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willing to fight, kill, and die for our nation means more than going to war and killing other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
sometimes it means standing by your ideals, even it kills you and other Americans.
If the US can not survive by sticking to its guns, then it needs to fall. Mutating into something different for the sake of survival is not acceptable. We are not a nation of animals. We are men.
Goddammit, now I want to listen to Talking Heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
The fact that so many Americans are even considering this as a valid option makes me ill. I must congratulate Bin Laden on finally figuring out how to kill the American Dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Before anymore poo-throwing commences remember this:
Islamic terrorists are not above torture, beheading, disembowling, rape, etc. Regardless of your views on how the USA handles them, don't pretend radical Islam is some kind of peace-loving victim here.
This debate should be about INNOCENTS who get caught up in this whole thing.
So your argument is two wrongs make a right?
They're fundamentally the same thing as without any oversight or detailed and transparent process to determine who is who, you can't make the assumption that everyone who gets tortured is actually "deserving" of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
Furthermore, on a purely moral level, you have to wonder why it's okay for us to do it if we use it as justification for calling terrorists morally inferior to us. "They're bad for doing this, so let's do it" makes no logical sense to me, especially when the thing in question offers absolutely no tangible benefits and has plenty of downfalls.
Basically, there are several reasons not to use torture, but I've yet to see a valid reason why it should be used (aside from a nebulous "we should use it if it'll save American lives" which doesn't actually detail how, exactly, it would do this).
Yes, you're absolutely right! They act inhumanely, so we should to! It all makes so much sense! The best way to show how your society is superior is to stoop to the lowest level of your enemy's!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
When did I say inhumane actions were justified? Why are you so sympathetic to "the enemy" anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Because I'm an American who believes in the rights that are inalienable to man. What's your excuse?
Before you "strawman" me again, let me say that I am opposed to torture by anyone on anyone. So don't put words into my mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
That said, you repeatedly come off as if you see nothing wrong with Islamic Terrorism- thats why you piss people off.