Next Gen War

I will leave with this Pavlovian analogy:

I present food. Dog salivates. I present food while ringing a bell. Dog salivates. I ring a bell. Dog salivates and food comes. I ring it again. Dog salivates. No food comes. Soon, dog stops buying this bull.

Nintendo presents games. People salivate. They do it again. People salivate again. They come out with crap. People salivate. They come out with crap again. People still salivate. They do it again! People are still salivating!



Dogs are smarter than Nintendo fans.

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Originally Posted by burgundy

To sum up:

Yoshi: Games better on PS3
Burg: Zelda 2nd best game ever so try again
You: I DON'T READ QUOTE BOXES AND GENERALLY FAIL TO COMPREHEND THE FLOW OF AN ARGUMENT

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Yell whatever you like, but Zelda wouldn't have been enough to beat the ps3 at launch if they didn't totally fuck the launch numbers. Even for 600 I have no doubts the ps3 would have won. But things stand as they are, and at the moment look dire for sony. Not that it matters but I was aware of what you were arguing about, I was just breaking off from it.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

Every console manufacturer does what Joust said. That the Wii sells for a profit right off the bat is an exception, the first in a very long time.

So really it would be taking financial strategy advice from the other huge companies.

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But uh... don't the others have like 5 different divisions making other stuff that makes money hand over fist. WTF does nintendo got? Games and Love hotels? Thay have to make a profit or else their shareholders will leave.

Joust, you have never owned a dog. If a dog (or any domestic animal in that maner) is trained in that sort of way then a ringing bell will remind them of food for years, if not their entire lifetime.

My mom adopted a dog that stayed in a pound for about 3 years. That dog reacted to bells as food becuease her previous master trained her that way. She hadn't lived with her previous owner for 3years. Dogs don't forget shit. That is a retarded analogy.

and how is the highest rated game of the year, 2nd highest rated game off all time crap?

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Originally Posted by I LOVE PLAYSTATION THREE

I will leave

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Originally Posted by Sega saturn x

That really doesn't matter, one game could not have challenged sony if the ps3 was cheaper. The system could have launched without a controller and beat the wii had it cost 400$, and they had the launch units.

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Exactly. I wish I could have seen burg discuss the merits of the PS2 at launch as it sold a bazillion units with no games.

Didn't MGS2 come out quickly after the launch?

It was about a month later, and that still qualifies as no games. I'm not a Zelda fan, but it crushes MGS, especially 2.

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Originally Posted by burgundy

Except Nintendo has been making consoles for a lot longer than Sony, MS and Joust put together, and to my knowledge have never take a loss on a console, or if it has, not a substantial loss.

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What my comment was referring to was the stupidity of icarusfall saying Joust's remark was the dumbest thing in this thread when it's a proven strategy that's worked for a number of consoles. It's not like this something new or that MS pioneered.

Personally, I would love it if the Wii could produce better graphics for the same price. Is there anyone that would really be against that? The lower production costs for developers are nice and all but if some of them wanted to push the system further I can't really say I'd be crying.

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Originally Posted by avatar

But uh... don't the others have like 5 different divisions making other stuff that makes money hand over fist. WTF does nintendo got? Games and Love hotels? Thay have to make a profit or else their shareholders will leave.

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The games divisions are seperate, they have to profit according to their business models or else the rest of the company will shut them down for the same reason.

And almost all of Nintendo's profit these days is from their handhelds, not their consoles.

I wasn't saying it isn't a strategy that has worked for Sony and MS. I was saying it isn't the way Nintendo has ever done anything. Why would anyone want to take a loss on something if they don't have to?

Just for clarification, I don't have a Wii or think it looks terribly attractive, but I see the appeal for other people.