NSA's warrantless wiretap program is history

What the fuck. I am not paying these people to do shit like this. We can't even organize a fucking uprising because, guess what, they'll have heard about it by illegally wiretapping us!

That's so dumb, that the President did the bad thing, then they're going to pass a law saying it was okay for him to do it? Let's go rob a bank and then pass a law saying it was okay to do it, too! Christ! Fucking fascist morons posing as republicans. Where did the rational people go?

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

Just read about how Specter wants the vote to be done in a fashion that leaves no record of who votes for or against.

So we cannot hold our leaders accountable for voting on a bill that blatantly violates the Constitution by letting the executive branch spy on us without a warrant and with no required judicial oversight.

This is not America, and this is not democracy.

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Swell...so they can spy on us, but we can't be privy to their actions.

WTF is happening to this country. I am seriously feeling sick.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

I see this getting challenged in the courts. If there is any justice in the world it'll be deemed unconstitutional all the way up the chain.

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It sure as fuck better be.

Then we'll get to see Bush on TV crying about it again like the wanna-be nazi bitch he is.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Impeachment would be an excellent way to waste Congress' time on something that will never lead to anything other than hot air anyway.

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Shut the fuck up.

Bush fucked up, plain and simple. I'll rather see him get nailed by congress then see them having debates about steroids in baseball.

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Even if Iraq had gone exactly according to plan, and the entire Middle East was rainbows and gumdrops right now, with Israelis and Palestinians doing jigs in Jerusalem I still say this is enough. It really closed the book on his Presidency IMO.

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I doubt it. I'm pretty sure the only downfall he will be remmebered for is Iraq.

Most of the american people don't care about this anyway.

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Originally Posted by Calliander

That's so dumb, that the President did the bad thing, then they're going to pass a law saying it was okay for him to do it?

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Bush is literally out of touch with reality. First he breaks the law with a bill he knows he shouldn't have approved to begin with, then he gives us this bull-shit to make up for it. Maybe if we're lucky, he'll be thrown out before his term is finished.

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I see this getting challenged in the courts. If there is any justice in the world it'll be deemed unconstitutional all the way up the chain.

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Plenty of terrible and obviously unconstitutional shit has been passed easily and not challenged very well. I sure as hell hope this would have a better chance.

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Originally Posted by avatar

Shut the fuck up.

Bush fucked up, plain and simple. I'll rather see him get nailed by congress then see them having debates about steroids in baseball.

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You do know he's right, don't you? Impeachment is something that takes a lot of time and a lot of resources. It ain't happening. We're stuck with him until 2008.

When the shit flies, things pick up pretty damn quick. If things keep going the way they are now, I'm gonna have to get the wine bottle I've been keeping at my sis's place a little early to celebrate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/americas/5347564.stm

Seems like the boat's working on righting itself.

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Plenty of terrible and obviously unconstitutional shit has been passed easily and not challenged very well. I sure as hell hope this would have a better chance.

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Well, the program has already been deemed unconstitutional by a federal judge, so there's precedent. Really, this Senate bill is a waste since the decision will ultimately rest on whether or not the Supreme Court rules that the program itself is constitutional, which even with a stacked deck of Bush apointees I don't think will happen. The legal argument behind it is just so weak that any real jurist has to strike it down.

voltz is right about impeachment. It took a full year for the Watergate scandal to build up steam and do in Nixon AFAIK. When the NSA scandal broke the Administration said it proved they were tough on terror and people will love them for it. Their bootlickers in the media said it would help Bush unequivocally.

Now, 10 months later, a bill written by Cheney and Rove (I mean, Specter) is meeting opposition in the court of American opinion. Bush is resorting to strawmen arguments about him fighting people who want to kill Matt Lauer's family. Judges aren't buying the JD's bullshit state secrets arguments. Bush's poll numbers have been limp since the beginning of the year, despite catching Zawahiri (edit: I meant Zarqawi). He was forced to take people out of legal limbo in the CIA's prisons.

The tide is turning.