US and Britain call on the axis of evil

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

Here's the BBC presenting a supposedly balanced debate, for and against Hezbollah: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5219680.stm

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Incorrect. They just asked two people to give their opinion. There's no balanced debate there, just trying to show two sides of the story. Two contrasting opinions yeah that's definitely defending the terrorists.

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Story in which they admit to pushing a small boy next to an undetonated Israeli bomb for a photo-op: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5270118.stm

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Sounds like a stupid thing to do to me, yes. But how is it that they are being anti-semitic and/or defending terrorists when they report on the atrocities that Israel has committed?

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Fayad Abu Shamala, the BBC correspondent in Gaza for the past 10 years, speaking at a Hamas rally on May 6, 2001:

"Journalists and media organizations are waging the campaign shoulder-to-shoulder together with the Palestinian people."

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So they're on the Palestinian side of the conflict, like much of Europe is, and just like the US is on the Israeli side. How is that defending terrorists or being anti-semitic? They didn't say they're standing shoulder to shoulder with the terrorists, but that they're standing with the Palestine people.

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Editorial from the U.K. Telegraph (obviously not evidence in and of itself as it's an opinion piece, but it certainly contains evidence): http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...ixopinion.html

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A load of obnoxious opinion, but that article just comes down to arguing that the BBC has a leftist leaning... that's like stating Fox has a rightist leaning... big freaking surprise. Plus most of it's about BBC TV programming, not news. Still no proof of your statements.

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Then there's Barbara Plett crying over the death of Yassir Arafat live on the BBC. Should I keep going?

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Sorry, I don't know anything about that so I'm going to need more info.


So far you've shown nothing that proves this pro-islamofacist, anti-semitic, defense of terrorists thing.

Personally, I think Israel is just as fucked as Palestine.

OMGZ!! icarus is teh antisemiticaidsfuck!

You don't see a bias in trying to take staged photos to make Israel look bad? You don't see the dishonesty in presenting a debate "for and against hezbollah" using two fiercely anti-Israel, anti-Western zealots? You don't see a BBC correspondent speaking at pro-Hezbollah rallies as troubling? Or a BBC reporter crying over the death of Arafat? Come on dude, stop spinning.

If anything happens in the middle east, it can be attributed as pro-Israel or anti-semitic. Anything.

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

You don't see a bias in trying to take staged photos to make Israel look bad? You don't see the dishonesty in presenting a debate "for and against hezbollah" using two fiercely anti-Israel, anti-Western zealots? You don't see a BBC correspondent speaking at pro-Hezbollah rallies as troubling? Or a BBC reporter crying over the death of Arafat? Come on dude, stop spinning.

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To answer your questions one by one.

1. Staged photos? Ok, so they had a kid stand by the bomb. That doesn't change the fact that THE BOMB WAS IN THE FUCKING HOUSE!!! Christ almighty, I think that alone makes Israel look pretty fucking bad.

2. It's not a debate "for and against hezbollah" read the freaking title. It's Voices from the Middle East. Getting examples of what some Arabs think. And here's the thing, 99.99 percent of the people you talk to in the Middle East are anti-Israel, so surprise surprise those people are. Neither of those two come off as Zealots to me, they both have opinions that are pretty common in the Middle East, which is a problem yes, a serious one, but when reporting you need to report the truth so people find out what other peoples think.

3. Now you're not sure what you're talking about. Was he at a Hezbollah rally? Or a Hamas one? Or did he even actually say what you claim? Did he even actually speak? You didn't source this, and now you're contradicting yourself.

4. Once again, I know nothing about this. Please send me links to get more information.

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Originally Posted by bbobb

1. Staged photos? Ok, so they had a kid stand by the bomb. That doesn't change the fact that THE BOMB WAS IN THE FUCKING HOUSE!!! Christ almighty, I think that alone makes Israel look pretty fucking bad.

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They were responding to rockets being fired at civilian Israeli targets; do you not understand war? Certainly Israel fought an ugly war with Hezbollah but regardless, my point still stands that the BBC prodded the kid to stand near the bomb because they wanted to dishonestly portray Israel as targeting children. I didn't cite the example to defend Israel, obviously.

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Originally Posted by bbobb

2. It's not a debate "for and against hezbollah" read the freaking title. It's Voices from the Middle East.

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Read the freaking subtitle, which says "A Syrian who supports Hezbollah, and an Iranian who does not, discuss the group's role in the conflict."

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Originally Posted by bbobb

3. Now you're not sure what you're talking about. Was he at a Hezbollah rally? Or a Hamas one? Or did he even actually say what you claim? Did he even actually speak? You didn't source this, and now you're contradicting yourself.

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I apologize for the typo, he was at a Hamas rally (as I originally said). Here's a source, which also mentions a bunch of other examples of pro-terrorist BBC bullshit while trying to defend the BBC: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...174641,00.html

Noteworthy pro-terrorist BBC bullshit from the article:


There was the hagiographic send-off for Yassir Arafat by a BBC reporter with tears in her eyes and that half-hour profile of Arafat in 2002 which called him a “hero” and “an icon” and concluded that the corrupt old brute was “the stuff of legends”.

There was Orla Guerin’s unforgettably inventive spin on the story of a Palestinian child being deployed as a suicide bomber, which most journalists saw as a sickening example of child abuse in the pursuit of terrorism. Guerin had it as “Israel’s cynical manipulation of a Palestinian youngster for propaganda purposes”.

There was the disturbing case of Fayad Abu Shamala, the BBC Arabic Service correspondent, who addressed a Hamas rally on May 6, 2001, and was recorded declaring that journalists in Gaza, apparently including the BBC, were “waging the campaign shoulder to shoulder together with the Palestinian people”. Pressed for an explanation, the subsequent BBC statement said: “Fayad’s remarks were made in a private capacity. His reports have always matched the best standards of balance required by the BBC.”

There was the extraordinarily naive coverage of the London visit of Sheikh Abdur-Rahman al-Sudais, the predominant imam of Mecca, to open London’s largest new mosque. He was described as a widely respected religious figure who works for “community cohesion”, and a video on the BBC website was captioned “The BBC’s Mark Easton: ‘Events like today offer grounds for optimism’.” The BBC must have missed his sermon of February 1, 2004, that said “the Jews of yesterday are the evil fathers of the Jews of today, who are evil offspring, infidels . . . calf-worshippers, prophet-murderers, prophecy-deniers . . . the scum of the human race whom Allah cursed and turned into apes and pigs . . . These are the Jews, a continuous lineage of meanness, cunning, obstinacy, tyranny, licentiousness, evil, and corruption . . .”

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

Read the freaking subtitle, which says "A Syrian who supports Hezbollah, and an Iranian who does not, discuss the group's role in the conflict."

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And here you go again. See that word discuss? there's no debate. There's no trying to cover all the sides of the issue. That article was just to give two examples of what some people in the middle east think about Hezbollah. They do man on the street stories in the US news too where they give examples of people who think somewhat different things and what they say about some major news story. They don't pretend to be siding with them, just showing a more common mans view, which is exactly what this article is.

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

my point still stands that the BBC prodded the kid to stand near the bomb because they wanted to dishonestly portray Israel as targeting children. I didn't cite the example to defend Israel, obviously.

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If they were trying to be misleading they wouldn't have said directly in the article that they had the kid go stand by the bomb. I think the real reason was probably to help show the scale of the size of the bomb.

And yes, BBC is pro Palestine. I don't call that Anti-Semitic or Pro-Terrorist. That issue is argueable on both sides, Israel has commited just as many atrocities as the Palestinians have. Once again a debate better left for another thread though.

1. The enemy of your enemy is your friend, until they become your enemy and then your enemy is your friend because it is the enemy of your enemy.
2. War.
3. Profit.

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Originally Posted by bbobb

If they were trying to be misleading they wouldn't have said directly in the article that they had the kid go stand by the bomb. I think the real reason was probably to help show the scale of the size of the bomb.

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They didn't say they put the kid next to the bomb in the photo credit, only in that article I cited. As for your "scale of the size of the bomb" theory, stop embarassing yourself. The BBC is pro-terrorist and anti-Jew (as the mountain of examples I've provided demonstrates), move on.

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Originally Posted by bbobb

And yes, BBC is pro Palestine. I don't call that Anti-Semitic or Pro-Terrorist. That issue is argueable on both sides, Israel has commited just as many atrocities as the Palestinians have. Once again a debate better left for another thread though.

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They're also pro-Yassir Arafat and pro-Abdur-Rahman al-Sudais and pro-Hamas and pro-Hezbollah and anti-Jew. Israel does not wage a coward's war against Palestine by strapping on bombs and blowing up school buses full of children. Israel defends itself from a bunch of radicalized peasants that are hellbent on driving them into the ocean so they can fuck 72 virgins on a pile of money. Israel makes ugly mistakes in defending itself sometimes, but to compare the atrocities of the PLA and other Palestinian terror groups to Israel is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.