Guilty Gear XX: Accent Core

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Originally Posted by Dippity-Do

But honestly, I feel A.B.A. is tons better than he is.

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Both A.B.A. and HOS are considered third tier, just to mention.

But yeah, I usually just use Youtube for videos since they tend to have a wide selection of videos demonstrating all sorts of stuff. I honestly don't care too much for just straight combo videos anymore, I much prefer seeing matches because it gives me a better idea of what's viable and how to make it flow. I've really been meaning to find a way to record my matches so I can see where my problems occur.

A.B.A. rockin' out:

Well, I'm certainly not the best GG player, so my character assessments are lacking.

I don't have experience enough with the other characters to say one way or the other. But they feel good enough for second tier.

Eddie destroys everyone as usual.

I've always hated Eddie.

Hmm, I don't see the same problems at all that you guys are having with HOS. I mean, quickenss was actually put down, someone actually wrote that as a reason? Quickness? I can understand not feeling his pokes very well, but he's very fast.

I think A.B.A. is a very good choice for the U.S., most people don't know how to properly fight her, which gives you a good edge. Every group of people has a HOS player, so unless you can bring something new to the table, you will find yourself a bit harder pressed.

I played this game a bit for the first time a week or so ago. It's fun, and very different, which is a plus for me.

I'm a glutton for abuse, I love Chipp and have put more time into him than anyone else by far. It's too bad that he usually goes through the least changes every revision and still has horrid defense.

Meanwhile, Slayer is absolutely ridiculous now, I like him a lot more than before, and back then I even though he was a little too overpowered.

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Originally Posted by Destin

Hmm, I don't see the same problems at all that you guys are having with HOS. I mean, quickenss was actually put down, someone actually wrote that as a reason? Quickness? I can understand not feeling his pokes very well, but he's very fast.

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I found that a little humorous since it was posted after the video I added, but yeah. For me using HOS I usually have the toughest time against anyone that can long-range, usually because my friends will do their best to run away from me if they can fireball the day away. That leaves it up to me to make a path through all the bullshit and get to them, which isn't necessarily difficult as it is more dangerous for me and safe for them.

Testament, Ky and Eddie are my biggest scares. I think Ky will be a lot easier when I get more practice against him, and I'm the only person I know that plays Eddie so he's my biggest weakness right now. Testes gets a lot of playtime here so I can hold my own against him but it's closer than I'd like.

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Originally Posted by TrialSword

I'm a glutton for abuse, I love Chipp and have put more time into him than anyone else by far. It's too bad that he usually goes through the least changes every revision and still has horrid defense.

Meanwhile, Slayer is absolutely ridiculous now, I like him a lot more than before, and back then I even though he was a little too overpowered.

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Watch the videos of course, but what i remeber, was spam the jump D, like super jump and jump D twice, all over the place, all the time. He has some really neat old school and new school mixups, I don't know much of the new stuff, but I'm pretty keen on the old if you want some grandpa play strats.

I don't have any problems with the ky hos matchup. I don't mind blocking a full screen fireball for some charge. Getting in doesn't seem like a problem against ky at least, as long as you move forwards defensively (canceling runs into FD). Really anji used to be the big hos killer, and hes so toned down, and hos toned up, that hos seems relatively good. Maybe I can get a hos specific tier chart.

Bingo, this is hos only. I think it's a few month's old, but probably better than our random speculation. I'll try my best to explain the bad ones at least.

Faust: Well, faust is fairly obvious, in the raw poking game, he beats hos out clean in most situations, for example, none of hos' ground pokes have much of a chance against fausts 5k, 5s, 2h, or 2d. These pokes also don't leave faust at much of a disadvantage if they miss, and are out of Hos' favorable punishing range (His level 2 flame super and fafnir will probably still work). Also bad is fausts 5k hits right in the area of Hos's low jump, which is a primary method of attack and rushdown of the opponent is hesistant. I am not sure how faust's 6P handles hos' jumping, as I don't put myself in that situation much, but I imagine it doesn't work well for hos. On the upside, faust always has had poor startup on even his fastest pokes, so you can play ground based frame traps pretty well on him.

Zappa: This used to be horrible. Hos simply did not have a good way to do damage if he blocked the rings. Does fafnir work if you block the rings? Thats important to note. This alone was enough to stump me in many matches while in japan, because the japanese were able to take free shots at dp, effectively scaring me into doing little, and getting orbs often. Outside of this, zappa is too complex a character to analysize in a forum like this.

Testament: I don't believe this its a poor match, unless he got alot better.

A.B.A.: Many of sol's powerful combos don't end in knockdown, and don't have way's of changing them into knockdown combos. Additionally, HOS lacks a long range move to keep A.B.A. honest on the ground, so she is allowed many relatively safe ground pokes. Even HOS's dp doesn't ground. Finally his mixup is rather weak in terms of how often it hits, even though its damage isn't bad. All this leads to poor meter errosion.


FAVOURABLE MATCHUPS

vs Sol: 5.5 - 4.5
vs Millia: 6.0 - 4.0
vs Chipp: 6.0 - 4.0
vs Jam: 5.5 - 4.5
vs Anji : 6.0 - 4.0
vs Dizzy: 5.5 - 4.5
vs I-No: 6.0 - 4.0
vs Bridget: 5.5 - 4.5
vs Robo-Ky: 5.5 - 4.5

BAD MATCHUPS

vs Faust: 4.5 - 5.5
vs Testament: 4.5 - 5.5
vs Zappa: 4.5 - 5.5
vs A.B.A.: 4.5 - 5.5

All other matchups are considered 5 - 5 (with the mirror matchup excluded).

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Getting in doesn't seem like a problem against ky at least, as long as you move forwards defensively (canceling runs into FD).

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That's what I do, but the slow forward motion plus when I get close the Greed Sever and his low hit mixup tend to box me into pure defensive. Again, this is mostly just an issue of me needing to practice against him to get down the animations for when to launch a counterattack.

Well if you are moving forwards with no guard stun, jumping and FDing is very safe, unless he is a master air-thrower. Just FD a bit on the way up, and you will block and ground move, clear the lows, or block the sever for probable frame advantage (meaning you get the next attack). If he does nothing, then you are coming down on him, and he will probably try and anti air, or a dp. Both of these can be beat with a second jump, straight up, and another tap of FD, then you are landing on him while he is in recovery. Seems like alot of work, but it actually fairly natural after a bit of practice.