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lol at achievements.
The Japanese seem to have this thing with OCD-driven achievements. Take at look at DoAX2 or Bomberman for some absurd examples of timesinks. Even in the better designed games out of Japan, there are a couple of absurd ones, like getting all of the medals in Lost Planet, finishing every possible combination of race and class without touching anything in Ridge Racer 6, or surviving for 7 days in Dead Rising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
No friends, huh? I kid, I kid. This is a game meant for split-screen co-op. Shame there isn't online, but I'll take it as is. I'm more disappointed by the lack of pale wing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash
I know you're kidding, but this really has been a problem for me as the years go by. Not that I'm losing friends, but less and less of my friends stay interested in video games, let alone a campy one about shooting down giant, invading, alien bugs. The ones who are still into video games only want to have Halo or Gears of War parties. Consequently, my social gaming had to be taken online.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ammadeau
No thanks, I'm good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstick
The RR6 ones are just straight up retarded. I looked at the achievements list, laughed, and got my 5 points for doing a 360 as the lone one I'm going to bother with.Quote:
finishing every possible combination of race and class without touching anything in Ridge Racer 6
Have they actually listed the EDF achievements yet, or just said that there's six of them? I can't say I really care all that much about achievements, although I've been chasing the Crackdown ones because I love the game so much, but six? Looking forward to EDF anyway, because I love blasting the living crap out of everything that moves.
The European version of the PS2 Earth Defence Force 2 never actually came out, did it? I'm never really up on where to look for European news.
James
I think it looks worth about $40. Online play would have been nice, but it's no deal breaker for this game. It's not a big release, just a quick fix.
Yeah, they totally blow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tain
That one is easy, finishing the game in extreme is another storyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dipstick
The price is right and I could co-op with my brother for this stuff, but I'll have to see how funds are doing in a couple of weeks.
Split-screen with a friend. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
All you do is play through the game one time normally. Every section of each area counts as a level. You didn't have to play the entire game over several times from scratch.
You people that judge a game based on achievements are disgusting.
Does seem extreme to me too.
It's part of the design now. Making stupid achievement decisions is no different than making a stupid decision on gameplay or graphics.Quote:
Originally Posted by icarusfall
That's like saying the deleted scenes and commentaries on the DVD are as important to a movie being good as the acting and cinematogrophy. Achievements are a very nice bonus feature, but I pity the fool who takes them into account when deciding what to buy/play.
I never said they were as important. I said that it was a design flaw though, which is not true of deleted scenes.
Also, a lot of people thought the same way as you about online play five years ago...
This sure reads like you're putting them on the same plane. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that this was a case of poorly-crafted semantics. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
You'd be surprised how many still do, or don't even know about it at all. Joe Casual can be a pretty astonishing animal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I'll grant you that. I meant that it's no different in that it should be well thought out, not that the severity of the mistake was the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordPerrin
I try not to think about it. I sleep better that way.Quote:
You'd be surprised how many still do, or don't even know about it at all. Joe Casual can be a pretty astonishing animal.
Downloaded the trailer last night. I can't wait to play this.
I should be getting this tomorrow. Very pumped.
So anyone got it yet? I'm interested to see a review or two on it.
Finally picked this up.
In short: It's worth it.
Framerate: Major improvement all around. The game seems to hold 60 fps more frequently although there are still plenty of moments where the framerate drops to the 1s and 2s whenever shit gets really bad.
In EDF3 you actually work with a "team". You don't assign them orders or anything but they follow you around and kill stuff. Also there's constant chatter going on between them(B-movie quality of course) and they die pretty easily if you shoot them. :/
The lame "lock-on" mechanic from EDF2 is gone completely. It handles just like practically every other X360 gun game(Left stick moves, right stick aims). And yes I know you can turn off the lock-on from EDF2 so don't bring it up.
To be honest I don't really care about Pale Wing(Thought she was boring too be honest). I admit though I will miss some of her weapons(like the homing laser that juggles aliens and the sniper rifle that sends them flying for miles). Hopefully they're around there somewhere. There are over 120 weapons afterall and I've only collected 20.
Aside from having much better graphics the game feels like a quasi-expansion pack of EDF3. In some ways it's a step forward and in other ways a step back. Then again I'm not sure how I feel about it all just yet as I need more time with the game. It feels kind of weird typing this but it's like..I think the game is awesome and possibly better than EDF2 but I know fans of EDF2 won't feel the same way.
Oh and honestly I'm liking the fact that the game has less stages than EDF2. That game honestly felt bloated(Way too many stages were more of the same and haha at 100% completion with both characters). Need to spend more time to check out the vehicles and the higher difficulties.(I would have went straight to normal but uh...achievements y'know)
Oh and the enemies are better designed. The small flying ships look more creative than the lame flying saucers from EDF2 and the giant robots are awesome.
Hopefully this game manages to do decent sales but somehow I doubt it. My local EB only got three copies in(I had one of them pre-ordered). Other people have reported a larger number of copies though so eh..who knows.
Pale Wing vs. way better framerate.
Not too tough of a decision for me.
local game store doesn't get it until tomorrow morning. =/
Okay, so after watching the trailers again, I've decided to pick it up, despite the lack of online co-op. My local game store won't be getting it in until tomorrow either.
My Best Buy didn't have it today and it's not listed on thier website.
It's EDF in high res with a lot of the framerate issues fixed.
That's the review. My EBs got 2 copies each.
I'll scout for this sometime this weekend, as I have some crap for trade-in. Hopefully my local EB got enough copies.
Damn, I was hoping this would produced in decent quantities like everything else on 360 so I wouldn't have to buy it right away.
I might pick it up from work this weekend.
I think it depends how much more time I feel like putting into Crackdown.
Goddamit. Co-op online would have guaranteed a day one purchase, but this limited quantities crap will force my hand and buy it early anyway (if I can find it).
We got something like 10 over here, but then again I worked over everyone I knew who'd be interested so they'd send me enough.
It's sitting still wrapped in my backpack right now. I really hope I've got time to play some EDF tonight, but I kind of doubt it. Stupid world and it's other stuff aside from games.
James
Pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash
That's what I said before, but the game looks too good so I'm willing to let it slide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
If I can find a copy on Friday, I'll just place an order online. I want it, but not in any rush with the backlog I have.
I'm in love with the co-op modes over Live. It really does make me like video games again knowing I can play with my friends no matter where they are. So going back to solo games is kind of a blah idea to me.
I didn't have time for the hour I just spend playing EDF. My only complaint is wanting to jump like the enforced in Crackdown, but other than that I think I've found one of the greatest games in the history of ever. Someone throw a few million bucks Sandlot's way so they can fully deliver on EDF's promise with a better engine and more enemy designs.
It might be better this way, though. I'm not sure how much pure Awesome one disc can hold.
James
Played about an hour, myself. The difference in performance from EDF2 is just so goddamn amazing. Surprising amount of speech in here, too. Awesome all around.
And if you haven't played EDF2, remember to turn off the "camera effect" so you aren't forced to watch a UFO falling or deploying or whatever when you want to be shooting enemies.
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Speaking of Crackdown, this game really COULD have had awesome achievements. Shit like "ride on a UFO" or "beat a mission on Inferno with <joke weapons>" or something.
I rented this to play co op and holy crap EvilMog and I are having a lot of fun. I thought this game looked fucking gay and retarded and would've never given it a chance without you guys saying how fun it is. Giant robots fucking rule.
Ants too.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiMoogle
Got this today, and I'm loving it. Starship Troopers with Lost Planet-style gameplay FTW. Blowing up big bugs is awesome.
This is awesome. I loved EDF2, and this is just like that game - only with better graphics and a framerate that isn't usually garbage. I really like all the things the soldiers say - somehow that random chatter makes them endearing enough for me to (mostly) try to avoid blowing them up accidentally.
I hope that, like EDF2, some of the missions take place in real places. It was hilarious fun blowing up London. While leveling generic cities is amusing, destroying major landmarks is even more amusing.
This game is nothing like Lost Planet besides the 3rd person view. This game is pretty cool, Lost Planet sucks ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
I'm referring to the style of gameplay only, geez. I think you got some of the alien ants in your pants. :D
There were thirty of these when we opened this morning. How many did we still have at close?
All of them, is this really worth getting? I'm worried now.
Don't let the general public's taste tell you what's good and what isn't. EDF is too much fun, and I don't know why I'm typing this when I could be off playing.
Thirty, though? Damn, where do you work? I thought I was loaded down with ten copies.
James
Yeah, my local EB got only 3. The guy didn't know what I was talking about when I asked for it.
Fry's. It was actually like 32 or something.
How long does it take to do one play through?
Well, I've only done an hour so far (real-world is being unkind to my gaming time) but there's 54 levels, with multiple selectable difficulties available. Once you've got enough HP to tackle the harder difficulties you can run through them and get better weapons, enabling even tougher difficulties, and that's on all 54 levels. If you just want to blow through on Medium, probably not more than 12-15 hours or so. If you want to see what the game's really got to offer, more like a hundred. Especially if you do co-op.
Not bad for $40, basically.
James
Like almost every Japanese action game (well, any Japanese game period), it is mind-numbingly repetitive. BUT...it's fun. Playing with all the different weapons and blowing buildings up is great.
Some of the missions get brutally hard later on. I'm on mission 16 (I think, it's the one called "nest" where you have to clean one out), and I'm just getting wiped out. My guys are useless and the ants and spiders overwhelm me no matter which weapon I use.
Anyone pass this part yet?
The case could easily be made to replace "the general public's" with "TNL's" in your comment. Not trying to dispute your assessment of the game as I will be picking this up today myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
Melf,
Which difficulty are you playing on? I'd recommend taking either a shotgun or even the flame thrower with you since those nest missions are in rather close quaters. Do not allow yourself to get surrounded. Sounds obvious I know, but make that your priority. Do not rely on your squad as they are just cannon fodder pretty much. Try to take any spiders first as they are the most dangerous.
If all else fails, go back to the earlier levels and collect some Armor. The missions only get more hectic from here on out.
And after reading James' reviews in HGM, it's even easier to replace "public's" with "James'."Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
Just finished the last mission on Normal.
It's a good game, but there really is too much stuff missing from EDF2. Pill bugs, centipedes, pale wing, a bit more level variety... I do like the weapons more, and the new enemies are rare but neat. It's probably better than EDF2, but not by a whole lot.
LOL! As funny as it is, it's true. I am reconsidering a purchase of EDF 3 now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Well, I've given TNL's recommendations a shot in the past and been generally happy with how it's turned out, for the most part. Listening to a small internet community where you know almost everyone, and can mentally edit for personal taste, makes more sense to me than listening to the general public, who've never even heard of this game in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
For another example of this at work, check out Puzzle Quest. Great game, flies completely under the public's radar. Of course, on the other end of the spectrum you get Killer 7 and P.N.03, which aren't really for everyone.
James
I beat it on normal. I got 75 of the weapons and it took about 6 hours (that includes time spent in the menu and just a few deaths/restarts). Cool stuff.
I think I will play a few levels a day and try to get 100% clear and find all the weapons. It's a good game in short bursts. Probably take half an hour to do 3 or 4 missions.
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Originally Posted by James
You're right, it's just that the lemons really stick out. But I've able to identify certain posters with whom I share similar tastes.
Well Joust likes it, you can't go wrong with that. :lol:
James
This game is completely insane. I like it.
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this game is really fun. just played through on normal, took about 10 hrs. gonna try again on a harder difficulty. definitely going to be an overlooked gem. i love the sci-fi giant creature b movie setup. despite appearances, this is definitely one not to knock until you try it
Some of the new weapons are really cool, like the sentry gun and the box of explosive ball bearings. The game also looks incredibly good when there's hoardes of enemies and explosions all over the place. Shame that jumping is so gimped. I swear your allies can jump higher.
Best thing is when you are fighting a bunch of those giant walking robots, you destroy one, there's this HUGE firey-red explosion, and you can see the next giant robot walking in through the fire. Really great 60's B-movie sci-fi atmosphere.
I had the greatest moment fighting one of those giant robots. I was standing right in front of him and he lowered the two barrels of his plasma cannons right in my face... and by face I mean body, since the barrels of the cannons were taller than I was. Probably goes without saying that I didn't manage to dodge that particular shot.
As I got to that part of the post, I thought it would end with "and I shot a rocket right in his face and he came tumbling down in front of me."Quote:
Originally Posted by Ammadeau
Some of my favorite moments have been against the robots, too. Taking one down with him almost on top of me, the explosion masking the entire battlefield, and only being able to tell where the enemy is by the firepower coming through the wall of flame as I shoot back madly. The bass rumbling through the speakers and the screen shaking while radio chatter goes on in the background made for an incredibly immersive chunk of gaming.
James
I beat this on Normal today. It was quite an awesome experience. The game kept piling on the enemies, and just when I thought I was done for, I shoot my way out of it, only to see my radar flooded with red dots again. I think the craziest moment for me was the level where the lord bugs and lord spiders came out. The lord winged ant on top of the skyscraper was almost a symbol for the end of the world.
How nice.
I swung by EBgames earlier to check on the status of Metal Slug Anthology PS2(this week? no way) and all of the copies of EDF3 were sold out.
Course there were only two available but eh. Nice to know people are buying it.
Fun game, co-op is a blast. Too bad there isn't any form of XBL play. 4+ player co-op would rock.
Lol, that was indeed pretty cool. I pelted his ass with Goliath missiles from the starting point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash
I'm going to go stage by stage now, doing each one on easy and then hard. I should have enough health and weapons to get through it all easy enough.
Finished it co-op on normal and Hard. Thats enough for me. If I owned the game I may go back to it but for now I got my fill.
To EvilMog or anyone else who's finished the game with a partner; when you finished the game on co-op were both players signed into an account (via the guide button)? Did they both get the achievement and gamer score boost?
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Originally Posted by MonsterMash
No. Only the one player was allowed to sign in.
Shit. Aight, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilMog
I played through about ten of the missions thus far, and the presentation is just incredibly underwhelming. With awful clipping, down right laughably physics, and the game isn't a looker in general. With all that said it IS a fun game that has that "one more mission" quality to it. And I can only imagine it getting better as it goes along. So far it get's a solid 7 from me, not that anyone cares what I give it.
You're right. No one cares what you give it.
IBTN:cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Your imagination would be correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sega saturn x
Complaining about presentation and clipping in a game like this is missing the point. Next you'll be ragging about the framerate.
The frame rates been fine for the most part, and I can't see how picking on obvious flaws is "missing the point" of the game. You fight giant bugs and robots, yeah it's cool. Doesn't give them a free pass on everything else though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ammadeau
I actually feel the exact same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sega saturn x
The game is stupid fun. Enjoy it or sell it. If you're complaining about graphics, physics, clipping, or framerate then you're an idiot. It's like you're putting some action move like Commando to the same set of criteria you'd judge Citizen Kane or Rashomon on. The game has one goal; to put a shitload of enemies on screen that are huge and you with lots of weapons to blow them up. It accomplishes that goal, appreciate it or GTFO.
Serious Sam.
Except good.
...is not as good as this.
edit beaten
Some of you people astound me. Can you honestly say that if the problems he mentions were corrected it would do anything but improve the game overall?
It is a shit ton of fun, no one denys that. Hopefully this sells enough that they can do another sequel with more improvements.
Honestly I haven't noticed many of these issues you're describing, excepting maybe some slowdown, which is odd, because it'll happen when there's not much happening in play, but on some other level there'll be a thousand things happening at once and not a bit of chugging.
Serious Sam First and Second Encounter are as good as EDF. Serious Sam II, not so much. All three are the some of the finest pure shooting action I've ever seen in a game.
James
I'm fine with Earth Defense Force 2017 the way it is, but one thing I would have liked to see was better collision on certain things. For example, when you shoot down a spaceship and it hits the ground, it would have been nice if it actually crashed, rather than just sink through the ground. Along the same line, it would have been nice to have falling objects (buildings, spaceships, bridges, etc.) damage enemies.
Just got done a round and I want to mention a key next-gen feature that EDF gets right, that so many other full priced games screw up- Starting up the game, I can click through the developer, publisher, and copyright logos as fast as they appear.
The thick, full-color manual is nice too. Sega and EA don't care, but I do.
James
Is EDF3 related to 'Global Defence Force' that was just released on ps2 pal?
considering how closely the guy on the front matches the guy on EDF 2017, I'd say yes.
Couldn't you play as a chick in one of these? Could of sworn I saw a video that had a girl instead of a guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Cena
Mobile Light Force?
alright, I'll buy it then. Some review read 'best run'n'gun on ps2' - which hooked me. It's out on budget (9 uk pounds) on amazon.co.uk
Global Defense Force = EDF2.
Yeah, EDF2 and maybe EDF. She has a totally different weapon set and can fly. I was bummed that she was taken out of the 360 game, as I never got around to replaying EDF2 with her.Quote:
Couldn't you play as a chick in one of these? Could of sworn I saw a video that had a girl instead of a guy.
Just beat it on Hard, with several levels done on Hardest and even a few Inferno. 2000HP and 131 weapons, and I'm considering a full Hardest run-through in a few days. Sucks that, if I want 100% of all weapons, I've not only got to beat Easy but Inferno as well. Seriously, who plays on Easy?
James
You won't last with that energy. I have 2700 energy and 126 weapons, and some missions on hardest still just overwhelm me (hello spider gang bang!).
You don't have to do a complete run through of all difficulties to get all the weapons. The walk through I linked to above has a great chart that tells you the best missions for each weapon on each difficulty, and you can just keep doing those particular missions to get the last few you need. It's a great way to grind for armor too, in case you decide to go for inferno.
I'm down to about 10 missions are so on Hardest, and I'm getting convinced they're impossible without max health. The swarm of bugs just can't be stopped by anything. I've tried grenades, shotguns, missiles, rockets, turrents, bombs, claymores, etc. It just doesn't work. I don't even want to comprehend what trying to take down the Mothership on Hardest or (god forbid) Inferno is going to be like.