Retro games?

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05 Oct 2006, 11:56 AM
Schlep

Retro games?

With all of the retro stuff coming out anymore, are you buying into it?

I've got Street Fighter 2, Doom, and Smash TV on XBLA and would probably have a lot more if it were released. The only thing really nudging me towards getting a Wii is the virtual console, and the Sony announcement about downloadable PS1 games on the PS3 is interesting (although less valuable since everyone will still be able to play PS1 games). Hell, I've even thought about buying that $20 360 controller receiver for the PC when it comes out and trying out Gametap.

Also there's obviously all the anthologies and whatnot that have been coming out for a while, but are really starting to hit hard recently. I'm willing to drop $15 on the Sega Genesis Collection when it comes out just to play Kid Chameleon and Decap Attack.

So are you interested in playing old games all over again?
05 Oct 2006, 12:01 PM
Melf

I don't think I have to answer this question. :p
05 Oct 2006, 12:04 PM
Diff-chan

Hell no. Last retro game I bought was R-Types and have no plans to buy another.
05 Oct 2006, 12:06 PM
kingoffighters

I am interested but at more than $5/game, no thanks. I can pretty much play all the roms I ever need since I built a HTPC and I realize that I much rather play new games than old.

I bought the Capcom Retro collection for the Xbox, which was great in terms of $$/game, but I only played it like 5 times (mostly Forgotten Worlds).
05 Oct 2006, 12:06 PM
raystorm

I'll stick with MAME for my retro arcade needs. I don't buy retro stuff at all unless they are enhanced remakes like xbla or maybe the sega classics collection (most of those remakes were garbage but I bought it for the enhanced Space Harrier and Fantasy Zone..well...FZ was enhanced anyways). I'll buy enhanced remakes..for untouched retro games I'll stick with emulators.
05 Oct 2006, 12:23 PM
Bacon McShig

I like the concept but the execution is usually lacking.
05 Oct 2006, 12:43 PM
K3V

Certain games are worth it to me on XBLA if they have new features (Doom, SF2 for multiplayer for example). Otherwise I'll stick to emulation or digging out the original copies I still have if I want to play old games. I'd prefer to see more original content on XBLA than paying $5 for Pac-Man or Galaga.

If the Wii virtual console doesn't have online multiplayer, achievements, etc I don't really see the benefit other than not having to have multiple consoles hooked up to play the old games. And for me that convenience isn't worth $5/game.
05 Oct 2006, 12:48 PM
StriderKyo

Yes. I love the fact that they're enhancing these games on XBLA with stuff like integrated online high score lists, online play, enhanced resolution, voice chat, new modes, achievements etc. Frankly, I enjoy them more than the original games on that service.

So far this year I've also bought I also bought Capcom Classics Collection Remixed, Valkyrie Profile Lenneth, Legend of Heroes: Tear of Vermillion and Gradius Collection, and I may pick up the Sega collection too.

I've got no problem paying for classic games, especially if they've been respectfully enhanced. I think these things should always be available the same way classic albums are.
05 Oct 2006, 12:51 PM
Zac

If they would release games that are harder to come by Id totally love it (ie Dracula X, Panzer Saga etc..) but instead they seem to give us stuff like Street Fighter 2 or Sonic that I alreaddy have 3 or 4 versions of on multiple systems.
05 Oct 2006, 01:06 PM
StriderKyo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diff-chan

Hell no. Last retro game I bought was R-Types and have no plans to buy another.

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

Here's my list of games-to-get (not at all at once)

Gradius Collection - must. own. gaiden.

Lol busted.
05 Oct 2006, 01:12 PM
Prince Planet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schlep

So are you interested in playing old games all over again?

No.
05 Oct 2006, 01:14 PM
Diff-chan

Quote:

Originally Posted by StriderKyo

Lol busted.

I don't consider Gradius much of a "collection", as it has a game I was simply unable to ever play before.
05 Oct 2006, 01:18 PM
Korly

I'm with K3V and Raystorm on this. I love old games, but unless they add stuff to them (online leaderboards is enough for me, but I'll take whatever) I can just Mame it up.

That's why Virtual Console is gonna suck. You'll be paying inordinate dollars (10 for N64?! WTF?) for ROMS. If I find out that they're adding achievements and online co-op and whatnot, I will change my stance on this.
05 Oct 2006, 01:19 PM
Korly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diff-chan

I don't consider Gradius much of a "collection", as it has a game I was simply unable to ever play before.

The game is called Gradius Collection so I don't care if you consider it a collection. It's right there in the fucking title.
05 Oct 2006, 01:24 PM
Diff-chan

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Originally Posted by Korly

The game is called Gradius Collection so I don't care if you consider it a collection. It's right there in the fucking title.

That is semantics.
05 Oct 2006, 01:27 PM
Korly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diff-chan

That is semantics.

Looks more like specifics to me.
05 Oct 2006, 01:30 PM
Diff-chan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Korly

Looks more like specifics to me.

No, you're just parsing out the title. I mean, I could make a game called "Super Mario Destroyer" but that doesn't mean it's a Mario game at all.
05 Oct 2006, 01:33 PM
Korly

Bottom line: Gradius Collection is a collection of previously released Gradius games. There's no room for discussion here.
05 Oct 2006, 01:34 PM
Diff-chan

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Originally Posted by Korly

Well, if it wasn't, you'd probably be sued. Nintendo takes it trademarks pretty seriously.

Bottom line: Gradius Collection is a collection of previously released Gradius games. There's no room for discussion here.

I don't see it that way. It's Gradius Gaiden, a game I didn't have the chance to play before. All that other stuff is irrelevant.
05 Oct 2006, 01:34 PM
Korly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diff-chan

I could make a game called "Super Mario Destroyer"

I doubt that.
05 Oct 2006, 01:35 PM
Korly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diff-chan

I don't see it that way. It's Gradius Gaiden, a game I didn't have the chance to play before. All that other stuff is irrelevant.

If I only eat the pepperonis on a pizza, that doesn't mean it's not a pizza.
05 Oct 2006, 01:36 PM
Diff-chan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Korly

If I only eat the pepperonis on a pizza, that doesn't mean it's not a pizza.

Gah, I don't know why this is so difficult for you to grasp.
05 Oct 2006, 01:38 PM
Korly

"Gah", I grasp what you're saying. You just aren't right.

You could say "yeah, I guess I am buying another retro game, but it's one I've never played before" and that would be fine. but you're saying "I never played one of those games on this collection of retro games, therefore it's not a collection" and that is a false statement.

"Gah".
05 Oct 2006, 01:39 PM
Diff-chan

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Originally Posted by Korly

"Gah", I grasp what you're saying. You just aren't right.

You could say "yeah, I guess I am buying another retro game, but it's one I've never played before" and that would be fine. but you're saying "I never played one of those games on this collection of retro games, therefore it's not a collection" and that is a false statement.

"Gah".

I don't view it as a collection. If you do, that's your own perogative.

That said, R-Types was the last retro game I have bought and will be the last retro game I will buy for a long time.
05 Oct 2006, 01:41 PM
Shadow Not Shade

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diff-chan

I don't see it that way. It's Gradius Gaiden, a game I didn't have the chance to play before. All that other stuff is irrelevant.

What the fuck?

I've never played Kid Chameleon, but if I bought the upcoming Genesis collection to do so I'd still be playing a retro game on a collection of retro games. Whether or not you've played Gradius Gaiden before is what's irrelevant; it's still an old game.

As for the topic, I have the feeling that I'm going to start buying into retro games in a big way fairly soon. Video games suck now.
05 Oct 2006, 01:50 PM
Diff-chan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Not Shade

What the fuck?

I've never played Kid Chameleon, but if I bought the upcoming Genesis collection to do so I'd still be playing a retro game on a collection of retro games. Whether or not you've played Gradius Gaiden before is what's irrelevant; it's still an old game.

Not really, it came out in June of this year.
05 Oct 2006, 02:14 PM
Shadow Not Shade

The compilation it's on came out in June. The game itself still came out in 1997. Whether anyone's played it before or not.

Unless GameFAQs is just confused. I've never played a Gradius game in my life, so I wouldn't personally have any idea when it came out. :x
05 Oct 2006, 02:17 PM
StriderKyo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diff-chan

I don't see it that way. It's Gradius Gaiden, a game I didn't have the chance to play before. All that other stuff is irrelevant.

You're going to play Gradius II, and you're going to like it.
05 Oct 2006, 02:21 PM
donuts

Personnally I'm not buying into the coming Retro stuff. I mean, I love retro games and I play more retro games than current-gen games, that's a fact. But I do not like those crazy price tags. As Raystorm said, I do not mind to buy well done enhanced remakes, but I won't pay $5/$10 to download a rom on the Virtual Console when I can buy the real game for about the same price, or less.
05 Oct 2006, 02:50 PM
Cowdisease

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Originally Posted by raystorm

I'll stick with MAME for my retro arcade needs. I don't buy retro stuff at all unless they are enhanced remakes like xbla

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I'll buy enhanced remakes..for untouched retro games I'll stick with emulators.

IBTN. Doom XBLA for $10 was totally worth it because playing online co-op with TNL people (sup K3V and Korly) was an awesome experience. If the Virtual Console does not offer online co-op/vs with voice chat in its retro titles (Tetris Attack, it MUST be done), then I'd rather play those games on my Xbox.
05 Oct 2006, 02:56 PM
D_N_G

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Originally Posted by Cowdisease

IBTN. Doom XBLA for $10 was totally worth it because playing online co-op with TNL people (sup K3V and Korly) was an awesome experience. If the Virtual Console does not offer online co-op/vs with voice chat in its retro titles (Tetris Attack, it MUST be done), then I'd rather play those games on my Xbox.

I was soo close to getting Doom, but I had the Xbox Doom 3 LE sitting there, and I played through Ultimate Doom, and then I didnt feel like spending another 10 bucks :wtf:
05 Oct 2006, 02:58 PM
Bacon McShig

Quote:

Originally Posted by donuts

Personnally I'm not buying into the coming Retro stuff. I mean, I love retro games and I play more retro games than current-gen games, that's a fact. But I do not like those crazy price tags. As Raystorm said, I do not mind to buy well done enhanced remakes, but I won't pay $5/$10 to download a rom on the Virtual Console when I can buy the real game for about the same price, or less.

Well, there's give and take. Sure, $8 seems steep for Super Mario World, whose SNES cart you could probably find for $3-5. But then you have rare (or in high demand) games like Earthbound and, potentially, Chrono Trigger or FFIII, copies of which would run you $50-100 now. If those can be purchased for that same $8, that's quite the savings.

And yeah, I know, roms are free, blah blah. Not really the issue here.
05 Oct 2006, 03:14 PM
Saint of Killers

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schlep

So are you interested in playing old games all over again?

No, but I'm interested in playing old games I haven't played. But not for the prices most seem to go for, so I'll just stick to pirating.

Gametap seems like a good deal, though. If Nintendo and Microsoft were to adapt that model for VC and XBLA respectively I'd be willing to shell out cash.
05 Oct 2006, 03:17 PM
George

XBLA games are fun as hell. I look at the value of the game, about five dollars, against how much I'll be playing it on average, and taking advantage of the new features (achievments, leaderboards especially, online multiplay) and usually it more than justifies the cost.
05 Oct 2006, 03:22 PM
StriderKyo

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrialSword

XBLA games are fun as hell. I look at the value of the game, about five dollars, against how much I'll be playing it on average, and taking advantage of the new features (achievments, leaderboards especially, online multiplay) and usually it more than justifies the cost.

It's true. I've spent about 20x more time playing SFII and Galaga than I have Madden 07.
05 Oct 2006, 03:56 PM
dakidski

I'll always buy older games if I haven't played them before. I prefer the physical game on the real hardware any time. Only game I could imagine myself buying is SuperMario 64 as my cousin stole my n64 - Then again - that is if I ever get through the hassle of getting it online.
05 Oct 2006, 03:58 PM
Rem

If they keep adding things like online yes, if not than I don't care. I wont be paying 8-10 for ultra common shit like mario and sonic anyway though.
05 Oct 2006, 04:03 PM
Bacon McShig

Having games just a click away like XBLA is indeed a huge advantage. I sure wouldn't play Geometry Wars much if it was on a disc with loading times, but as an XBLA title I play a game or two almost every time I turn my 360 on. Many retro games would benefit similarly... I've hardly touched my Xbox copy of Taito Legends, but if I could jump right into an XBLA version of Bubble Bobble from the 360 dashboard while I wait for downloads to finish, I'd probably have played a couple hours of that alone. Achievements and scoreboards are even more icing on the cake.
05 Oct 2006, 04:42 PM
Thief Silver

Quote:

Originally Posted by StriderKyo

It's true. I've spent about 20x more time playing SFII and Galaga than I have Madden 07.

That may involve Madden sucking.
kekeke

I'll be buying FFIII DS. Regardless of the fact it has never been released, and will be an updated version, does that keep it Retro? HRM.
05 Oct 2006, 04:46 PM
Joust Williams

Yes I rebuy. I have (I think) 23 of the 30 or so games on XBLA and will likely buy the other few. No need for discs, leaderboards, a nice quick game to play while chatting (you don't really want to chat and play something like SP Splinter Cell for instance)...lots of reasons why Zboz is the best console ever.
05 Oct 2006, 04:47 PM
Thief Silver

Joust.. how.. how can you like anything :( my image of you is ruined :(
05 Oct 2006, 05:11 PM
Nash

I've been buying and will continue to buy retro games, but only the ones I don't already have in one form or another.
05 Oct 2006, 05:12 PM
NeoZeedeater

While most of my gaming money and time are spent on modern games I do buy retro stuff. I think it's a common misconception here that I prefer playing retro games because of the history threads I make. I love every era and keeping up with the now has always been top priority for me. I buy as many modern games as my measly income will allow.

I prefer the real thing to emulation but I still really like compilations. There's something cool about having them in a collection and I enjoy the extras(like the interviews with Space Invaders creator in Taito Legends, for example).

Emulators on PC tend to be superior to ones in console compilations though because of the wider variety of video options, frame rates, save states, etc..

Quote:

Originally Posted by StriderKyo

I think these things should always be available the same way classic albums are.

Agreed. Re-releases are good for music and movie consumers and the same applies to gaming. There's plenty of timeless stuff in each art medium. That's why I like seeing compilations and downloadable games even if they're ones I don't buy. The thought of some ten year old trying out Devil's Crush for the first time on his Wii makes me feel good.
05 Oct 2006, 05:15 PM
frostwolf ex

im going to go pick up the capcom collection 2, it had arcade games that i didnt have time or cash to pay for back when they were in the arcade, especially black tiger. as for virtual console, id probably buy more old, harder to find nes games, like guardian legend, magic of scherezade and faria, if they ever came out, otherwise no big rush for them.
05 Oct 2006, 05:37 PM
Korly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Not Shade

What the fuck?

I've never played Kid Chameleon, but if I bought the upcoming Genesis collection to do so I'd still be playing a retro game on a collection of retro games. Whether or not you've played Gradius Gaiden before is what's irrelevant; it's still an old game.

Exactly.
05 Oct 2006, 06:04 PM
gameoverDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by Korly

I'm with K3V and Raystorm on this. I love old games, but unless they add stuff to them (online leaderboards is enough for me, but I'll take whatever) I can just Mame it up.

That's why Virtual Console is gonna suck. You'll be paying inordinate dollars (10 for N64?! WTF?) for ROMS. If I find out that they're adding achievements and online co-op and whatnot, I will change my stance on this.

Since widescreen and HDTV sets can handle 720p, we need Darius, Darius II, and The Ninja Warriors. 16:9 isn't exactly the same as 12:3, but 864x224 could be vertically tripled to 864x672. While it wouldn't stretch out to the edges of a 1280x720 screen, I'd rather take letterboxing over upscaling in this case. This would be one case where the 360 could totally slaughter MAME as far as widescreen HDTV owners are concerned.

More video options would help the XBLA versions of retro games. Generally, 320x240 games in MAME actually look very good in 1024x768 when you set bitmap prescaling to 4. This is something that XBLA retro games could use, but it eats up a chunk of texture memory. However, 360 should be able to handle this since its 512MB GDDR3 RAM can be shared between the CPU and GPU.
05 Oct 2006, 06:07 PM
kingoffighters

Quote:

Originally Posted by Korly

Exactly.

Diff definitely had gone crazy on us on this issue... Gradius Collection is a collection of old games. Whether you played it or not or whatever has no bearings on what it is.
05 Oct 2006, 06:42 PM
Tain

If I had a 360, I'd probably buy an XBLA game or two, so yeah. I doubt I'd buy anything on VC, though, given how barebones it sounds, and it looks like I could emulate the games better elsewhere. Same case with most retro compilations.
05 Oct 2006, 07:57 PM
Diff-chan

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingoffighters

Diff definitely had gone crazy on us on this issue... Gradius Collection is a collection of old games. Whether you played it or not or whatever has no bearings on what it is.

thats just not true
05 Oct 2006, 08:03 PM
mollipen

As is evident from my XBLA Galaga playing, if you bring in certain new conditions - in this case, a real means of competing in score with friends - that new added element makes a repurchase of certain games totally worth it. Then you have things like XBLA Gauntlet, where I can hop online and always have people to play the game with.

I think it depends on the game, which is obvious. Some games really benefit from newer technologies, and for those games, I'll buy again. Online multiplayer is huge to me if it is a game that stands the test of time. I'd also prefer to have those retro games I really love on a newer console, so that I don't have to keep old consoles around. (For example, I still have my N64 because of two and only two games.)

Sometimes, though, you just buy out of nostalgia, and in those cases, it's pretty pointless. I also, as well, have no interest anymore in retro collections on CD/DVD/whatever. Downloadable retro titles that don't require a physical disc is the only way I want such games at this point.
05 Oct 2006, 08:48 PM
Changeling

I will only re-buy a game if its something I really love or if there are new features such as online play. I don't really care about achievements at all, but I like friends leaderboards.

I am kind of sick of crap early 80's arcade games that are out now. I could care less about Frogger or Scramble or whatever else is out there. Give me late 80's-90's stuff and I'll buy if the options are right. Seeing Doom on arcade was a wonderful suprise, too.A Live-enabled version of Tetris Attack would be the end of me, for sure. Also, GI Joe arcade with co-op would be sweet.

I have all of these games(and mostly everything else) for my PC. I can play most of them online to a degree with friends via Mame 32k or ZSNES, but they are a pain to set up and lag out sometimes. I will gladly pay for convienence if Microsoft brings out the games I want to play.
05 Oct 2006, 09:56 PM
Mykozo

Quote:

Originally Posted by StriderKyo

It's true. I've spent about 20x more time playing SFII and Galaga than I have Madden 07.

Me and Josh rocked a marathon session of SF2 Turbo Championship the other night. Not quite CVS2 but still rad. 360 controllers suck for this btw.
05 Oct 2006, 10:05 PM
Melf

Quote:

Originally Posted by shidoshi

Then you have things like XBLA Gauntlet, where I can hop online and always have people to play the game with.

Then let's hop on sometime this weekend and play. I still have those co-op achievements to get!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clownporn

Me and Josh rocked a marathon session of SF2 Turbo Championship the other night. Not quite CVS2 but still rad. 360 controllers suck for this btw.

Oh, how IAWTP.
05 Oct 2006, 10:45 PM
bVork

Since I'm a completely obsessive collector of just about every system under the planet, I tend to avoid buying retro compilations or re-releases. Why bother buying any nes re-releases on gba or the upcoming virtual console if I already own or plan on buying the original release?

There are two exceptions to this, though:

XBLA. I think the achievements and the leaderboards are more than worth the generally paltry amount that the games cost.

Arcade games that never really had a good home port. MAME is excellent and all, but I really like owning a physical copy of a game.
05 Oct 2006, 10:58 PM
RoleTroll

In Diff's defense, the subtitle is "are you rebuying?" If he never played the game before and never bought it before, then he's not rebuying.
06 Oct 2006, 02:02 AM
Rumpy

Come to think of it, I'd buy a Tetris on XBLA with all the trimmings the second it was uploaded to us.
09 Oct 2006, 01:32 AM
Agent X

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schlep

So are you interested in playing old games all over again?

Sure. I'm very much a fan of the classics! I've bought plenty of the classic game compilations over the years--some for multiple platforms, even.

Right now, I'm focusing on getting a lot of the classic packs on PSP, as a lot of the older games (particularly late 1970s to mid 1980s) lend themselves nicely to "pick up and play" portable entertainment. So far this year, I've purchased Midway Arcade Treasures: Extended Play, Capcom Classics Collection Remixed, and Gradius Collection. I also got Namco Museum Battle Collection when it came out last year (and Pinball Hall of Fame, if you want to include pinball). In the next few weeks, Capcom Classics Collection Reloaded, Activision Hits Remixed, EA Replay, Sega Genesis Collection, and Metal Slug Anthology will all be released for PSP; I'm looking forward to getting these as well.

Other than that, I'll usually buy a classic game compilation if it offers games that I like but haven't played in many years, or I've never played but were interested in trying, or (in the case of games I own) aren't ported or emulated very well already.

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