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Their press conference at E3 '04 was all about how it was the "third pillar" in the Nintendo lineup. I was pretty amazed when I saw it at their conference, but then I saw the PSP and thought that was infinitely cooler. Too bad there's very few good games for either of them.
Yoshi would agree with this: Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaekwondoNJ
Somebody doesn't give a shit about Trauma Center, great that it's fun for you however. I don't want anyone to NOT enjoy thier Wii or PS3, I just don't think the systems are all that yet. BUT I'M NOT HERE TO SAY THAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
I want to know how the virtual arcade thing is and how well it works with the Wiimote.
also: Joust is just doing in Wii threads what omfgninjas did in every Nintendo thread, saying virtually the same shit too.
It'd be great if everyone set Zboz Wiiliams to ignore like I did. :(
"Super Mario Sunshine is probably the best example, because its Mario, Nintendo's flagship series. But you don't see people running around praising the game for its amazing innovation and gameplay JUST because its a Mario game, do you?"
Go check Gamerankings. All of these games (or most anyway, I didn't even read the list carefully) have absurdly huge ass scores for no reason. So yes, if it was any other developer (or let's just safely say "almost any other developer"), they would get much less.
Do you want me to honestly believe that a game that could have easily been done on the Cube should get a 9.6 average on a system that came out 5 years later? Hell no. It's muddy ass textures, shit dialogue, a dorky UI...it's just bigger than OoT. Well that's amazing. If it was called something else and developed by some hated or no-name developer, people would have LOLed at it like I did after 10 minutes (actually in minute one, when I saw a scene that was straight out of Shadow of the Colossus, complete with the same crap texture seams/shimmer on the bridge). I mean, if it was EA, people would have said, "LAWL 10 years later!" And...rightfully so.
And that's why I bought it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schlep
Sold!Quote:
Originally Posted by I LOVE PLAYSTATION THREE
Didn't Sunshine sell really well right at release?
As it should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Games stopped needing more powerful hardware to be "more fun" years ago. DS=powerful enough, online, cheap, and small with several interface options.
No reason it shouldn't be stomping everything else.
Except for the part that it has no games
But we have already established that Japan sucks and you're blind.
Yes, GRAW, followed closely thereafter by Oblivion. It was simply a timing issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash
That is retarded because if they continue to loose money then there is no point in them making systems any more and eventually the share holders will make them stop. Seriously are you retarded, just answer that honestly, because if you like a company and the things they do you should want them to make money because if they don't eventually they'll stop doing what you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by I LOVE PLAYSTATION THREE
http://www.betanews.com/article/Play...old/1163688668Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
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With component costs having depreciated over one year's time, and the cost of factory retooling and improvements no longer a major factor, Microsoft spends only $323.30 per unit. After margins are accounted for, Microsoft likely earns a modest profit per unit sold today.
That's making a small amount of money on each console sold now, that still isnt turned a profit for the project overall, before that happens they have to make up the billions they've all ready lost on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
I'm sure at the end of the Xbox's like they had to be making something on the 150 they sold it for, it still wasn't enough to take their game division and the overall Xbox project into the black.
It's pretty sweet. One cool thing is you can exit at any time and it does like an insta-save so the next time you go back in you're right where you left. I haven't tried a game with its own save system so I don't know if you can also save that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tracer
I like how once you buy it it pops up in your channels.
You can head back to the wii main menu at any time with the home key. (that's when it saves your spot for you.) You can transfer your saves around. Controller works well. Haven't tried the classic yet.
The only thing I'm sad about is once you start a Gamecube game your wiimote turns off (which is GOOD since it saves batteries. It also turns off if it is idle for about 5 minutes or so) but you can't reset or turn off the Wii with the wiimote once you're in a GC game. I had my wavebird and tv remote and wiimote and was hoping to keep the entire affair on the couch.
The best thing about the wii, really, is how comfortable it is to play. I played bonk for about a half an hour and had to put both hands together again. I cannot overstate the comfort of being able to keep both of your hands pretty much where you want.
I think I'm more embarrassed at how people still use Gamerankings as a defense.
Sunk cost in establishing a brand. I don't think they intend to make up the money lost on Xbox since that was what they chose to do to establish a brand. They do intend to make up money lost on Xbox 360 however, which is entirely likely. Now they have a new business, an established product line, an established service and all of them stand to start generating revenue. What price do you put on brand recognition and consumer confidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
Not to mention Sony's legs are a little bit wobbly from all of the embarrassments to their brand over the past year and a half. 360 already has 8 million consoles sold. That's almost half of what the original Xbox did, isn't it?
I'm personally more loyal to the Xbox because it's given us a really easy to use machine with an awesome online component. The games appeal to me a little more. If PS3 folded the only thing I'd be pissed about is losing the Shadow of the Colossus team, because that game was the shit.
I also hate the cocky attitude Sony blasts its fans with so often.
I really hate this, too. But Sony isn't stupid, and that attitude is probably calculated. They may have found that it impresses more people than it annoys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
(Pst. Don't believe that site's numbers. 360 has sold maybe 5 million worldwide at this point. I doubt Sony's numbers are actually that low, though they probably aren't a whole lot better. And Nintendo's numbers should be wayyyyyy above .5 million.)
Nintendo still impresses me. I remembered reading years ago how just the US branch had several BILLION in the bank (and this was way before the GB went gangbusters).
"Recent financial figures released by Kyoto's most successful hanafuda manufacturer explain just how sickeningly rich the company is. NCL's total net assets as of September 30th, 2006 stand at US$10.86 billion. Do you know how many Rares you could buy for that? Too many!
Nintendo's net sales (nothing to do with this here internet) for this fiscal year, which ends on March 31st, 2007, are forecast to be US$6.378 billion, while net profits (after the taxmen have taken their pieces of the sumptuous pie) for this financial year are expected to total US$862 million. That's quite a lot of money.
According to a statement released by Nintendo of Japan's accountants, which we've partially emboldened for scary effect: "
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/24/ho...lue-very-much/
Did that site's Wii count just drop a good 200k?
That site sucks.
I can honestly say that MS has won my heart as my favorite system this gen. If it wasn't for xbox live on the original xbox, I wouldn't have cared as much for the 360, but with GRAW, SC, GoW and more, I could care less what Sony has coming down their pipe line. Nintendo has some interesting stuff coming out, but nothing that compares to the 360 to me personaly, but they still have games that interest me a lot more than what the PS3 has to offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tracer
Yet MS is the one that seems to be doing everything right. Great games, incredible, easy to use, and functioning online service, plenty of unforced options to up the price, and they aren't cocku jack asses. MS pretty much does what they are say they are going to do, and when things don't work out, they apologize. I LOL at Sony when they promise something and when they discard go "too bad, we are still going to charge you out of your ass".Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
I greatly agree with this statement. GRAW wowed the shit out me the first time I played it, and I still think it looks great when I play it today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash
This just shows the stupidity of many people out there. I just don't see why anyone would buy a PS3 at launch for $600. As far as I know, Resistance is the only game worth owning for it, and its not as good as GoW. Nothing fantastic is coming out till March or April, and even then, MS has some great looking game coming out at around the same time on a cheaper system, and guess what, they will look almost as good or just the same, but MS will have the better online service. I can see myself one day getting a PS3, and part of me wants one just to have the latest new tech toy, but nothing in the near future has me excited.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sega saturn x
I agree, but you really can never predict just how dumb people are.Quote:
This just shows the stupidity of many people out there. I just don't see why anyone would buy a PS3 at launch for $600. As far as I know, Resistance is the only game worth owning for it, and its not as good as GoW. Nothing fantastic is coming out till March or April, and even then, MS has some great looking game coming out at around the same time on a cheaper system, and guess what, they will look almost as good or just the same, but MS will have the better online service. I can see myself one day getting a PS3, and part of me wants one just to have the latest new tech toy, but nothing in the near future has me excited.
Case in point: Joust thinks Bill Gates is losing money on Xbox as a philanthropic service to "gamers".Quote:
Originally Posted by Sega saturn x
As opposed to multiple companies having the most units out at launch?Quote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiMoogle
Seriously though, if Sony matched Wii shipments unit-for-unit there would either be PS3's languishing on store shelves or PS3's languishing on Ebay (this is more likely). Sony's actually being intelligent by shipping so few PS3's; they don't want to draw attention to the fact that mainstream gamers aren't spending $600 for a videogame system. In any sensible gamer's eyes Sony has no right to charge that for their system, not when Xbox360 is such a superior product for $200 less.
You're right that these numbers don't mean shit, because some guy is just making them up.
Only the fanboys will be paying $600 for a system that's soon to be dead in the water. Sony themselves stated they will start breaking even in two years when the cost of manufacturing finally comes down, but that will probably be extended thanks to everyone buying software at a 0-1 ratio.
Yes, in two years it will only cost $600 to make a PS3 (it costs about $879 now). If Sony's admitting that they'll still be charging $600 per system for holiday 2008 then they might as well pack up the tent now. Xbox 360 Premium will be $249 by then and Xbox3 will be a year away (If MS sticks to the 4 year lifecycle model).Quote:
Originally Posted by voltz
I think 360 is making a profit now from what I heard.
They are, I think they make 70$ on every system now.Quote:
Originally Posted by voltz
They break even on the premium bundle now, they still lose money on the core.
lol @ people who buy Core units.
I thought M$ had a new HD coming out.
Just a rumor. A very strong one, but still a rumor as of right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by voltz
Let's not be fools about the subject. The PS3 would have sold like hotcakes at $600 on launch if the units were available. If any happen to pop-up in stores between now and Christmas, they'll fly off the shelves faster than a rabbit gets fucked. At $600. Thinking otherwise is borderline delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
Yes it did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detour
Yes it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detour
Any system is going to sell out at launch if units are there it'll sell. What happens after launch is what is important. All though if Sony can't get their manufacturing shit together they may end up handing the market over to their competition. I have to wonder how long 3rd parties are going to wait on Sony to get a decent amount of units into consumers hands. If these production problems continue to persist I have to imagine a lot of 3rd parties are going to be looking to the Wii and 360.
If you think their numbers are wrong, where is your research to prove otherwise?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
For 360, actual sold numbers from Japan + Europe + America totalled under 5 million as of the end of October (numbers from organizations such as Media Create and the NPD)--no way there's another 2.5 million from the rest of the world. For PS3, Sony sold at least 80,000 in Japan (I believe they're up to about 130,000 now), and aimed to ship 400,000 to the US--those all sold out, of course, though I suspect there were fewer than 400,000 (maybe 250-300,000, based on EB/GameStop's presale cuts and the less-than-expected launch numbers in Japan). Nintendo said they'd have one million Wiis at launch and most reports suggest they had more--especially as they aim to have four million out by the end of 2006.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nei
There was no way in hell there were 300,000 PS3's for US launch. And wasn't Sony saying they were going to have additional units for Black Friday? Didn't this supposed re-launch never occur?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
Be realistic; if PS3's were readily available there would be no secondary market for them (thus eliminating all the people buying them just to sell them). You really think two million people would line up on launch day to buy PS3's for $600 in this country if there was no resell value and no fear of not being able to find one? If the PS3 is so successful, why are software sales at a record low for a major system launch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
Besides, it's irrelevant because as John pointed out it's the year following launch that matters. N64 and Cube had insanely successful launches, but lack of software in the first year doomed them to last place for the rest of their cycles.
A report I read yesterday estimated that about 130,000 PS3's have shipped to North America so far.
2 million people lined up? Probably not, but the PS3 would still be selling at an impressive clip, perhaps dwarfing the sales figures the 360 and Wii garnered during their launches. Your previous post about the PS3 launch painted a similar picture to the 360's languishing on the shelves in Japan, and that just wouldn't have been the case, even at $600.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
One reason may be that most people who wanted a PS3 weren't able to get one. The PS3 has sold out everywhere, but the size of the user base isn't there yet to generate the kind of software sales like the Wii, 360, and the major past-gen consoles were able to enjoy at launch.Quote:
If the PS3 is so successful, why are software sales at a record low for a major system launch?
Also, I would think consumers would be less inclined to make whimsical launch title purchases after shelling out $600+ versus $250+ for the Wii and $400+ for the 360. Consumers generally set a cap amount of what they're willing to spend on leisure and entertainment, especially during a time of rising fuel and heating costs (though these have somewhat settled), a declining housing market, and higher interest rates. The PS3 itself takes up significantly more of that cap than the Wii or 360, leaving less dollars to buy games. Personally, I'd be more inclined to buy a game at launch that I normally wouldn't, like Trauma Center, if I only spent $250 versus $600 for the hardware.
Finally, it didn't seem like PS3 bundles were forced onto consumers like they were during the last gen launch. I could be wrong on this one as I wasn't really paying attention to what retailers like EB Games and Gamestop were offering.
The Costco near me has had 6 PS3's in it for the last two days that they can't unload. Everyone who comes in looking for a Wii is told about the PS3's but nobody's taking them. Not that one store is really indicative of how successful a launch is, but Sony made some big mistakes this time around and it will more than likely cost them market share to Xbox 360 (or Wii, but we'll see).
I think Sony will still dominate. I'd be gladly surprised to see the 360 owning the PS3 but I'm not holding my breath.
The positive word of mouth from Nintendo's new system is really selling the system. As a multiplayer system it blows the roof off of the Xbox 360 and the PS3. I'm glad I have a 360 for games like Halo and Gears of War. The Wii works so well because it's a good alternative to what's being served by the other parties.
Exactly. As I said before, Nintendo is running a different race. They're not in this next-gen war like MS and Sony are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Wow!Quote:
The Costco near me has had 6 PS3's in it for the last two days that they can't unload.
Wow! I would have never figured that out! Nintendo's only been saying that since the day they hinted at a new consoleQuote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
Shut up avatar.
I think it's laughable that people still believe Sony's gonna dominate jack crap in this country with a $500+ price tag up against a $300 360 and a $250 Wii. Sony priced themselves out of competition here, and unless they can change that, they're in Saturn/3DO land.
The Ajax one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Are they 20 gigs? I had a hard time getting rid of those too.
Yeah but in Japan the PS3 is seeing a tie ratio of less than 1, we're talking a tie ratio of like .7. Which means everyone buying a system isn't buying a game for it. I think in the US the tie is something like 1.5 or maybe less, so when you combine Japan and the US the tie is barely 1. I think that's pretty bad. I don't know what is up with Japan, that tie ratio there is really bad. In the US I can give you that after spending 600 bucks on the system plus money on component or HDMI cables people are less likely to buy multiple games. For Japan though I just don't know what to say about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
I do agree that no matter what, any of the major systems would sell out at launch that is pretty much a given, even if Sony had a million at launch it would have still sold out.
I don't think they will. I think in Japan they've pretty much handed the market to Nintendo. As far as the US I think it's still a toss up with either Nintendo or Microsoft taking the lead in sales. Europe I have no fucking clue, never been able to predict how they'll swing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
I just have a hard time seeing Sony dominate this time around. I think Blu-Ray is to Sony what Carts where to Nintendo with the N64 and I think it's going to cost them their market leadership. They've just made so many mistakes and have been so arrogant this time around. I think they would be in a much better position if they had released the PS3 with out Blu-Ray, I bet they would have been easily 200 - 300 dollars cheaper then, and they would have launched with a decent amount. Since the big problem they're having getting units available seems to be problems with the Blu-Ray diode, since it's just not at a mass market production level yet and they aren't getting good yields. I think Sony has placed far too many eggs in the Blu-Ray basket and it's going to come back and bite them BIG TIME in the ass in the coming years.
Yeah I know, there's no way 200,000 people came to their senses and realized the whole thing was based on a gimmick and took them back. I just don't have that kind of faith in humanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detour
$600 for a videogame system is a whimsical launch purchase in and of itself. I highly doubt that most gamers have a budget cap of exactly $600, preventing them from buying any games with their PS3's. Why would a budget conscious gamer buy a $600 PS3 when there's already a $400 Xbox360 and a $250 Wii available? He wouldn't; the reason PS3 games aren't selling is because gamers aren't buying PS3's, resellers are. If someone's willing to drop over half a grand on a videogame console, what's another $50 to actually have something to play on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
Sony has applied their bully method of forcing their proprietary media formats down throats to their videogame division. The result is the languishing of their videogame division, just like every other division they've tried this with. PSP memory stick duo and UMD's? PSP is getting trounced and you can't give away UMD movies. PS3 Bluray? PS3 will be Sony's Saturn. The parallels are eerie; unreasonable price, horrible tie-in ratio, 7 processors working in tandem....
The N64's analog stick was called a gimmick too.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
If the PS3 is Sony's Saturn, then it's library will completely demolish Nintendo's contemporary, so I might buy that argument somewhat.
That's really like night and day, people bitched about the analog stick being uncomfortable to be sure. But I don't recall the word gimmick coming up much since for 3-d games it really was better. This was obvious as soon as you started playing a 3-d game, the wii however has not proved itself. And the advantage (if there is one) hasn't shown itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
This needed emphasis, lololQuote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Some are 60 too. Yeah, the one in Ajax. I would say Pickering but Pickering sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisco Bold
A really really fucking fun gimmick.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I think it's way too early to say anything like this in certain terms. I think the Playstation brand name has a lot more recognition with moms and kids right now (in America too) than you're giving them credit for. The problem I see is a whole slew of worthwhile 360 games this year and not many PS3 ones coming until probably Christmas (like the first year of the PS2), which means a lot of good positive word of mouth about the new 360 games while PS3ers are grinding their teeth (and maybe jumping ship).Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
There were plenty of people calling the analog stick a gimmick before they used it though, just like people are calling the Wiimote a gimmick before using it. Wii Bowling proves the utility of the Wiimote and demonstrates it's advantages regarding gameplay, and that's just the pack-in game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sega saturn x
I'd like a Wii darts game. Complete with people on the sides you can hit if you so desire.
I dunno about victims on the sides, but Wii Play (coming in January) has darts I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
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Originally Posted by Andrew
I would have to agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
What happened to the anti-Ajax pro-Pickering agenda we usually banter back and forth with? It's no fun if there's no banter.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
- Ajax doesn't have a mall
- You can drive through Ajax in five minutes
- The urban population of Ajax consists of wiggers bouncing around in low-riding Tauruses listening to Paul Wall's 'Sideways.'
- Ajax smells of doo-doo and sea water
- The history section in the Durham Centre's Chapters is lacking
- Ajax doesn't a power plant... I guess that's a good thing. Whoops.
- Tibor from Costco is rude.
I consider this a good thing. Pickering is the only town who has a large two story mall that was obsolete before construction was complete (Hey-yo Oshawa).Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisco Bold
A thoroughly thought out route of traffic making cross city travel a breeze or a highly condensed, conjested road system in terrible shape? Pickering's chosen its side!Quote:
- You can drive through Ajax in five minutes
The women in Pickering are prissy stuck ups that have no sense of originality. Whatever Britney Spears is doing is what they're doing. Oh and they're not trend whores. Ask any of them.Quote:
- The urban population of Ajax consists of wiggers bouncing around in low-riding Tauruses listening to Paul Wall's 'Sideways.'
That's just the wafts coming off of Pickering in to Ajax because of the giant sized fan you built for no reason at the harbour. Luckily for us the Pickering engineers can only get it to work 2 days out of the month.Quote:
- Ajax smells of doo-doo and sea water
True.Quote:
- The history section in the Durham Centre's Chapters is lacking
Also true.Quote:
- Tibor from Costco is rude.
But again even plenty of people who have used it find it gimmicky. I know I haven't been the least bit impressed. I'm sure excite trucks is just a shitty game, and I'm hoping more games use it to better effect. But I'm just not seeing how it's an improvement, it's different but it seems like a lateral move. Mario galaxy is a make or break it for me on the wii. Maybe the controls will be smooth and unlike anything a controller can handle. I just severely doubt it, a normal controller looks like it would suffice.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
Let's not bring silly things like 'the quality of malls' into this argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
I'm not into twelve-year-olds, so I wouldn't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
I think that fills the quota of rival town bashing. Don't you?
I concede. It's been a good run but enough is enough. Lets keep things tasteful.
Maybe you guys could make a springfield vs. shelbyville jackoff thread in Fight Club instead of having a totally unrelated argument in this one.
Maybe you could fuck off.
It's directly related to the next gen war. If you can't see that there's no helping you.
I never said the cap was fixed at $600 or any specific amount. It varies from consumer to consumer. But this much is fact: A consumer will have less money to spend after buying a $600 PS3 instead of a $250 Wii or $400 360. This has to have some effect on the lackluster PS3 launch software sales figures, especially concerning buyers with lower levels of discretionary income who in effect blew their load on the hardware purchase.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
A $400 360 and a $250 Wii means little to a budget conscious gamer if the games he looks forward to the most are PS3 exclusives. He's not going to buy a less expensive console if it won't play the games he wants just because it's less expensive. And as Andrew said, there's brand recognition and brand loyalty factored in as well.Quote:
Why would a budget conscious gamer buy a $600 PS3 when there's already a $400 Xbox360 and a $250 Wii available? He wouldn't; the reason PS3 games aren't selling is because gamers aren't buying PS3's, resellers are. If someone's willing to drop over half a grand on a videogame console, what's another $50 to actually have something to play on it?
Like the Saturn and N64. Duh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
If I just spent $600 dollars I would be a LOT more apprehensive to pick up more than 2 games with my system. $250 and I'd definitely buy a third, or maybe a fourth game (if there were games that tickled my fancy. I'm not an impulse buyer).
That has nothing to do with how much money I have. I can afford 30 PS3's comfortably. It's just that I have my limitations and $600 dollars for a video game console is already above it.
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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
Where exactly? I read all of the current mags of that time and don't remember anything but absolute PRAISE about the N64 controller. The only bashing I recall had to do with button placement for fighting games, but even that had nothing to do with the stick.
I don't see any mags outright bashing the wiimote, but you and me both know it's gets bashed everywhere.
I don't have a hard time believing the N64 analog stick got kicked by gamers. Just that no one in the press had the balls to put it to print.
I don't recall seeing that much bashing of the analog stick, as it was something that was already normal on PCs. In fact, I don't think Nintendo was the first console to use it, and NeoZeedeater can probably back me up/prove me wrong in that.
Atari 5200, excuse me.
You mean the kind of balls to give an 8.8 review to a AAA title, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
And let's see who were the people that wanted to discredit or dispute that edition of the print. Oh that's right.
conspiracy theory much?Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
Well, I could have pointed out that no one I knew bitched about it, but then that would just be hearsay wouldn't it? I'm not trying to come across as a Nintendo fanboy (I was swinging from the Saturns balls throughout the 32bit era), but I can't let someone pull some comment out of the air that had no basis in the reality of the time either.
If the Xbox3 comes out 4 years after the 360, I'd really be hesitant about buying it. Sega pulled that crap and look at how consumers responded.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
I'm disappointed in the fact that I bought my Xbox two years ago and the well of games is beginning to dry up because of the 360. What happens when I decide to buy a 360 next year and 2 years later the same shit happens? I'm going to find the XBox brand name to be a bust and move on.
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Originally Posted by gamevet
Wait….you buy a system 3 years late and expect a company to still support it?
I know my Vectrex has analog sticks. I do give credit to Nintendo for actually making the analog stick control fully functional and useful for games. Every early attempt at analog control sucked until N64, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
I also don't remember anyone calling it a gimmick either. We presold almost 400 systems at my EB that year (got in trouble for it too) and I don't recall people calling it a gimmick. All I remember is "holy shit, Mario looks butter, yo!" Ahh, the '90s. :)
I'm not broke either, and I'm not interested at this price either. Extra controller, 2 games, + tax = $800+ for a playable console. Fuck that, I'd rather buy 15 new 360 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
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Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
he bought the Xbox 2 years after it came out, not 3 years after it was dead. But yeah more than a 4 year lifespan for a console is what I expect. However you really didn't even get that cause once the 360 was shown at E3 the Xbox well of games ran dry pretty damn fast. I think both the Xbox and GC sucked in that respect neither one of them gave us, in my humble opinion, a full console life. The only one of last gen that did was the PS2. I really don't think it's asking a lot to get at least 5 years out of a console. What pisses me off about MS is that they don't feel that way, I could have sworn in an interview back during the Xbox days that they said they felt 5 years was too long for a console life and wanted it to be 3 - 4. I'm sorry but rising console costs and shorter console lifespans don't interest me.
The releases for the system didn't die until last week. It has Call of Duty 3, Splinter Cell: Double Agent, Need For Speed: Carbon, NBA 2k7, Lego Star Wars II, etc. I'm not really sure what more people would expect from a system that's 1 year out of date. Just look at the upcoming PS2 releases. :yuck:
I meant 2 years after the system came out. I had bought the system about 6 months after KOTOR came out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
ShinjohnPV hit the nail on the head with his comments.
MS bailed on the XBox, because it was a money pit. Did they want to beat Sony to the market? Yes! But outright dropping support for existing XBox owners and not showing 3rd parties that your company still has faith in the product, doesn't exactly give me a hard-on for the 360.
Afaik, it's November 2006 and the Xbox launched November 15th, 2001 and there are still Xbox games being released. That's 5 years, no? Or are you strictly talking about Microsoft software support?
Microsoft software support in general. The real letdown is,that the best thing about Xbox was LIVE and games that support it are down to a trickle. COD3 is a blast on LIVE, but I'd have to say that it's probably going to be the last title to support it. Other than that, most of the online content was from last holiday season with titles like Burnout 3:Revenge, SW: Battlefront 2 and Battlefield 2. Outrun 2:CtoC was DOA.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
This last year hasn't been anymore exciting for the XBox, than it has been for the Gamecube. The PS2 however, is a totally different story. Some of the best titles for the system, have been in the last 1.5 years.
I'm completely the opposite. The fact that God of War 2, Yakuza 2, and stuff like that is going to the obsolete PS2 pisses me off. It makes me want a PS3 less. I'd much rather a company drop the outdated shit like a bad habit.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
For the most part I agree 100%, but when nintendo dropped the last few games I wanted for the cube in favor for wii versions I was increadibly pissed off. Mainly because I don't see them being improved in the least by being wii games rather than cube games. That said I would have much rather had god of war 2 go to the ps3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Good point. They have to make the decision at the right time, and three months before release is not the right time.
It's not so much about money as it is market share. Xbox only had 20% of last gen's market in it's pocket, and any effort to further that would be in vain, Sony could coast on their 60%+ without doing anything. So they're focusing on this gen, where they have a sizable lead due to their head start, and where 360 will end up somewhere +/-10-15% of PS3's share depending on how they play their cards. And with that kind of market share, 360's support in its twilight years will be much better than the original Xbox's.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
IAWTP. There's a really good reason I wanted to finish FFXII before I brought Gears of War into my house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
p.s. GoW really made me wish FFXII had been made for 360.
That's exactly it; print mags weren't trashing the analog stick (aside from indirect shots like "the analog stick allows Mario to walk more slowly at times.....the rest of the game is more exciting, don't worry"). I vividly remember tons of PSX and Saturn fanboys calling the analog stick a giant gimmick in the summer of 96'. I can't prove it because I wasn't recording my conversations in the high school cafeteria or in BBS'es.Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
Atari was the first system to have an analog stick I believe, but the Nintendo 64 is clearly the system that made it a staple of modern gaming.
As for the PS2 games going to PS3 debate, I think Sony's attitude is that the best way to strengthen the Playstation brand name (which will lead to people biting off $600 PS3's) is to make good games available to the most people possible under that Sony umbrella. The fact that these games can be played on PS3 anyway probably factors into their logic. If PS3 was priced for the mainstream and not a tool to crowbar BluRay into homes I think games like God of War 2 would have been pushed over to PS3 as launch titles.
Nintendo's foresight to include a single analog stick to control their cartridge-based, fog-filled games clearly paved the way for everything good in gaming.
Is that some sort of strange way of arguing that the dual shock was not a response to the success of the N64 analog stick and rumble pack? Or are you trying to make the point that PS1 games didn't have their own inherent flaws (such as agonizing load times, jagged pixelated graphics, and surfaces exposing all their polygon seams)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Some of these have been mentioned but I had already made a (probably incomplete) timeline of console analog stick/pads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
1976 - Two-way only analog stick for Radofin/Interton family of consoles beginning with the 1292 Advanced Programmable Video System.
October 1982 - Analog stick for 5200. It was non-centering but third-party Wico later made a centering one for the 5200.
October or November 1982 (different sources say different months) - Analog stick for Vectrex.
Early 1990s? - Analog pad for Mega Drive(unreleased, I think). I was going to ask you if this came out since you're the Genesis guy. I can't remember where I saw a picture of it.
April, 1996 - Dual analog stick called FlightStick released for Playstation. I'm not sure the date on the wiki is correct but I do recall this coming out before the other 32/64-bit analog controllers.
June 23, 1996 - Analog pad for N64.
July 5, 1996 - Analog pad for Saturn.
April, 1997 - Dual analog controller for Playstation.
The 5200 one shouldn't count. It is still, to this day, one of the worst controllers ever created for the shit analog alone.
Print mags weren't bashing it because NO ONE WAS!
If it were such a horrible idea and no one liked it, why would sega, sony, and everyone else since implement them into their controllers???
That and the non-diagonal 3DO pad are in the top 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by portnoyd
They can't please everyone, clearly, but I would reckon that the titles released before you bought the system aren't less good because they were around before you bought an Xbox.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet