unless sony has a hell of a plan for their own games lined up or they know something the rest of us don't about the future of android games, this is going to be trash
ProTip: This is going to be trash.
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unless sony has a hell of a plan for their own games lined up or they know something the rest of us don't about the future of android games, this is going to be trash
ProTip: This is going to be trash.
Well I'm not really interested in any iphone games and the prospect of playing interesting games on my phone with decent controls could sway where I go for my next phone. Meh whatevs.
If games are going to support these controls properly, either Sony's going to have to ensure that people are working on unique games for this thing or Android developers will need to start catering to Sony Ericsson phones specifically during development. I can't imagine either of these going too well.
Still, support for these controls might make the SNES emulators on Android tolerable finally!
Android is competing against Android quite well. This is more directly competing with other Android phones, and it offers a unique selling point that seems a lot more appealing than their earlier attempts at Android devices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
I think there's a market for this, but it's going to depend on if the execution is worthy of the concept.
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Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Do tell.
PS-Gage imo
This will live and die on emulators. I would get one for 8 and 16 bit on the go.
PS1 games, huh?. You must be thrilled.
I just found it humorous that it's running ROMs before it's even officially announced. I would have almost no use for that, which is one reason my PSP still uses official firmware.
ROMs =/= piracy.
This is probably what the official game download service will use, and they just don't have a front end ready for it yet.
I was kind of excited about this, and then Motorola announced the Atrix, and my life got flipped turned upside down. Now I don't know what to think.
Good point. If the key feature is paid PS1 ROMs, then I'll pass. We have a whole combative thread about what I think of that generation.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
But the Atrix doesn't even have buttons or d-pad or stick or anything. It's no better than an iphone.
Yeah, that's like not having a second analog stick.
Yeah, but it turns into a fucking computer. That's cooler than turning into a game boy. I'm not saying they're comparable except in that they're Android phones with a gimmick, but the Atrix is better hardware and maybe a cooler gimmick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kbu Chan
Nah, it's like not having any type of input required to play a decent game, ya know, like the iphone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Ignorance is bliss. The Cave games on the iPhone remain better than anything on the DS or PSP.
I never thought in a million years that I would agree...but they really are. The directional control has an analog-y precision that actually works better than a d-pad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Still, emulators aren't worth it without traditional controls.
I can get some use out of emus with a keyboard, but it depends on the game. Touch only is no good though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheebs
I wonder why that blue tooth clip-on joypad never caught on. That would solve every emulator issue ever on every phone.
The Zeemote is alright, only has four buttons though. It does have a nice analog controller.
http://www.zeemote.com/
I also have a gamegripper, and it's absolutely necessary for emulators. Your phone has to have a keyboard first, so, no go for iphone.
http://sites.google.com/site/gamegripper/
I should get one of those. My phone is one of the few (only?) that I think could have that attached when opened or closed so it might even be ok to throw in my pocket.
It's just a rubbery snap on attachment, but it really does work perfectly. Only $12 bucks too. What kind of phone you got?
Backflip. Not great for emulators, but I overeclocked it and it's solid for 8 and 16-bit stuff.
Engadget has a try at the new phone.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/26/s...phone-preview/
I could see myself replacing my LG Xenon and GB micro with one of these if the price is right, although I really don't have any interest in having a smartphone.
Still not officially announced, but now there is a commercial that has been leaked:
Xperia Play will launch with 50 games from 20 publishers and come to Verizon first in early spring.
Since my contract with AT&T doesn't expire until June (I think), I'll likely have a full fact sheet to decide between this and iPhone 5.
edit: Can a mod rename this thread to "Official PlayStation Suite and Xperia Play Thread"? Might as well cover both of these pieces together to make it useful to more people.
I ditched my Game Gripper and now use Wii Controller IME. It just lets you use wiimote on the emulators. Works with Classic controller also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kbu Chan
Still looking forward to Xperia play; waiting and seeing if they try to lock out emulator apps.
I would imagine that they would have issues locking out legitimate Android market software, but who knows. I'll be waiting for the inevitable crack that lets you load any PS1 ISO you want onto the thing to replace my old hacked PSP-1000. Oh, and I'll be waiting for my Non-Verizon carrier to pick the phone up.
Ah, you mean FPse?
Done.
yongzh, Schtruck, & LDchen run the market. Any goofy shit Sony officially puts out will just be a bonus.
I kept wondering when the inevitable, really stupid decision would come, and here it is. PSN and PlayStation Suite are separate, so if you bought a PS1 game on PSN, you can't play it through the PS Suite. It's now back to Apple's game to lose.
That kills it for me. If they would have made it PSN compatible and I could play my PS1 and minis on it I would have dropped my Droid X for it in a heartbeat.
Oh, fuck that then. The phone is convenient, but I'm not paying twice and I'd rather have it on the PSP 3000/PS3. So the phone is really going to be my worst fear for it-an Android phone with a gamepad, and not much more.
Really? A midrange android handset with Playstation style digital inputs and some kind of analog touch things is exactly what it was rumoured to be, and I think it turned out about as well as could be expected.
It's a rather pointless use of the Playstation brand, though.
The dpad and buttons are the only thing it has going for it, and I'm not a huge fan of Sony's design to begin with.
Hopefully some other phone maker will design a generic gaming phone to compete with this.
Until then, this is the best option.
Portables are dead. Smartphones are going to take over. Nobody over the age of 12 is going to be want caught playing a 3DS or NGP in public.
junk
Does anyone even care about shit like this? I'm serious. I haven't given 2 shits about what strangers think in a long ass time. Do you really think no one is going to buy a NGP, or 3DS because they don't want to be seen in public with it? What kind of middle school thinking is that. People will buy what they want if it can play the games/videos/music they want to play on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by east of eastside
I grew out of the "gotta look cool in public" thing sometime around 15 or 16, when I stopped hating my parents and shit. It's really just kind of pitiful that people think this is a rational argument against a portable game playing machine.
Yeah, I hope East is a teenager because if he isn't, he's retarded.
I think you guys are underestimating the low self esteem and general insecurity of the average joe, let alone gamer. Not saying portables are gonna die because of it, but of course tons of people young and old care way too much about what electronic device they're "seen" with.
Well those people have a lot more to be concerned about than being "seen" with a handheld.
At the firm I work at, all my coworkers are female baby boomers. They frown on gaming like it is smoking except for windows solitare and DS Brain Age.
I pretty much only use PSP for lunch breaks and I leave the department so it doesn't affect my reputation at work.
Being able to hide game controls on a phone is important to me.
There isn't a piece of ass on the planet that is worth being anything other than yourself.
Here comes the PSPad or whatever stupid name they'll give it eventually.
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Originally Posted by DJ Incompetent
Seems like Glass Joe hit the nail on the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glass Joe
Sony rep just stopped in. Got to use a pre-production Verizon version.
Some thoughts...
Running Gingerbread with no UI changes..
Thinner than it looks from pictures on the web. Somewhere between a droid 2 and an incredible.
Controls were pretty good. The 3d pad is essentually 2 touch surfaces in the normal locations of a PS controler, and shoulder buttons.
Had crash bandicot, sims 3, bruce lee and a racing game called asphalt. They all looked really good. Crash looked like it was running a PS1 emu of the original, and the smaller screen actually hid a lot of the ps1 jaggies. Supposedly may have madden 2011 included on launch (will sell a ton if so)
Installed quadrant on it while the guy was talking, scored about a 1500, but it SMOKED the video tests. The 3d renders were a solid 60 FPS. Even the xoom drops bellow 30 at times.
Thanks for the hands on impressions. Doesn't Crash use four shoulder buttons? How did it handle that? Where were the other two on the screen?
I don't think it uses four shoulder buttons.
I honestly didn't find any point i need any other buttons in crash, but I played it for only a few minutes.
Damn. ok. Thanks. That seems to be the one potential weakness from a control standpoint, though I don't recall how many PS1 games actually used four shoulder buttons.
I've got a ton of PS1 games on my PSP, the only one that I can really think of that really needs all four shoulder buttons was Wing Commander 4, so I don't think it's really going to be an issue.
The PSP's PS1 emulator uses the analog stick for L2 and R2 (left is L2, right is R2, up is L2+R2), but I'm not sure how the official emulator does it.
I wonder if you can map them to those touchy things.
It has begun. Gameloft's BackStab will be the first (timed) exclusive for the Xperia Play. I don't believe this has anything to do with the PlayStation Suite, so this is just one Android app being made exclusive to one Android device for a limited time, which is goofy.
This is a pretty embarrassing launch lineup. Most of that is just filler that is available on all smart phones.
The Xperia Play finally launches in the US on May 26 and on Verizon. I'm hoping Sony announces a newer version with more horsepower at E3 so that the iPhone 5 isn't as much of a slam dunk as it is against this model.
They are spreading themselves way too thin with all these gaming devices. Fuck, give me a NGP that can make phone calls.
The release is kinda perfect for me. That gives them 5 months to work out the bugs and release a better model in time for my current contract to expire. Or, it gives the thing time to fail spectacularly before I will get one.
Agreed on spread too thin. Disagree on the NGP with phone. If you're going to drop one, drop the NGP.
The Xperia:
*isn't ganking the Neo Geo Pocket's name
*already has a phone
*also has the rest of the Android shit meaning...
*...it can play classic emulators...
*...on a device that finally has a damn d-pad!
This does everything you would ever need in a portable aside from being an iThingy. But if it was an iThingy it wouldn't have emulation or any buttons, so I suppose there will be no all-in-one for now. It's the NGP that puzzles me. What purpose can that thing possibly serve over this?
NGP is probably a code name. We'll see PSP2 logos at E3 I would think. And the purpose it serves is that it's not completely underpowered like this is. It doesn't even have a dual core CPU, when a lot of the other Android devices coming out now are.
Still, why does the NGP/PSP2 exist? For the non-Verizon public? If so just put out a cheaper non-phone Xperia with a wifi connection.
You're missing what I am saying. The Xperia Play is weak as fuck. I suspect my iPhone 3GS can run more advanced games than it can. On the other hand, the NGP just massacres every other portable device out there. Then again, I wouldn't buy a portable for emulators in the first place. I never got a GP32 or any of the similar systems, so that's not going to sell me one of these. And the native stuff just doesn't measure up the iOS games.
It's more powerful than the PSP. What else could it possibly need to do to play portable games?
In 2005? Nothing. The PSP is six years old. It's not much of a benchmark anymore.
No one is going to buy this. Everyone's already stuck in contracts and the current Droid lineup smokes this weak piece of shit.
They should have spent their time making a Playstation Droid controller solution and a Droid PSN with games that people actually care about. That sort of thing would make money, not this. Hell, a PSP phone would make more money than this.
I'm giving it six months before Sony claims is was an important venture for market research and that they have "learned much" from it.
Unlikely, since the PlayStation Suite also has two tablets and the NGP coming out that support it. As FirstBlood said, this device itself is a waste. That's why I'm hoping for a new one to be announced a E3.
PS Suite is a big deal in the company.
Xperia Play is junk but they will keep working on the Suite for the forseeable future.
If I could get this on Sprint I would.
Yeah, we are getting the launch kits today, phones at the end of the week.
I have pretty good "flop phone" radar, and when I played with the proto I had decent hopes, but now the internet buzz is so negative it may kill it.
I have had a decent number of customer inquiries on it though.
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
Tech specs should really only come into discussion when you're comparing two very similar products. An iPhone, a NGP, and a Xperia Play are not similar products.
It's like you're going into Home Depot, walking up to a hammer, and launching into some crazy rant on how this hammer is not a power drill and power drills are sooooooo much better than hammers.
We get it. You will adapt to whatever portable format pushes the highest horsepower. That's fine. It sounds like you want an NGP if you're not factoring a phone in your life at all.
This X. Play thing is a phone with a dpad that still fits in a pocket. There is no other phone like it that doesn't involve some bullshit adapter. This is huge to people who give a shit about this style of gaming that can't live without a smartphone. Even with android in its current state, if you can't find a way to fill the phone up with decent small time d-pad-able games, you're a moron.
Also, I'll take a legitimate upscale console the fits in my pocket over a hulking horsepower console that is impractical to leave the house with.
It's a hammer, Yoshi. It's not a power drill. Go talk shit on the power drills thread if you like power drills, Yoshi.
Thanks for that mass of obvious text. Cheebs asked why the NGP exists, so I answered him. If someone wants to pay $200 + contract for a GP32 phone, more power to them, but that thing is a joke in every way except the physical controls.
Gonna hold out for the NGPC.
Notch tweeted a picture of Minecraft running on the Xperia Play.
Killer ap imo.
Timed exclusive or some such shit. I don't see how the game is any better suited to this than it is to any other android phone.
The Xperia Play is coming to AT&T in navy, as well as the standard black. The blue is some sexy shit.
It's a shame the platform itself is so underwhelming.
It's weird to me anybody in the world cares about this.
I just want a phone that's good for emulating older games.
It would be great if Dingoo or Gemei made a GSM gaming phone.
Droid + every emulator + bluetooth controller attachment = who cares about xperia?
I'm not going to carry a fucking Wiimote with me everywhere I go. If I'm at home anyway, I'm using the Wii/Modbox/PC.
I have a keypad overlay for my droid, it's pretty sweet.
Awesome, so it can not sell on 2 carriers instead of not selling on 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Wow. Unofficial killer app.
The third and fourth announced PlayStation Suite devices are taking shape: Sony's Tablet S and Tablet P. I can't decide how I feel about the dual screen P. It might work better for games, as the virtual controls wouldn't block the top screen, but isn't most of the tablet appeal the size of the screen?
Most of a tablet's appeal is keeping up with the joneses.
AT&T Xperia Play on September 18 with 4G HSPA+ for $49.99 with contract. That's awfully, awfully tempting, since Apple doesn't want my money.
Jesus, I hate AT&T, but I am tempted as well.
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Originally Posted by Compass
The Xperia play stuff, or the easy Vita homebrew?
agree on former, disagree on latter
The whole kit and kaboodle.
This phone is a buggy pile of shit.
You are better off lighting $50 in singles in a stack on fire.
We have already givenup on them and sent them all back to Sony already. We sold 8. 6 Came back.
Damn, that's bad. Defective hardware, or shitty software?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildkat
Defective users would be my guess. I've read almost literally everything available on the internet and have not come across anything that would warrant a return, let alone 6 out of 8. My guess would be people buy it thinking it's a PSP or something else retarded and can't figure how to use Android. The reviews by gamers I have read have been largely positive.
I'm curious to see if the people Wildkat talked to gave a reason.