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Originally Posted by g0zen

And a vast improvement over Reagan who armed and trained Islamic fundamentalists on the taxpayer's dime.

The right likes to try and put everything in Clinton's lap, but intelligence experts almost unanimously agree that the failure to see al-Queda and the rise of anti-Western Islamism spans several administrations (all but one of which are Republican, I might add). For more information see the 9/11 Commission Report.

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The left likes to equate Reagan supporting Afghanistan against the Soviet Union with Reagan building Al Qaeda. It's like saying Wilson built the Nazis after World War I; at the time communism was our biggest threat and Al Qaeda did not exist. You can talk about the rise of jihadism as an ideology all you like (anti-Western Islamic Jihadism can be traced back a thousand years) but the bottom line is that an escalating series of jihadist attacks against America occured on Clinton's watch, not Bush Sr's or Reagan's, and Clinton ignored it (which even Dick Morris readily admits). Clinton was offered Bin Laden on a plate and set him free because he refused to recognize intergovernmental organizations as sovereign entities; he was a complete failure as a modern president in the most important respect.

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Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba

I read your post Melf, unless my education is failing me, you are saying the US failed in Iraq. I feel safer now, do you?

Draw them to fight there, and we are safe. We would have smashed them if Billary would not have tried to appease the world (yuck, France) by decreasing our standing military,

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[Sigh] You obviously haven't read anything I've posted, so there's nothing that can be done about that. I said we shouldn't be in Iraq in the first place, not that we've failed there. Now that we're stuck with this quagmire, we have no choice but to win, but I still don't see that day coming any time soon.

Again, Clinton did not cut the military. Cheney, Rumsfield, and others have gone on record saying that they owe the successes we've had in Afghanistan and Iraq to the military they inherited. Heck, I just linked to Cheney's speech and quoted his words. If that doesn't get through, then nothing I say will. But just to appease you and Spodaddy, who thinks that all links are controlled by the left wing press, here's that same Cheney speech as posted on the White House website. Unless Comedy Central has control of the WH site, I'd say it's legit. ;)

I also like how conservatives adopt a "well, we have to win NOW" attitude with the shithole we've created in Iraq, but conveniently forget that the man that "Clinton let get away" has been running around free for almost five years. Are they going to blame Bush when 2009 comes around and Bin Laden is still free? I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba

We are winning by the way. Don't believe the liberal hype.

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Just believe the fact that there are now currently 5 wars occuring in Iraq and the government we installed there has already vocally supported Hezbollah, joining Iran and Syria, and strongly condemning Israel. Oh yeah, we're just doing gangbusters over there.

I'm sure once the Islamic Revolutionary Republic of Iraq is up and running the mullah al-Sadr will send us a 'thank you' card and a box of dates.

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Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba

Taxes kill the middle class, you can't fight this with your fancy verbage.

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It sickens me that all you can do is spew out a mantra without knowing any of the economics behind it.

For people who talk about how Clinton shitted on the military: what about Bush? Ever hear of stop-loss? How they lowered entry standards? How there are skinheads in Iraq right now? How recruiters have resorted to thug tactics and ignoring criminal pasts? How the administration undermines and ignores the advice of respected generals? How there is Aryan Nation graffiti in Baghdad right now? How the government is currently funnelling billions of defense money into Halliburton, Bechtel, KBR, Blackwater, etc. with no accountability?

Sigh

You teach?

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/weinberg.htm

http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2000/1000edit.asp

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Mis...e/BG1394es.cfm

blah blah blah blah

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Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba

First blood, I see you lurking, don't bother.

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lawl

*briefly reads points made but immediately disregards them due to complete doucheyness*

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Just believe the fact that there are now currently 5 wars occuring in Iraq and the government we installed there has already vocally supported Hezbollah, joining Iran and Syria, and strongly condemning Israel. Oh yeah, we're just doing gangbusters over there.

I'm sure once the Islamic Revolutionary Republic of Iraq is up and running the mullah al-Sadr will send us a 'thank you' card and a box of dates.



It sickens me that all you can do is spew out a mantra without knowing any of the economics behind it.

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Sigh, you believe way too much of the bullshit Gozen.

We are allies with Isreal, and they are at war with Lebanon, who we also side with, so the world is fucked up, what's new.

One man in Iraq does not speak for the nation.

Of course Iraq will be out of control for a while, if Russia kicked our ass, would you just stand by and kiss Stalin's picture?

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Originally Posted by Melf

Again, read the link. That's not Jon Stewart talking, that's Dick Cheney.

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Right, the boilerplate political statement was obviously the Dick Cheney part.

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Originally Posted by Melf

like completely forgetting to capture the guy responsible for 9/11, invading a country that had zero to do with it, and leaking the identities of CIA agents!

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That's the silly Jon Stewart gimmick part.

I get my link discredited, but then you use the Heritage Foundation. LOL.

So then, I guess you're saying that Dick Cheney is a flat-out liar? Which is it then?

Spo: Have we caught Bin Laden? No. Didn't Bush himself say that he "wasn't a priority?" Didn't Bob Novak reveal that Rove and Libby leaked Plume's name? Stewart has nothing to do with it.