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What an asshole. I was actually hoping for him to get stabbed at the end of the video. The fact that he has the time to pull bullshit like this on people who didn't do anything to him speaks volumes about his character. I hope his mother has cancer.
I believe its all an act.
I don't. How/why would you fake something like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Klonoa
I want to do a version of that show where I hire a bunch of Mexicans to beat the shit out of that guy.
I'd watch.
What if he had pulled a similar stunt with drug dealers? (Besides the fact that he would have been shot full of holes?) If those guys weren't breaking the law, they'd have no need to run, would they?
And don't accuse me of equating illegal immigrants with drug dealers. I'd be interested in your answer to the question as asked.
And, yeah, this is probably fake. Is he the same guy that tried to get his Klan uniform dry cleaned in Compton?
Drug dealers poison communities where they work. Immigrants are looking to work to get by. How can you possibly compare the two?
I'm comparing them because they are both breaking the law for personal or familial gain. Again, I am not equating them.
If it helps, let's change "drug dealers" to "college kids who each have a bag of weed in their pockets."
Give me a fucking break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
But the severity of their actions are both different. Keeping on drug dealers, what they do brings down society. They're selling harmful products to people and those people are getting hooked on it and dying.
Illegal immigrants are here because they want a better life for their families. I'm on the fence on the entire immigration debate but this is just bullshit. Until the government decides what to do with illegal immigrants on the whole these cowboys shouldn't be out there terrorizing those who are trying to get a job. It's clear that he's just fucking with these guys for the sake of a sick laugh. We all know that drug dealers do nothing for the community. They're doing what they do because they see it as fast cash no matter how many lives they take by selling people poison.
I just think this is wrong and unjustifiable.
See there's a thought-out answer that's not a knee-jerk reaction or "give me a break" vague.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
The guy in the video is being a dick, but I think if he did the same thing to a group of stoners, we'd have a lot more people laughing and a lot less people being righteously indignant.
I don't know about the immigration problem. Life can be horrific in Mexico, but is sneaking into the neighbor's house the only viable solution? We don't condone inner-city kids breaking into any of our houses. And we wouldn't condone a rich home owner paying the same inner-city kid some bullshit amount of money to do backbreaking labor.
I am no expert on Mexican politics, but I do read about it here and there. If that country is in need of a revolution, the last thing they need is this kind of system of humiliation and exploitation that puts pennies into people's pockets when what they truly need is a wage they can live on and a government that respects their dignity.
Quality of life in Mexico ain't going nowhere if the current situation continues.
Personally, I like Mexicans.
Well, most Mexicans. That Carlos Mencia is a douche.
I like Jessica Alba
I don't think that analogy works here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
The largest part of the indignation comes from the fact that this guy's getting off on the racial angle of this, not the law breaking. If he were trying to put this on tv, he'd likely be subject to hate-speech prosecution himself; complaints certainly. He doesn't have a moral high ground here.
Unless you think the Mexican guys were complicit in mocking their own people, how can this be fake, though?Quote:
And, yeah, this is probably fake. Is he the same guy that tried to get his Klan uniform dry cleaned in Compton?
Those were Guatemalans.
Seriously, Internet videos are guilty until proven innocent. I'm pretty sure he's the Klan guy, and I recall that video as seeming staged.
Nick is absolutely right. I'll take it to that next level though. There are a lot of similarities between drug dealers and illegals, and I don't just mean the guys who fit both descriptions. They both suck tax money away from things that really matter. As Nick said, they obvious both break the law. They are both completely selfish assholes who put themselves and their family above everyone else with no regard for the impact that may have. If the penalties for both were severely heightened, it would cut back on both forms of vermin.
edit: Please note that illegals are illegals to me. I don't care if they are Mexican or Isreali.
I dunno. I thought it was stupid at first but driving a truckload of illegal immigrants to Immigration is kinda funny.
It's the American way. Do you feel the same way about alcohol and tobacco companies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
And getting pissed because Nick compared illegals to drug dealers and then calling drugs poison is hilarious btw
Saw this awhile back and laughed, but fully acknowledged this dude is a douche (real or not).
I want to help humans, people in general, no matter where they come from but it seems to me unrealistic. Problems in Mexico have made problems here, so some degree. I guess I agree with Nick, putting paltry change in people pockets for heavy labor just because they can't get any better where they come from isn't cool one way or another. Change needs to come in Mexico. I'm pretty sure its not our place to govern Mexico. I don't know enough about it but I can't see why becoming a legal working immigrant, protected by American law, is so hard. I have no problem with ever y single Mexican coming here to live and work if they live and work within the law.
Thats bound to be twisted around and such but like I said, I don't know enough about it.
How is it hilarious? Do you grind illegals into powder and snort them for their hallucinagenic properties? Or do you see illegals being sold on school playgrounds? I honestly don't know where you're going with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
QFT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
Drugs aren't poison any more than illegal immigrants are drug dealers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
American companies don't make a habit of employing drug dealers, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
People need to stop blaming the workers for the problem. They wouldn't come if the market wasn't accomodating them. If you have a bunch of food just laying out in the open and you start getting bugs, is it the bugs' fault?
Americans do buy the drugs though, so it's still not any different. There's no doubt that Americans play a part in both forms of scum being successful here, but that doesn't change that they aren't that different.
I like your bug analogy. We should have illegal and drug dealer traps that are lethal. Problem solved.
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Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
Drugs ARE poisonous. That's how people die when they use too much of it. Use the right amount, though, and it's bliss. Illegal immigrants being drug dealers isn't so much the concern of this thread as is them actually being in this country. I personally don't know many illegals that sell drugs up here. I do know many blacks and whites, legal citizens of this country, who are. Please show me some statistics about illegals selling drugs up here.
(I just think you're pulling this example out of television but you're more than welcome to actually prove it to me.)
Equating drug dealers with illegal immigrants is a shameless emotional play.
I think drugs should be legal but even if you dont you cant deny that you benefit from illegal immigrants. GDP growth would be 1%-2% lower without them. Prices would be higher. Etc. They dont "drain" nearly as many taxes as people claim they do, considering they wouldnt be paying most income taxes because their income is so low (sup EITC) and they do pay sales tax and other forms of state and local tax - and its the states and locals that provide the services they consume.
Americans dont "play a part in them being successful", Americans are the sole reason they are here. We want cheap goods, suppliers need to cut costs, they can get cheap labor. End of story. Without people begging to hire them illegal immigrants would not be here.
The only problem I have with your point of view is that you're viewing illegal immigrants just as law breakers. You're not sympathetic to their reasons for coming over to this country. I understand that drug dealers may also have their own financial problems but what they do harms many others while illegal immigrants try to find work to support themselves and harm no one. (Okay, I cannot prove they harm no one but I'm pretty sure if they're just working to support their families committing crimes isn't on top of their priority list.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Illegal immigrants are a problem, I know, because they're occupying this country illegally and draining our tax dollars. (Something I think more poor whites abuse than anyone else.) Having a complex immigration process doesn't make it any easier. Then after all the time and money invested they can still be turned away. Until the system is revamped you know this isn't going to stop no matter how high you build that wall.
There is a right way to immigrant to America, just like there is a right way to be a businessman. The differences here are solely in magnitude of their negative impact. The motives and legality are identical.
If you drink too much water you'll die. So by your definition water is a poison?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
Edit: Goddamit I'm not saying illegals are all drug dealers. I'm saying if you don't like comparing illegals to drug dealers then you shouldn't compare drugs to poision.
Are you saying drug dealers are businessmen? I don't agree with the motives being the same. One wants to make money and the other wants to escape a hard life in one country and start fresh in another which then leads to making money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
As far as emigrating into America, yes there is a right way but you know it's full of holes. I can understand there being a cap every year but to flatout turn people down is bullshit. Unless they were criminals in their countries I don't see why everyone can't be given a shot to come to America.
Joke account?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
If your definition of poision is anything that will kill you in large quantities then fucking everything is a poison. I can't tell if you're being intentionally thick here or if you really are that stupid.
If you're a recreational drug user (I know we have a few on TNL) then drugs won't kill you in moderation, at least not immediately. Water is a neccesity to live. Drinking large quantities of water will not kill you since you expel it once you're full and you can go on drinking more, unless you're talking about drowning in water but you didn't state that.
If you're going to be serious fine, but don't come up with bullshit comparisons.
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/5/f/blwaterintox.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
ur dum
Confirmed, water poisoning happens often in hotter environments.
Also, this immigrant/drug dealer thing reminds me of an SAT question
If all drug deals are assholes, and some immigrants are drug dealers, that means
A) All immigrants are asshole drug dealers
B) No immigrants are asshole drug dealers
C) Half of the illegal immigrants are drug dealers
D) Answer not given
I've never heard of water poisoning ever, but yeah your point is made. Still, you know drugs are a bane to society but you try taking the needle out of the user's arm.
I was thinking:
Drug dealers are to illegal immigrants as drugs are to
A) Poison
B) Fun
C) F-Chans
D) Poop
Grouping all drugs together as one big bane to society is also silly. Marijuana is not exactly killing people left and right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
Prohibition doesn't work. Making something illegal is the worst thing you can do to lower the use of something you consider distasteful (that other people don't). It just creates a strong price incentive for people to break the law. Essentially, restrictive immigration policies just put a cap on something desirable, too - cheap labor. This is all simple economics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
Yea, the "moral high ground" is important, but wrt to drugs, the government has none whatsoever.
If you make drugs legal then corporations become drug dealers and Yoshi goes from wanting them killed to holding them up as shining ideals of capitalism.
I agree partially with Nick and Yoshi on this. Most people are not pissed at the immigrants, but actually on the way its being handled(both sides). There is no right answer, due to we have been doing this sort of thing for over ... what? Two decades or more? We can't just deport them, because thats just as wrong as letting this continue. I think Nick hit it on the head. We need to get the Mexican gov't to increase their wages, etc.
http://creativityday.ca/images/logos/pfizer-sponser.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
Charging as much as many companies charge for perscription medicine while at the same time blocking out imported drugs should be a crime against humanity.
I literally lol'd. Well played.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
QFT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klonoa
It should be painfully obvious to anyone with a brain that this is fake. Why the fuck do you think the camera angles keep changing?
p.s. Thats not a rip on you Klonoa. I'm just surprised how quickly and easily worked up our "veteran" TNLer's get when faced with this kind of Youtube garbage.
I wonder how many illegal Canadians live in the USA
I'll bet the number is under 20,000, they really don't have as hard a time getting in nor do most show a desire to come here anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonas
Some of the persons featured in these works, including the 'victims' are paid actors, who were fully aware of the content of the works prior to participation. Some of the 'victims' agreed to be included in his videos after they were taped, "Shaffir filmed many of his offensive encounters for a new DVD, National Lampoon's Lost Reality, and is amazed how many victims of his racial slurs willingly signed release forms."[1]
I win.
Its not so much that you won. Its more like most of TNL lost.
I thought I would share the following since I can't word it better:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
"[Real Americans],however uninformed they may be about the culture they seek to "defend" from others, will insist they are only asking for adherence to the rule of law: one institution that they insist must be respected above all others. It's not that they dislike Mexicans. Goodness no! It's just that so many of them are coming illegally, and we are a law-abiding people who believe in playing by the rules...
There is, as the saying has long held, honor among thieves, be they bank robbers, one supposes, or those who steal whole continents. Like the descendants of those who confiscated North America, and who now, without any sense of misgiving or just plain old fashioned embarrassment, think nothing of saying how their ancestors came here legally, and that this is what makes them different, and one assumes, better, than those who come now from Mexico without adequate papers.
Of course, those who insist their ancestors came to America legally ignore a crucial point: namely, if one was of European descent, there were no real limitations on immigrating to the U.S. blocking your way. In other words, all white folks could come legally, and, in keeping with the terms of the Naturalization Act of 1790, become citizens within one year of entry, making the need for illegal subterfuge remote. To say that one's great-great whatever followed the law, when in truth there was no law to follow (or to break) is more than a bit disingenuous.
To be honest, the entire argument about the illegality of many migrants coming across the border is equally absurd. After all, forty percent of those in the country illegally didn't come that way, but rather, entered in full accordance with the nation's laws, and simply overstayed work or educational visas. The Minutemen and others in the anti-immigration movement who claim their only concern is for those breaking the law, pay almost no attention to this group, for reasons that can only be ones of convenience (in other words, the border is a more visible target for garnering publicity), or racism, since large numbers of visa violators are European or Canadian, and frankly, aren't seen as a threat to the so-called "American way of life," the way brown skinned, non-English speaking folks are...
If it were only illegality that bothered the anti crowd, they could just advocate for a streamlining of the process by which one can become a U.S. citizen in the first place. That, after all, would most certainly reduce the flow of "illegals" entering the country, by definition. But they will never advocate for such a thing, as they don't want Mexicans and others from the global south entering the U.S., whether by the letter of the law or not...
The law isn't the point, and everyone knows it. After all, just because something is illegal, doesn't mean it should be. Likewise, just because something is given cover of law, doesn't automatically indicate its legitimacy. Laws reflect the wishes of any society's ruling elite, at a given time, since they are the ones who make them. To that extent, laws are neither just nor unjust, in and of themselves. The law has, over time, enshrined slavery, theft of indigenous land, segregation, male-only voting and property owning, internment of Japanese Americans, and--since we're on the subject--immigration restrictions based on race and nationality, predicated on the biases of the dominant group. That certain among those migrating to the United States break the law in order to do so is a matter of irrelevance, morally speaking, unless one starts with the absurd proposition that laws are by definition legitimate, simply because they exist."
TLDR
If Mexico wants to try to take the US like we did, bring it on.
Yee-haw!
I can see CNN now...
Battle on the Border 2006.
This would last 6 minutes.
That is the crux of it all, right here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaneda
And:
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That certain among those migrating to the United States break the law in order to do so is a matter of irrelevance, morally speaking, unless one starts with the absurd proposition that laws are by definition legitimate, simply because they exist."
That's a bullshit argument. A lot has changed since 1790. However, I'll trade free immigration for taking away the right to vote from women and people who don't own land. I also want a slave or two. One of the now legal Mexicans will do fine.
The point is that you are arguing that they "must" be dealt with because they are breaking the law... the point of that article is that just because it's a law doesn't mean anything ultimately.
This isn't the equivalent of one of those "no sex before marriage" laws that are antiquated. If anything, this law has more meaning today than it did when it hit the books because of national security concerns. I'm going to turn that stupid article's logic against it. If we let Mexicans do it, we have to let Al Qaeda do it too.
Fear mongering FTL. Mexicans aren't trying to blow shit up. They are working for employers who take the risk to let them in. Your stupid brain cannot fathom that but were it not for Americans who want Mexicans to come here and work they would not come! I dont think you realize this but most illegals have a job before they cross the border, employers pay smugglers to get them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
This isn't about Mexicans, as the article plainly pointed out. That dumb fuck wants everyone treated equally. If we give a free pass to Mexicans, the same applies to Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc.
I have never contested that Americans don't facilitate and encourage the Mexicans' behavior.
Mexicans have brought over tasty meals, they are okay in my book. As long as they learn english and attain a high school degree.
I <3 Mexican food
Well, my family came over from Greece, learned the customs of this country, learned English, got involved in American politics, had kids go to Harvard and other prestigious schools, and still remained Greek.Quote:
Originally Posted by LogicalSolution
In Chicago, I see people walking around literally draped in the Mexican flag with giant flags adorning the hoods of their cars. Other people sit in speeding cars and fly flags they hold on poles through their car windows. There is a Spanish-language paper called "La Raza" ("The Race"), as if Latinos had their own race and as if one race should have its own newspaper that trumpets its allegiance like that. There are separate programs for Latinos in schools and hospitals (I saw the "Hispanomobile" medical truck outside one hospital that is nowhere near a Hispanic neighborhood). Not to mention all the billboards in all kinds of neighborhoods that are now in Spanish only.
A tiny percentage of people seem to think we already are at war. Something's screwy, anyway. What that is saying to me is we should address these issues openly, since there is jingoism and inflexibility and warlike actions on both sides. And the Mexican workers are getting assraped by companies over here and their own government across the border.
Mexicans become assimilated into this society as quickly as any other ethnic group in history. A lot of the first-gen parents dont know English that well but have you ever talked to some first-gen Asians? Same exact thing and nobody is demanding they "learn English or get out". Likewise... the children of Mexicans are in all intents and purposes fully functioning Americans. I know a LOT of times Id be working at EB and the kid would be translating what I was saying for his/her parent(s). This is not an issue.Quote:
Well, my family came over from Greece, learned the customs of this country, learned English, got involved in American politics, had kids go to Harvard and other prestigious schools, and still remained Greek.
edit: and oh, that other stuff you are saying? Sounds to me like Chinatown... or Little Italy... you know, those little cultural enclaves in big cities that we now cherish but were really for the purposes of foreigners in a strange land full of people hostile to them. Fact is, every ethnic group was harassed in this country and the people already here called all of them dangerous outsiders. Your statements are not enlightening or illuminating, it's just history repeating itself.
I don't disagree, there are two point to this discussion that haven't been broached.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
1) The government has a black fund, the majority of these funds come from illegal immigrants in the form of social security that does not get paid to them because of no ID, or fake ID, or false social security number. They won't put this in the paper, but trust me, California lives off that return
2) The problem is the majority of Mexicans that come across the border don't bring a family, they work here and send money to Mexico, which does nothing for are already sagging economy.
I believe if they want to be here, fine. However you will pay your taxes and we should cap the amount of hours that a Mexican can work to ensure their safety. Some of their employers are assholes. Some of these guys have 3 jobs at a time and work in excess of 90 hours a week with no overtime, you tell how that's fair to them, and to other people who may be looking to fill those jobs that would expect overtime pay.
Yea, the biggest problem I have with the whole situation is that we happily exploit these people for our own benefit but not provide protection of the rule of law or a good means to become a citizen. Dont give me that "they can go through a legal channel", the legal channel is bullshit and 101% ineffective, we've know INS or whatever it's called nowadays is a joke for at least a decade. We need them and they need us, so lets stop pretending they are the only ones benefitting and act like grown-ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by LogicalSolution
And don't forget that people getting paid off-the-record that do intend on staying here are not building credit and will be entitled to far less disability pay - if they even get a dime - if they should have a work-ending injury or illness. I'm telling you, it's so bizarre that we are exploiting the holy hell out of a group of people and they are flying their flags and shouting their rhetoric in our streets, but everything is supposedly okay. It's just strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by LogicalSolution
These are more than isolated enclaves in large cities. This is an economic issue that needs to be addressed. If I need to collect Social Security disability, I will get, let's say a grand a month for as long as I need it. Yet someone that's worked forty years at a heavy job may not get anything at all from Social Security, even if he snaps his back in half on the job.
Yes, and the sad part is that the immigrants accept this as a way of life.
I would like to know the average lifespan of a male Mexican immigrant, I'll bet it's somewhere in the low 50's range.
I have read through this entire thread without so much as watching the video and can tell you clearly that Yoshi is the clear winner of this thread.
The fact that so many of you are actually trying to use logic and valid arguments in a debate with Yoshi means that you have no idea or forgotten who you're dealing with.
TNL - 0
Yoshi - 1
As big as an asshole Yoshi can be, he actually brings something to the table worth discussing. What do you bring?
I'm sure the score is considerably greater than 0 and 1.
1/10
That's less actually
1/10 is .10
How sympathetic would you be to the guy breaking into your house, stealing your shit, getting injured, having tax dollars pay for him because he's got no health insurance while watching your property tax dollars go up because his (now legal) kids are in your school?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
I don't care who encourages what, the drug dealers encouraging use or business owners luring cheap labor. Both are fucking illegal and garner no sympathy from me.
You are like, the last person on TNL I would ever want to go out and have a beer with (assuming you drink beer).Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
Confimed
Actually, I was rating his post, but yeah the context was a bad way to follow up.
I drink lemonade thank you very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Nothing and that's completely intentional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
Illegal immigrants don't really contribute nothing. Whenever they work a job in the US and hand over a SS card, fake or not, that money goes to the SSA and helps pay off those who are currently recieving social security. In the last twenty years illegal immigrants have raised $300 billion that helps pay out other people's social security while they get shit in return. We're benefitting as much as they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
It's why we love you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
:tu:Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
You're making the assumption that every employer asks for and contributes to the SSA which is patently false. There are innumerable illegals here in long island that work completely and only for cash that is never seen by anyone other than whatever goods they purchase. You're not really this naive, are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
No, I'm not. I was digging and you flushed me out. Owned.
EDIT: Okay to be serious. I know there are many that work under the table or on one-shot deals for cash but that doesn't make them all like that. Some do contribute and it's right to acknowledge that.
They pay sales tax and other local and state regressive taxes. Considering most of the services they alledgely (sic) "steal" from American citizens come from the coffers of state and local governments I'd that whole issue is much ado about nothing.
This is just idiocy. So, they pay no federal taxes, no ss taxes, their "legal illegal" kids go to our schools, they pay no health insurance despite using the system that can't deny healthcare to those that don't have it, and this is all okay because they pay sales tax (like everyone else)? Furthermore, how many 2 and 3 bedroom homes are overstuffed (illegally) with 10-20 people that would otherwise have to rent elsewhere? It's happening all over the place here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
I can't even begin to explain how immeasurably the "trade" industries have changed (construction, electrician, landscape design, etc...) due to illegals leaching jobs from those that wanted to pursue that career. The system is so broken that those industries *have* to use illegals because, if they don't, they won't be able to compete with everyone else that does.
lol THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS HAVE FORCED THE POOR INNOCENT CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES TO USE THEM
Edit: Find me one able bodied American citizen who couldn't go out and get a construction or landscaping job tommorrow.
Hint: you can't.
Electricians are different, but practically anyone can have that job too after they go to trade school.
Leeching jobs, or providing what people want? If you get 3 estimates for a deck, and one of them is 30% cheaper (because they use illegals), are you gonna go with the more expensive one because of your morals? If you do, then you're different from about 999 out of 1000.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
And they wouldn't be paying federal anyway. Say hi to the EITC.
That's all fine and good except the economies of scale dictate that such a system will eventually collapse (see: Germany, Turkish immigrants, 35 hour work weeks and 10.6% unemployment). Cheaper never equals better in the long run (ie.. manufacturing, high tech, etc... being done in China) and this country is slowly going to feel it in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
re: EITC - depends entirely upon how much they earn. They still aren't paying for SS, property, health insurance, schools, etc..
Dude, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I can name 10 people off of the top of my head that have union jobs in NYC and are typically laid off for 4-6 months out of the year directly because of illegals in the trade and the unfair competition that it purports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
I can name many, many small business owners (construction, plumbing, landscaping, etc...) that simply cannot compete without illegal labor. Even laborers (U.S. citizens) are having a tough time finding jobs that compete with an illegal that's will to work more hours for less money because they have to report to no one, don't get workers compensation policies, and don't have insurance. Forgetting the cheap labor, if you're a U.S. citizen in the trade you HAVE to have a workers comp. policy to even be in construction (at least in NY) if you're on the books.
Tell them to move. There are tons of construction and landscaping jobs available around here.
Yeah, their wife and kids will appreciate that sound advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
Sometimes you gotta go where the jobs are. I'm sure thier wives and kids will get over it.
Yeah, until the illegals are there, too in the same numbers and he's exactly where he started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
LOL so they should uproot thier lives because of a company that is breaking the law by hiring illegal workers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint of Killers
The same thing happened during the Great Depression. I guess its ok for poor white people, but its wrong for poor "minorities". God bless Ame... ah fuck it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JefmcC
I finally watched the video. That shit ruled.
Yeah, I'm totally sure employers have no need of trained, licensed tradespeople. It's way better to get some uneducated guy who doesn't speak english to do your building's wiring.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
Your friends aren't unemployed because of them danged immygintz. They're unemployed because they suck. Seriously, only pathetic rednecks sit around saying that shit. "I'd have a steady income, but dadgummit them Mexicans're takin' all the jobs away from hard workin' 'mericans!"
Punk rock street cred -10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Its punk rock to like illegal immigration?
Whatever. I loled.
It's punk rock to stick it to the man and rage against his racist orthodoxy. Needledick in the video was totally about to turn those guys in, when he should've been trying to score cheeba and Mexican hooch off them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Needledick is a character, and his videos make me laugh.
SeriouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by StriderKyo
This is freshman-level sociology bullshit, the trusty "It doesn't matter that they pay no income tax" argument. Of course it matters and of course it's stealing, what the fuck is wrong with your head? Taking government money you have no right to as an illegal alien isn't stealing? Ok, when your parents die I'm going to pretend I'm your brother so I can take half their money, cool?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
You're an idiot, plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by StriderKyo
You're going to sit there and say that laborers who have been in a union for 20 fucking years aren't employed because they "suck"? They are unemployed because their employers and their employers competition get cheaper (trained, illegals aren't stupid and many have been around for years) labor that requires a lower salary, no workers comp policy, no benefits, no paid days off and can be hired by the day rather than by the job. Go talk to some people in the trades, any position, and ask them what they think about illegals before you spout ignorant racist crap as an excuse rather than reality. Yeah, painting laborers as ignorant and illiterate rednecks that suck is just fucking stupid and you're usually smarter than that.
Do you suffer from Autism?Quote:
Originally Posted by StriderKyo
Alright, alright, I apologize for coming across so harshly, but I don't see where I'm being racist here (especially since I'm a wasp myself); I think it's the other way around - this whole thread is based on the antics of a guy calling himself "the amazing racist," and I think it's really funny how the right wingers here are all about survival of the fittest and America sticking it to others because hey, "that's the way the world works" - but as soon as that way of thinking doesn't work to the advantage of white folks they cry foul. There's more than a little racist undertone here, considering it's being blamed on Mexicans and not, say, Portugese immigrants who make up a fair portion of illegal workers as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
And I stand by what I said - if I lost my job tomorrow to some guy with no communications skills or specialized education, I wouldn't get all mad at them, I'd wake up and realize my employable skills were seriously that worthless.
Because if your friends are that easily replaceable they have no right to complain about losing their jobs, since it could just as easily have been a legal worker who was willing to do their job for minimum wage. If somebody can just walk in off the street and do their jobs, that's how low-value their abilites are. That's the laissez faire capitalism that makes America great.
I don't think anybody has a right to be an illegal immigrant, and I understand how it's unfair competition, but fuck it, nobody's putting a gun to your friends' heads and making them stay in a job where they don't work half the year either. Any half decent electrician or plumber with drive can pull down six figures, so I don't buy the complaints about all the evil Mexicans.