hour availability, and financial access. Reports revealed striking between-country differences. The majority of adults in New Zealand and Australia said that they received appointments the same day the last time they were sick and needed medical attention. In contrast, only one-third or less of Canadian or U.S. adults reported such rapid access. Canadian and U.S. adults also reported long waits, with 20–25 percent waiting at least six days to get an appointment when sick, a waiting time rare in Australia or New Zealand.
Difficulty in getting care nights, weekends, or holidays was of significant concern in all five countries. Although problems were most widespread in the United States, majorities of adults in Australia and Canada also said that after-hours access was difficult. Even in New Zealand, where the rate of difficulty was lowest, one-third of adults viewed after-hours access as difficult.
Emergency room care. The emergency room (ER) serves as a sensitive indicator for how well care systems are responding to patients’ needs. ER use rates during the past two years were significantly higher in Canada and the United States than the other three countries (Exhibit 3). Canadian and U.S. adults were also more likely to have gone to the ER for care that their regular source could have provided if available. In these two countries, such ER visits accounted for about half of recent ER use. The survey also found use of the ER substituting for regular physician care in the other three countries, but to a lesser extent. Notably, adults in Canada and the United States were less likely than adults in the other countries to report rapid access to doctors when sick and more likely to say that after-hours access was difficult. In combination, these indicators signal widespread patient concerns about timely primary care access in both countries.
ER waits appear to be a particular concern in Canada, but waits were also often long in the United Kingdom and United States. Lack of effective ER response to pain emerged as a shared concern across countries.
Asked to consider times when they needed care or treatment, the majority of patients in all countries except the United States think that their doctors always make goals and plans clear, with Australia and New Zealand being the most positive; one in five U.K. and U.S. adults responded negatively to this item.
Thanks for the info, but what's the population density of NZ and AU vs US?
Look, I'll take waiting for medical treatment as opposed to none at all.
One thing that never gets brought up by the detractors is that national health care does not negate your ability to buy better, private care if you can and are so inclined. Which is also the way it's done must places that have it.
In any case, we have one of the most inefficient setups regarding healthcare now, where it's half-socialized and the practices eat the cost, half private. Either you have complete socialized healthcare or none at all (thus lowering the overhead significantly, although I think that time has long passed). You can't really go halfway.
Well the US obviously has a lot more people, but we spend over twice as much per capita on medical care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba
Indeed, I think Australia gives you a "voucher" of sorts that you can use to buy better health care if you dont want to use the governmental one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasteel
They have counterparts sucking the tit of their respective countries, too. Lazy people are worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba
Back on topic- My GF just found out that she needs surgery to remove a (10 lb! ) fatty tumor from her back. Guess who gets to take care of her while she recovers?
Your mom.
Her mom?
Lesbian moms sounds about right.
Your girlfriend has a third tit on her back, and you are letting her remove it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
Not much. Nearly everyone here in Canada supports it whether they're rich or poor because it works and it's the ethical way to run things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
The anti-government health care stuff I'm reading in this thread reads like propaganda to me. Yeah, taxes suck but they're necessary for some things in the modern world like national defense police and fire departments, schools, etc.. I don't see health care as different than these.
I'd be all for privatizing all of those too, with the possible exception of national defense.
I don't know of any people living in the projects driving BMWs that aren't at least 10 years old. I do know of many companies paying thier execs millions to drive around in Mercedes while thier workers can't afford things like healthcare, because it is slashed every year, or a nice house, because they can't get a mortgage, or to retire comfortably, because they never had the money to save and invest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba
Your scenario doesn't happen, or does so little that it's negligible. My scenario is the becoming the status quo. Republicans are so neurotic about money and making sure that they never hand any of it out to anyone else they've gone insane. Some people will take advantage of the system, but the wealthy do it too, and to a much greater extent. You make the point that people should work for thier money, so what do you think about golden parachutes? Why do execs that fail miserably at thier jobs get to live it up in retirement anyway? Why are thier salaries increasing at rates far beyond those below when thier jobs aren't getting any harder? It's an old boy's club that needs broken to improve everyone's lifestyle. The rich will always live better than the poor. It makes me wonder what they are so worried about.
Truth. I worked at Cendant for a few months last year as a temp job data processing monkey. They were moving the job overseas and restructuring the company. The stock price has been flat for years. Yet the CEO makes over $20M a year. He's doing a bad job. Yet he still gets a fat salary and undoubtedly a huge pension. It's sad that Republicans are more concerned about imaginary "welfare queens" than shit like that. It'd take more of them than can theoretically exist (especially now, after Clinton reformed welfare - yet the R's still hate the guy btw) to make up one CEO like that.
I <3 golden parachutes.
And if you don't see Lexus SUV's and Beemers in the projects, you aren't paying attention. I bet your neighbor has one.
I have not once said that. There is a huge jump between saying some jobs are not worth 30+ to saying "they're all lazy nosepickers who're getting paid for nothing."Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I think some younger liberals fail to understand that intellectual property does have a dollar value.
What are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba
And I'm not a liberal. The fact that "conservatism" nowadays is synonymous with shitting on 95% of the population and using government to pass along taxpayer money from one group of old rich white guys to another group of old rich white guys, while keeping out anybody who isn't in their club, disgusts me. Likewise, it's sad that, believing in national medicine qualifies you as a leftwing lunatic - I think all the prevailing evidence proves that national medicine is cheaper, more efficient, and yields better results. I think any open-minded, rational person would arrive at the same conclusion from looking at the facts. The best "conservatives" can throw out in the debate are smears and tired, easily refuted quips. I believe in social justice and equality in all its forms.
That personal shot it a little off topic :sweat: . I was not referring to you Diff, you are educated.
What I mean is that CEO's have intimate relations with the data and profit margins of companies. If they were free to leave and find another job they bring that data with them. Most companies would rather shell out large money now to save huge money later.
What does this do to new companies? Wouldn't it be hard to start up a new company in a world of must have health care and good salary? Some mom and pop start up may not have that extra cash at the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
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Originally Posted by buttcheeks
??????
Unless mom and pop are opening a $1 million dollar company that have S-Corp for that.
thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by Vasteel
The current medical system in the US is a sad mix of both.
Oh, and medicare is a joke. US care needs to be reformed badly.
I do find it strange when I find a couple of really nice cars with tricked out rims when I deliver pizza to some of the poorer neighborhoods in my area, they don't tip either. But while not the status quo of cars I see in the ghettoy areas, I do see it happening fairly often.
As for Welfare abuse paranoia, my parents are the king and queen of it. They think all democrats want to do is take the money that they work for and give it to the jobless ghetto queens popping out more kids to get that check. I've been hearing about it all of my life. Of course, I doubt it's nearly as bad as they fucking constantly spout about.
As for National health care, I think it's a good idea but I'm still not sure if it's a good idea for the US. I just think the country is too large for it to run efficiently and think that it will likely turn out poorly, I really just don't trust the federal government to handle it well because (regardless of what party is in charge) they tend to blunder shit. That and I don't think I could handle my parents fucking constantly bitching about it. Thena gain, I won't be living with them for too much longer. All in all, I'm still on the fence, if I could be convinced that the US government wouldn't royally fuck it up and reassured that chronic abuse by people could be prevented then my opinion could be swayed.
What? That's their job. CEOs aren't hired to look pretty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba
Do you even comprehend what I just said at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
That's the problem. I get it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
This is all pre medicare part D:Quote:
I'm still on the fence, if I could be convinced that the US government wouldn't royally fuck it up and reassured that chronic abuse by people could be prevented then my opinion could be swayed.
Medicare is run more efficiently and with less overhead than private insurers now. They dont have to spend the money to process people in and out of the plan (which takes a large chunk out of private company's hands). They have tons of people in their plan which gives them buying power (keeps costs down) and the ability to positively influence hospitals in matters like IT. The VA has a completely IT-driven system so things like drug conflicts pop up instantly, so money isnt wasted on prescribing a person a drug, and then havign to pay for their hospital visits later on.
It really is a bad stereotype, perpetuated by Republicans mainly, that government can't do anything right. Medicare is an efficient and well-run program and has been for decades. The VA, once it got a good director (not a crony) under Clinton, because a hospital system to be envied. As it is, 44% of medical bills are paid by the government.
Of course, Republicans took a huge shit on the system with Medicare Part D - but when you actively work to harm a system, and then claim the system doesn't work right, isn't that a bit disingenuous?
All I got from your post is that CEOs invest their time into making sure the company is running the way it should be. that's wht they're there to do.
I don't see how that is intellectual property, though. If they are working for a company anything they do stays with that company. Don't they have contracts prohibiting them from taking any information with them to another company, anyway?
You should have just said "no."
this sums up my feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
I like to read my own text.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
That's good, because nobody else does, in this topic at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
and on that note, back to Capcom Bowling for me.
I am not comfortable with this, I'm in the same boat as IronPlant.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
you are wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
http://www.worldandi.com/public/1999/March/problems.cfm
http://www.hschange.org/CONTENT/466/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/Daily_r...fm?DR_ID=34849
http://www.nihp.org/Issue%20Briefs/P...t%201%20PB.htm
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...p?newsid=36326
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...-benefit_x.htm
http://www.healthcareproblems.org/Bi...IBMedicare.htm
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-med18.html
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...p?newsid=39878
http://www.scienceblog.com/community...1/pub1024.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...w110450D77.DTL
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06015/638282-321.stm
Medicare is far from an efficient and well-run program. It pays doctors less for care. Their computers have a built in bug in them that kick out claims to keep from paying doctors. They do not pay clinics for the time that it takes to fill out all their bureaucratic bullshit. They dick their users on what they will and will not cover. To file medicare now, you need a 2 or 3 thousand dollar program that cost an absurd licencing fee to keep up to date. Its gotten so bad that many doctors refuse to take new medicare users because it isn't worth their time.
Who the hell have you talked to about this? Where are you getting your information? It defiantly wasn't anyone that is paid with it or uses it to pay for their care.
About the same amount of time it's gonna take her to sue you for sexual harassment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
I think he was talking about pre-Bush administration Medicare, not the current system which is unquestionably crappy.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
YOU DID NOT READ MY POST.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
Like I said I was talking about pre-Medicare Part D. Most of your links refer to Medicare Part D's crappiness (which I mentioned in my post) or other policies being taken by the current administration.
I read a book called "Money Driven Medicine" by Maggie Mahar. I mentioned it a number of times. It was released in May and, in my opinion, is an excellent overview to the problem with American medicine today. It is well-sourced and well-written. Of course I have read a lot more (including a lot on part D), but thats a summation of it all.
LOL, you spelled that so badly you actually spelled another completely different 4-syllable word correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by future bee champ
Oh, let me guess: Word spellchecker? ;p
pre-Medicare part D was pretty bad too. It just didn't fuck the patient as badly as they are being fucked now. Medicare has been fucking doctors pretty well for the past 15/20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Before that Medicare was pretty much a blank check. Doctors charge whatever and get whatever. What you call "fucking doctors" everyone else calls "controlling price". Now I understand your dad's bread and butter is medicine so I can see why you don't like that. But still - setting prices is good policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
But nowadays other agents, like drug companies, get the blank check. So its still jacked up, just not in the same way.
in the worlds of stewie (@ topic)
THANK YOU. I have one moronic friend who is just beraly 19, who says hes undeniably in love and will marry his 17 year old girlfriend. Issue is he met her and started dating her when his last girlfriend broke up with him, as a rebound, and was being destructive as to what he was doing (drinking and doing drugs), even to the point he let go of his morals and had sex with her the second week of their dating (he was very adament about keeping it till marrage).
They arent in love though, and its obvious. They are just two desperate people just wanting to be with someone because its the only way the find self worth, and its obvious with their daily arguments that range from absolutely nothing to absolutely absurd. You would think he would wise up since his parents are going through a divorce right now, but no, some peopl ejust need to learn that hard way, when its just too late.
Get back off topic, noob.Quote:
Originally Posted by RDM Brian
i hate your friend
My ex-girlfriend tried to sucker me into wanting to marry her.
She's gone now.
You cut off your right hand? You bastard!Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
Living in sin is the way to go IMO
When a woman wants to tie you down when you're 19, no good can come from it.
....Oh, I see what you did there. Hilarious.
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Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
Your mom's hilarious.
I always found her quite boring.
Switch that B with an H and then were talking.
Anywho, punch drunk, gotta go golf.
Biff is the king of zingers
Medicare has never wrote doctors a blank check. OK, it might have right when it started, but that shit got cut out a long long time ago if that is the case. They have been setting a price for at least the past 20 years. And I even called my mother, who runs the main office for my Dad's clinic to check that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Doctors are not thieves and bandits. At least for the most part. I'm sure there are some corrupt doctors, but for the most part they are upstanding people, or at least my Dad's generation of doctors are. You don't set up your own practice in a shit hole like Mississippi to get rich. You do it because you care about people.
As for people in medical school now, I don't know. I'd like to think med school is still hard enough to weed out people that really don't want to help people, but I don't know.
Taking that into account, I'd like to think doctors charge fairly (I'm not talking about hospitals though. Fuck hospitals and there $1000+ rooms).
What I mean by Doctors getting fucked by Pre-Medicare Part D is that they are essentially getting paid less to do more work. Someone has to fill all those forms out and someone has to get paid for doing so. I know, some would think "lol those silly greedy doctors" but my Dad owns his own practice, so it is a problem for him. Someone has to pay for that extra BS, and it is usely him.
Personally I think that is a bullshit way to fix things. It fucks over the one person who actually cares about the public and makes him take it up the butt for all the inflated cost caused by drug companies and the like.
Don't get me wrong, my dad isn't bitter over this shit. But he takes Medicare to be helpful to the community. If it was to become the norm he couldn't do business.
Wrong. They're just as culpable in the price-gouging of medicine because they get PAID to PERSCRIBE different drugs and more often. That's also the brandname drugs, by the way, not the cheaper generics from Canada (OMG socialized medicine means BAD PILLS!).Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
God, you'd argue with me about the smell of my own shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Doctors do not get paid to prescribe anything. That is against the law. They aren't even suppose to get premiums worth more than $5 from drug reps. Anyone doing what you are talking about is breaking the law and being dishonest.
My dad prescribes generics to people all the time to save them money. He sometimes even gives them a bag of FREE samples to save them even more money. Though I will admit that the drug companies very subtly punish him for doing so by coming by less and less to give him free samples.
You are either repeating liberal garbage or need to get a new doctor for your family if you are having that kind of problem.
I don't know much about issues with healthcare, but I do know a lot of money is wasted by the lack of communication between healthcare companies. Shotgun billing and confusion between primary and secondary plan sponsers ends up costing billions of dollars of the governments money, least a national healthcare plan would create a standard of sorts between healthcare. At least I think it would, but I am pretty ignorant on the subject outside of knowing that they don't communicate too well.
On topic, I've been with my girlfriend for 1 year, 5 months now. She's a wonderful woman, second girlfriend of my life, doesn't drive me insane, good head on her shoulders, appreciative, etc etc. Never have either of us ever had the notion of getting married anytime soon. We both want to go to college, get our lives straightened out, and if we're still together maybe one day get married. I don't see what's so hard about waiting to get your life on track, I can love someone without needing a legal statement to show people.
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
I don't think you will find anyone here that will argue against that.
Everything in the US in regards to medicine needs to be cleaned up. It has gotten very retarded because it is the one business that we can't afford to let the market kill for being stupid and greedy.
Don't forget the garbage about liberals having some kind of monopoly on being non-racist or sexist. I can't stand that crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Public healthcare > Private Healthcare, because at least the government has some accountability. The private sector has no accountability to anybody, as evidenced by CEO salaries, and the axing of pensions.
She's too open about dating her boss for any case to hold water.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Your company doesn't owe it to you to make sure you take responsibility for your own retirement. Neither does the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy Hits
...that is just so terribly wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy Hits
the government is not accountable at all. Have you ever heard of anyone sueing a government body and winning anything? Sure you vote for someone else comes next time, but that doesn't get the watch out of you some damn ass surgeon left in.
Fuck man, I don’t know how with what’s going on in the world you can say that. When was the last time anyone held the government accountable for shit? Bush is the president last time I checked.
Hell, one of the reasons private medicine cost so damn much is because of being held accountable. Every time they get sued over something they tack those litigation fees onto their current production cost.
Uh, yeah. That's why we have Miranda Rights, the Freedom of Information Act, etc. Again, IP talks out his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
More bullshit propaganda, usedly largely by big pharma and hospitals to have their Republican lackeys vote for TORT reform.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
Wrong. Pensions and Social Security aren't handouts they're DEFERRED WAGES. That means it's your money, you just can't have until a set period of time, and nowadays it's looking less and less likely you'll get it then. So, in the end, it IS the responsibility of the government and the employer to make sure that income earned is distributed back to the one who provided the labor. Otherwise that's outright theft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
Hamdan vs. Rumsfeld imo.
Hamdan won.
Seriously, the list goes on and on.
shut up gozen. You don't know what your talking about. Our government does shit all the time that they should be held accountable for, and yet isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
if you don't think modern business factors lawsuits into the final price for something, you're stupid. They sure the hell aren't going to give up this years vacation to pay for a settlement.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
btw, usedly isn’t a word.
and no one is voting for TORT reform, despite the fact that we need it.
I agree that people should wait until they're older and more experienced to marry.
P.S. Public health care is good. They give you good medicine up here, a lot of it is brand name. And it's not like they don't offer the brand name stuff that isn't covered under medicare, they just don't pay for all of it. If you want the top of the line stuff that's most likely not any better than the government endorsed stuff you can pay for it yourself. Atleast you're getting something to help you out either way.
Quote:
Originally Posted by stormy
Your mom's a zinger, she ain't rich and chocolatey enough to be a ho-ho.
And here we have the only valid point you made in that entire post. Congrats. You've improved exponentially.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
You get way to much enjoyment from this.
no you do
NO YOU DO!
no you do.
sorry.
I've been married for 8 months today, and I'm 24.
I'm also not stupid. Sometimes people just find someone they want to be with.
Also, my wife is hot.
lol. Give it time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detour
Shut up, IronPlant. You said that the government never gets called on its shit and in less than ten minutes you were corrected by the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It's the same way when you spouted your stupidty over union. There's probably a million other examples but you're not worth digging up the forums (you don't even rate Jemery level attention).Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
It's better than surfing youtube for another hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
Hope you signed a prenup. Otherwise, prepare for pain if the marriage dissolves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detour
I expected Yoshi to chime in with this response before I even finished Detour's post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi