Michael Richards (Kramer) loses it on stage

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Originally Posted by Tenchimo Dos

Ok...what? I guess you win that argument, because I don't know if anyone will understand what the hell you just said.

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here, let me draw you a picture

^Wow that was dumb.

BTW, "spiel"

Right, so that would be just as bad and would probably get that comedian banned just as much as Richards was. What's your point IronPlant? Do you have one?

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Originally Posted by buttcheeks

I have a hard time believing that. I don't think anyone would give a shit if Eddy Murphy or Chris Rock called some guy a "white honkey cracker sister fucking asshole" and went on some spill about how either A) so and so is a sister fucker and a hick or B) a puffy shirt wearing fag from the UK.

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You really don't get it; g0zen explained it only a couple of posts back.

A black person calling a white person a hick is just applying a racial stereotype to one person; it's the equivalent of saying black people eat watermelon. Racial Stereotypes suck yes, but they're only as bad as any other insult you could ever say about someone.

Read Richard's quotes again that Brisco posted:

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"Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a fucking fork up your ass … You can talk, you can talk, you're brave now motherfucker. Throw his ass out. He's a nigger! He's a nigger! He's a nigger! A nigger, look, there's a nigger!"

"That's what you get for talking back to the white man."

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If you don't understand the huge difference between what Richard's said there and stereotype joke (which is what Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy go by) you really are more retarded than I thought. I'll give you a hint: old wounds and rubbing salt in them.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Right, so that would be just as bad and would probably get that comedian banned just as much as Richards was.

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No way, Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, etc. have probably all said something to that effect; nobody gives a shit.

I think the rule is that the shit you say has to be funny, especially if it's going to be that offensive, and this wasn't.

That's what bothers me about it.

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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

No way, Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, etc. have probably all said something to that effect; nobody gives a shit.

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The difference is that Those guys make fun of everyone vs a lame comedian trying to tell a racist joke. And in this case he clearly wasn't joking. I'm tired of this lame argument.

And there are white comedians that tell race jokes as well, but once again they are GOOD comedians. I'm not gonna say the dude is racist, he probably wanted to offend those people that were pissing him off, and choose that route.

Yeah, I mean...

Dave Chappelle, as Chip: "That was good, wasn't it? Because I did know I couldn't do that!"

Eddie Murphy, Italian guy impression: "Hey, paisan, d'you see Rocky? Good fuckin' movie!"

Funny.

Kramer: "He's a nigger!"

Not funny.

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Originally Posted by shidoshi

Look, I'm not defending what he said, but this whole "oh see here are his true colors!" stuff is BS. You're telling me you've never had a fight with your parents / your girl / a friend / etc. where you said something hurtful that you honestly didn't believe? When you get really pissed off, you lose rational judgement of what you're saying sometimes, and you absolutely can say things that you honestly don't believe.

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Agreed. It was obviously a stupid and embarassing thing for him to do, but it seems pretty clear that he was just pissed off and trying to be offensive. The route he took to do that just happened to be a particularly loaded one that a lot of people probably won't be able to get over.

The guy in the audience calls Richards a cracker and I don't believe anyone's calling him a racist (I do realize the difference, but fundamentally it's the same deal).

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Originally Posted by Salsashark

Agreed. It was obviously a stupid and embarassing thing for him to do, but it seems pretty clear that he was just pissed off and trying to be offensive. The route he took to do that just happened to be a particularly loaded one that a lot of people probably won't be able to get over.

The guy in the audience calls Richards a cracker and I don't believe anyone's calling him a racist (I do realize the difference, but fundamentally it's the same deal).

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He called him that after he said "we had you hung up 50 years ago". So I wouldn't even hold that guy on the same level as Kramer.