havent heard shit about this movie until this review. comes out on my birthday. anybody heard of this one yet?
http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/732/732094p1.html
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havent heard shit about this movie until this review. comes out on my birthday. anybody heard of this one yet?
http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/732/732094p1.html
First I've heard of it, and it's sounds great. I've been a big fan of most of del Toro's films, so I'll definitely be checking this one out.
Can't wait for this. Fucking awesome creature design. You have to check out the trailer.
I saw the trailer recently, and I'm very interested. The trailer made it look like some kind of beautiful, twisted fairy tale. I know the basic plot, but I'm really trying to avoid any further info so I'll go into the movie fresh.
Del Toro's a good director, although I find his movies a tad on the cartoonish side (but I've only seen Blade 2 and Hellboy, not his other stuff). Pan has a slightly more serious look to it.
I saw a pic/preview article in EW and I'm definitly going to see this.
dudes...this is the type of film I've always wanted to see, like a really, really fucked up but beautiful Brother's Grimm tale
After viewing the trailer I don't think I've wanted to see a film as badly as this one in a really long time. It really does look amazing and I seriously can't wait.
Supposedly out in limited release next week. Looks really good. I really dug the style of Hellboy and the stories in Devils Backbone and Cronos, hopefully this will be another score for Del Toro
Del Toro is fantastic, and there's apparently a lot of social, economic, and militaristic symbolism in this film, but this means that we have to wait longer for him to do At the Mountains of Madness (Hellboy sequel is next for him, I think).
His latest interview said he wants to make a darker Tarzan movie. I'm a big fan of Del Toro, I really like his stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klonoa
Same interview he said that he, Alfons Curion (Potter 3) and the dude that directed Babel have been kicking around the idea of making a movie where they each take a character in a kidnapping plot. So you'd see the same overall story through 3 different angles as a different character in the story (with a different director for each).
Sounds cool as hell, reminds me a tiny bit of Grindhouse which I can't wait to see.
So any word on where exactly this will be showing? The site says nothing of this.
apparently its in the Regal Indie theater next to UCI here in Orange County, im gonna try checking it out tomorrow.
My local paper said to expect wide release on the 19th.
Anyone seen this yet? I want impressions you cunts.
It's actually a big-budget porno. Quite a departure from Del Toro's usual work.Quote:
Originally Posted by arjue
Saw it today, was really good, go see it. Del Toro's best movie(that I've seen, at least).Quote:
Originally Posted by arjue
Del Toro just can't hide his love for the horror genre, and Pan's Labyrinth is probably one of the darkest 'fairy tales' I've seen in years. Visually, it's gorgeous, but terribly disturbing. Don't take the kiddies. Some scenes will definitely freak them out. Think Tim Burton meets Clive Barker.
It's a great, albiet overhyped movie. Cool effects, a passable story, and a fantastic sense of mood and dread make it a pretty entertaining flick.
Here's an example of what you're in for (no spoilers), and a cue in on how Del Toro approaches things: a character gets shot in the face. It's a clean shot, right through the cheek and below the eye so there's no gushing blood. The eye above the wound goes limp as the character dies. The eye begins to sag because the muscles below it are now dead, and matter-of-factly, the eyeball, fluids, and tissue start slowly leaking out just before the camera cuts away. Del Toro is a detail freak when it comes to the horrifying..
:yuck: :lol:
Back to lurking...
--Shola A.
Hey, my name's Arjue. I like playing my bass guitar. Throw another shrimp on the barbie, mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by arjue
Is the 19th confirmed for the wide release?
It's currently playing at an artsy-fartsy theater near me as part of its limited release. I might check it out this weekend.
the IGN review gave it a 4.5/5
i cant wait to see it. the movie thr3e also caught my eye.
I just saw this today with my girlfriend. A fantastic film.
But why is the faun named in the English title? The original Spanish title just calls him "the faun," not "Pan." PAN MEANS BREAD.
Not in English...Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
The movie is all in Spanish, including the original title--El Laberinto Del Fauno. The movie never uses the faun's name, so I'm questioning the likelihood that it's "Pan." You probably already know this but I typed it anyway. Nyuh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunlap
This is probably the best description one could give for the film. I had ignored the hype, but happened to be sent a pair of free passes to a private screening last week. I found the visual presentation to be great, yet the story only "good". The more gruesome scenes.. well executed and worthy of something to expect from Takashi Miike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shola Akinnuso
I enjoyed this movie. It was crazy. crazy
Nope, thanks for spoiling. :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
there's a girl in the movie and at one point she wears a green dress
So is the movie dubbed or in Spanish with subtitles?
http://www.heartlandscience.org/matrls/images/pan.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Dunlap
In Spanish with english subs. This movie was just great. I was shocked many times at where this movie went. Absolutely marvelous. I couldn't take my eyes off the screen.
Man, I hope this comes here. It might have a better chance since it is in Spanish.
Absolutely fantastic film. I really can't say any more than what has already been said here.
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Originally Posted by animegirl
If by "here" you mean the internet it already is. Great quality too.
It's already in limited release. Wide release is on January 19th.Quote:
Originally Posted by animegirl
Eh, I guess I can deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hubbitron
Nothing to add: :tu:
Meh, I was unimpressed. :(
im finally finally finally watching it tomorrow
finally?
guess ill have to wait a little longer. not showing in my area yet :(
i enjoyed the movie. it was interesting. and it really did have amazing visuals. graphically, it was very impressive.
i liked the way the story twisted and intertwined the war and ofelia's fairy tale. it moved back and forth between the two pretty seamlessly. i only wish that the film had shown more of ofelia's world; i was really interested in seeing it delve deeper into that.
i was happy that it was in the original spanish with english subtitles. the acting was very good, and i don't think it would have shined through the way it did had their voices been dubbed over.
It was satisfying to watch the Captain get his mouth torn open.
Just as a heads-up: The scene with Ofelia walking into the toad tree is probably the best 3 seconds of film ever shot.
Awesome movie, twisted and suspenseful the whole time.
I enjoyed it even though it was terrifyingly depressing and gruesome. The scene where the pale man eats the fairies was insane. But I also felt that the movie was too heavily weighted on the realist side, as if it was unsure of what it wanted to be, a fairy tale with realist elements, or a war time drama with fairy tale elements. But, I think a lot of people will be shocked by this movie, I was and that's a fairly difficult feat.
Oh and I didn't realize that this was in spanish until the movie started, I felt like a failure. But it was a relief to see a foreign language film in wide release.
First Science of Sleep and now this? You and me, Dunlap, we can't be friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunlap
I still haven't seen Science!
This movie had it's moments, but I stopped being amazed by gore a long time ago, and the shock factor was about the only thing the movie was consistent with. Dialogue was cheesy, situations were hokey, CG was damn obvious at times. I liked the little girl. And the pale man's scene was pretty.
So what's your take on the end? You know what I'm talking about. I want to believe...
i loved the scene with the pale man. the artwork on the walls was a great touch: very well done, very interesting, and quite creepy. from the way the table was set to his eyes on a plate, it was all just amazingly done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunlap
everything happening in 'reality' during that movie was so damn grim that i'm intent on believing. i don't want the ending to be that she died in vain. a girl with such a beautiful heart and mind deserved to escape that hell and become a princess. the fairy tale was real, dammit. the movie was just so dark throughout that the ending needed to provide some hope of happiness.
also, that whole thing with the root under her mom's bed... it would just be too much of a coincidence if ofelia's mother went from feeling better to getting worse when the root was burned if that root wasn't helping her... i feel like that lends some proof to the fairy tale being true and not all in ofelia's head.
You said it looks boring! I hate you for that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunlap
It wasn't the gore, it was the cruelty! There was quite a bit of silliness, especially with the girl to faun conversations, but the conversations between the girl and her mama were believable. She loved her mama and her mama loved her. And the bad guy was such a good bad guy!Quote:
This movie had it's moments, but I stopped being amazed by gore a long time ago, and the shock factor was about the only thing the movie was consistent with. Dialogue was cheesy, situations were hokey, CG was damn obvious at times. I liked the little girl. And the pale man's scene was pretty.
She's dead. It was a very cruel movie.Quote:
So what's your take on the end? You know what I'm talking about. I want to believe...
It wasn't the best movie i've ever seen, but it's somewhere between pretty damn good and fucking excellent.
Absolutely beautiful. Perfect. I would not touch a damn thing.
the ending? The fairy tale is a lie. The fantasy was all in her eyes, in her imagination, when she was passing her final thoughts were of the fairytale, and her heaven being such an innocent child, being back with her family, in the dream shes always dreamed of.
Behind all the fantasy, the mill and deaths was reality, she died. But she died with her innocence, and she died believing her fantasy.
I agree with that sentiment mostly, but the only thing I question about that is how she got the root that kept her mother healthy and how she got out of her bedroom at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by RDM Brian
a child can easily lose themselves in their own imagination, thats how i took the entire fantasy sequences. Its like when you were a kid and were playing ninja turtles or power rangers in the back yard, you werent fighting shredder for real but fuck if you noticed. The root was probably something random she found and imagined Faun brought, the room she was stuck in wasnt locked from the outside, there was a guard outside of it then the comotion started. The barn where the baby was could easily be explained by the Commander running out to see the comotion, and she ran in. But im still stressing her imagination. The movie is mostly through her eyes, we see what she sees and believes for the most part in the movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
Even though the ending is meant to play out with a certain amount of ambiguity, Del Toro himself stated that he inserted three distinct clues to prove that the fantasy was in fact real. I remember the chalk being found by the Captain and the flower at the end being cited as clues, but I can't remember the third. I believe it was stated in a chud.com interview if anyone cares to find the link.
A movie about sleep makes me sleepy! so!Quote:
Originally Posted by Finch
Oh man, I just remembered, the foley on him was hilarious. He wouldn't stop squeaking! I loved that.Quote:
It wasn't the gore, it was the cruelty! There was quite a bit of silliness, especially with the girl to faun conversations, but the conversations between the girl and her mama were believable. She loved her mama and her mama loved her. And the bad guy was such a good bad guy!
i found one interview through chud.com, but i didn't see what you're mentioning. [ link here ] to be fair i only skimmed it and i'm not sure if it's the same interview you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riptwo
i found this interview on comingsoon.net. here's something i picked out of it:
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CS: In your two recent Spanish films, you have kids as the protagonists in turbulent times. Can we look at the fantasy elements of those movies as their way to escape reality into their own imaginations?
Del Toro: I actually think that fantasy is not an escape, but a way to articulate the world. I don't think the girl is escaping, because if she was escaping, then she would escape like Sam Lowry in "Brazil," flying or escape into a Disney World with little birds chirping and telling her how beautiful she is. When I was a kid, my imagination was never benign, but it helped me understand the world a little bit. It helped me articulate through fable, the good and the evil and the this and the that. It's a clear way to find your place in the world. Now crazy enough for me, in the movie, it's real.
and another interview at popmatters.
so in the two quotes i pulled, he doesn't say how he linked the fairy tale and reality to prove that it's not just in ofelia's head, but he does say he believes it's real. though, he also implies that the movie's ending is really up for interpretation by the viewer and that there's no clear-cut answer.Quote:
I imagine you’ve had different reactions to that ending.
It’s a Rorschach test, I think, it’s a blot test. Some people come to me incredibly delighted, because they’re sure the fantasy is real and others come to me very angry and say, “You are a nihilist, you say fantasy is not real,” and still others say, “I love the way you proved it is all in her mind.” And I go, “I proved neither.” I have my own theory, that it’s real, but people do react very differently.
personally i think it's the root under her mom's bed that's the third clue that it's all real. because it's not like the doctor had any idea how ofelia's mom got better. he didn't think it was anything he did. right before he died, he didn't say something like, "i need to go give your wife medicine or she'll fall ill again." the only thing that correlated with her mom getting better and getting worse was the root.
I think that enhanced the overall theme of us not really knowing what to take as real and what to take as fairy tale. That was kind of the point of following the narrative as Ofelia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
Some people in this thread said they wanted to see more creatures and things from the underworld realm and I agree. But I think that's more to do with how quality the little we got were. The art direction in this movie is awesome, and The Captain is truly an evil cunt you can't wait to see get sliced up or shot at some point.
I didn't really know much about the movie going in (wasn't expecting to read much) but I was surprised. The story was alright, but the mood and empathy built up around Ofelia is really where the movie shines outside of the awesome special effects and design.
I can't stop thinking about how awesome The Faun looked.
<3 Terry Gross. A good interview.
I saw it Thursday night and I loved it. Wonderful stuff. Guillermo Del Toro still has not let me down yet. Here's hoping the Hellboy sequel makes its way to us soon.
Also, Doug Jones is amazing, as always. Got this little bit of info from IMDb:
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Doug Jones had to memorize not only his own lines in Spanish (a language he does not speak) but also Ivana Baquero's (Ofelia) lines so he knew when to speak his next line. The servos in the head piece that made the facial expressions and ears move were so loud, he couldn't hear her speak her lines.
Hey.
Shyamalan.
Yeah, you.
This is how you make an adult fairy tale, jackass.
lol
Yeah, Lady in the Water was ass... and I actually like Shyamalan.
Saw it tonight. Thought it was flat and boring. It wasn't until Mercedes cut up the Captain that I was finally interested. If I was watching it at home I would have turned it off and done something else long before this point.
The movie is just too confused and stunted. Is it the story of Ofelia or the Captain? Is it fantasy or war? If it's Ofelia's story, it never goes anywhere. It's just a frustrating glimpse of what could have been, a great fantasy movie, but ultimately with no meat and no real satisfaction. Just teases. If it's the Captain's story, then it just takes waaaaaay too long to finally get interesting. The Captain was pure filler in the beginning while Ofelia is trying to develop, then he takes over later on when Ofelia peters out.
The Captain is by far the most interesting character and everyone else is pretty one dimensional. He was surprisingly well developed and I really liked that he was extremely evil yet still very strong. Sewing up his own lip was a nice symbolism for that. I also like that he still had a dimension of being caring and somewhat human in the way he cared about his son, especially right before he dies as he comes out of the labyrinth
All in all a decent flick as far as visuals, atmosphere and shocking moments go. But as a movie and a story, it really fell flat.
It was your mom's story.
Damn, that was awesome Finch. Good show.
I'll have to applaud that, too. Class act!
He didn't care about his son. He only cared about having a successor. It still shows him as a pretty big jerk.Quote:
I also like that he still had a dimension of being caring and somewhat human in the way he cared about his son, especially right before he dies as he comes out of the labyrinth
I like this noob.
I can't get the song from this movie out of my head. The one with the little girl making do do do noises. FUCK!
Something tells me he's not really a noob.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunlap
have you always been "survial kid" or did you join the name change club?Quote:
Originally Posted by Survival Kid
Always been Survival Kid.
Finally caught this over the weekend, and it was as close to perfect as any film I've seen in a long time.
There's no doubt in my mind that this was intended to be a realistic work, but with some fantasy elements. Any more fantasy would have diluted the main thrust of the story, although I certainly wanted more since it was so carefully and memorably done.
All of the acting was incredible, especially the girl who played Ofelia.
I did kind of half expect the film to end a lot worse than it did, because of who Pan is - the word "panic" is derived from him - but it didn't take that route, and is a better film for it, I think.
Was The Faun supposed to be Pan, then, or was it Ofelia's father? I suppose it doesn't matter.
I got the impression that the faun wasn't actually Pan, and that the title was just an unfortunate and stupid renaming for America. They must have thought "this is a faun, and Pan is a faun, so this must be Pan" and probably also that somehow Pan was a more recognizable term than the general faun. Otherwise the title makes little sense to me. The original title is El Laberinto del Fauno.
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Originally Posted by stormy
OK, thx stormy - the US title is misleading, as it hints at something that the film doesn't contain, much less mention.
Maybe the studio thought having "faun" in the title would make people think Bambi was in it or something.
Just saw this, i shat my pants with glee. Fucking great movie. Visually, it could not have been better.
I also shat my pants when I saw the faun holding the blade and asking for the baby lol.
i really want to run out to the theater to watch it again. I cant wait to get it on hd. Preferably all formats, cause i dont want to have to buy an hd-dvd player for this,Quote:
Originally Posted by arjue
Just saw this, alittle slow in the beginning but about 1/2 way through it is superbly captivating... Pale man was just awesome (scary and intense). Ending is kinda meh (another one of those interpret your own ending kind of deal) but I chose to believe that the fantasy is real just to make this happier instead of such a downer
Well done.
comes out on DVD, blu-ray and i think hd-dvd (didnt ask the suncoast lady, just saw the list on the blu-ray section) may 15th.
That's too far away to remember.
Since I probably made a big mistake and didn't watch this in theaters, I'll be sure to give this a rent day one.
Day one purchase for me.
out on DVD and Special Edition DVD.
apparently suncoast lied and theres no HD-format release
I watched this a few nights ago. It is INSANELY overrated.
I'd expect no less from an EvilMog.
I guess maybe it was semi ok since I didnt fall asleep.
I'm really curious if this movie lives up to the hype.
Does the DVD have a English dub track? I hope it does, and that it's the only track available so all the internet purists go insane.
Also, I hope Del Toro did a commentary track for the DVD. Even if the movie ends up blowing, his commentaries are always entertaining.
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=28029
Languages (no dub):
Commentary:Quote:
Pan's Labyrinth is presented in Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1 EX, 2.0 Surround and DTS-ES 6.1 mixes; the latter, apparently, is exclusive to Region 1. The film's tense, foreboding atmosphere has been carefully preserved, maintaining a strong dynamic range and a solid amount of surround activity. Dialogue is also clear and easy to understand, never fighting for attention with the onscreen action or background noise. Optional English subtitles, as well as Closed Caption support, are provided during the main feature.
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Spread over both discs, a number of extras help to round out this release nicely. The centerpiece of Disc 1 is a feature-length Audio Commentary with director Guillermo Del Toro. From start to finish, Del Toro does a fine job of keeping things interesting, sharing production stories and hints about the film's early beginnings. He speaks with conviction about the power and magic of fairy tales and how Pan's Labyrinth is firmly rooted in the genre, though more technical remarks (color schemes, camera angles, budget compromises) are also included. Overall, it's a fascinating track that fans should really enjoy.
Overall:
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Lush and immersive, Pan's Labyrinth is truly a film to get lost in. Skillfully blending equal parts fantasy and horror, the cold and warm corners of our young protagonist's world are well-rendered and striking. It's almost disarming in its simplicity, yet subtle layers lurk underneath for those who enjoy digging. In all respects, this is a truly amazing work of art and worthy of its multiple Oscar wins and nominations. New Line's dense two-disc package blesses the film with a strong technical presentation, supported firmly by an assortment of quality extras. Overall, this two-disc edition of Pan's Labyrinth is one of 2007's finest releases and worthy of our highest rating: DVD Talk Collector Series.
This AND The Fountain on the same day. Awesome.
I can see why people don't really like this movie. It's a beautiful and great movie, but the advertising was highly deceptive as is the name.
Very, very true. The American trailers presented the film as something other than what it was. You can make a very strong argument that the traditional Pan isn't even in the film at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brand X
Dole - It's excellent on all counts: acting, story, characters, effects, direction, atmosphere, soundtrack, etc. And you're right, Del Toro's commentaries are highly enjoyable. The guy's passionate about what he does, and his sense of wonder is infectious.
Its crap. There I said it. I didnt feel bad at all when the girl at the end got shot. I really didnt give a shit. Wasnt that the point? And her actually making it to be a princess at the end was almost too happy happy joy joy. And was living underground suppose to be a fantastic way to spend eternity? She left there in the first place! ....GAYNESS. Plus the fact that there was so very little fantasy in the movie. I LOLed @ the blind thing biting fairy heads off though.
The Captain was the main hero of the movie BTW. He was a goddamn man face bashing stud.
Right on all points. Plus I just love the guy's goofy accent.Quote:
Originally Posted by BioMechanic
Indeed, everyone who talked about this movie told me how great it was going to be. What a disappointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brand X
Mog, I think you totally missed the point.
I probably did.Quote:
Originally Posted by BioMechanic
I'm with you. I thought this movie was terrible. You're not the only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilMog
I was impressed with this (it was a masterpiece compared to Devil's Backbone). The ending is open to interpretation Mog; the movie never definitively proclaims that she's not just delusional from the horrors of reality.
Watched it tonight and thought it was excellent. Sad dark fairy tale, which really not not simple as whats was real and what not.
That's really the best part of the movie for me. The fact that the ending is left open to the viewer.
I got the DVD and watched it. I loved the fantasy bits, the toad, the blind thin man and the faun were all great. I just wish there was more.
The build up to the end was intense and great but then I was a bit disappointed that the Captain didn't meet a supernatural fate or something like that. I know the point of the ending is to leave disbelief of the fantasy world but I just felt like the in between parts were pretty good for a civil war type film but the fantasy stuff was top notch and I wish it showed a lot more than it did.
Still a great movie though
Everyone in this movie just did the dumbest of things:
- Ofelia eats the grapes AND ignores those little fairies and opens the little lock thing on the left instead of the right. She deserved having bad shit happen to her after being so stupid.
- Ofelias mom let the Nazi Spanish guy fuck her and get her preggers, then brings her daughter to live with this psychotic guy
- The spy/nanny doesnt kill the Nazi/Spanish captain and instead just decides to cut his face.
- the spy/nannys brother uses the key his sister gave him to get the rations out of the captains hideout effectively blowing her cover. She doesnt even consider this and stays until its WAY too late.
All in all besides those points the movie just turned out a bit disappointing to me...
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Originally Posted by Evilmog
This movie was amazing. The art direction, the music, the tone, everything was perfect and completely lived up to my expectations. Del Toro doesn't pull any punches either: The Captain beat that guy's face in Irreversible style!
As for the ending:
I think it is completely up to the viewer as to whether it was real or not. I also think it depends on what kind of person you are. I think the fantasy was real and only Ophelia could see it because it's always like that in fairy tales; children can see magic. My much more emo friend thought it was all in her head and that she just died in the end. Go figure.
Anyway, this movie has easily made its way into my top ten of all time. Also this image should have totally been the DVD cover:
http://a3.vox.com/6a00c2251ec728604a...012bbe2b-500pi
That was right after the maid told Ophelia (sp?) that when she was a child, she learned to never trust fauns and then the faun told Ophelia to not eat anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
I just watched it, and it was awesome. She died imo.