Probably more to do with punching spectators.Quote:
Originally Posted by DistantRelative
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Probably more to do with punching spectators.Quote:
Originally Posted by DistantRelative
I'm not going to discuss this with you past this post. You can't even make up your mind on what stance you want to take. You can't say you don't condone it, then turn around and say that using the n word or hick is the same as calling someone a retard. And no, funny doesn’t change that. It might make it more acceptable, but it sure as fuck does not magically equate the two kinds of insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
I may very well be socially retarded, but you probably could give me a run for my money if I am. I think I've said, what?, three times that I'm not comparing what Richard's said to Eddy Murphy or Chris Rock jokes, but to a hypothetical situation were they did the exact same thing.
So then you don't really have a point other than to say; "Dur, if blackie did it it'd be okay..What's with all the hate for da white man?" Okay, fine IronPlant, you can hold that opinion if you want, but it's patently wrong. No half-baked slur toward Caucasians that a black comedian could come up with would compare to Richards invoking the murder of African-Americans through the lynchings. So, you really can't make your comparison. Richards was being a bigot and an asshole and he deserves every bit of negative press he's got.
Wait, a lot of the time, g0zen and Buttcheeks are arguing about something I know nothing about so I stay out, but is Buttcheeks always completely wrong like this when he walks into an arguement 5 days late?
Yes, every time he jumps headfirst into an argument with whatever bullshit comes into his head and makes an ass of himself. It's like clockwork.
No. Since some of you lack the ability to read and comprehend I'll just make a list of what I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
1) I do not think what he said was ok. In fact I find it appalling.
2) I do understand why people are upset over this. I am not defending him.
3) However, I do think that if someone not white was to do the same thing, people wouldn't care as much.
I'm sorry that me thinking #3 bothers you. But at least I admit this country has real social problems and don't try to sweep them under the white trash mat.
Uh, I wouldn't be too sure about that. I realize you are a lefty and think you are ultimately better than most the people around you in Tennessee, so you might not understand this, but words like racist and hick or white trash have just as much weight with many southern white people as the N word has with black people.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
When a person uses those words against a lower middle class person, it does have weight. It rips away everything they have strived for. It says, "you are worthless, you are crap, and you are a monster. All of these horrible things, you are a part of them. Plantation owners, Nazi's you are just like them. You are less than human."
No, the history of the two kinds of insults are not the same. It is the difference between one being the people being hurt and the people doing the hurting. But the insults are essentially the same in their effort to strip away a person's humanity.
I'd buy that.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
Since your entire arguement is hypothetical I don't think it's really relevent. Michael Richards did say it on stage, Chris Rock and whoever else you mentioned "might have" or "if they". That's not enough to base an arguement on. Also I don't think the insult of blacks to whites are as potent -- seeing as they didn't enslave us for hundreds if not thousands of years prior and all. Did you forget that fact?
Add to that little morsal of history the fact that cracka', honky and whitey don't really hold a lot of merit in the eyes of white people while nigger (for the history mentioned above) has a really grass roots connotation associated with it.
Does America have eskimo's? I'm not trying to be racist here but I hate them all.
I hear that argument more from white people than black people. I would be interested in knowing what the black members of TNL think about that word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
The people I've talked to about it tended to hate it because of how it insulted every part of them, how it demoted every part of their being from that of a human to that of an object or tool. It was never "ohnoses, you're talking crap about my ancestors" and more "fuck you, you fucking asshole, I'm not some god damn animal, I'm a MAN."
I don't think I was making an argument. I clearly said it was just an opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
So? Nobody is saying that serious, hateful racist remarks are acceptable. They're not, and retardedly stupid, which is why I find so much humour in them. All I said was that there's a reason why it's more socially acceptable for a black guy to call a white guy a cracka over a white guy calling a black guy a nigger. But they're both wrong to say, so it doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
Chris Rock is funny for the most part (though some of his movies, wtf?) and whenever he calls a white guy a cracka or whatever it's always tongue in cheek. Michael Richards lost it, and even if he was trying to be hip and cool by using this kind of shock humour he wasn't funny and cut way too close to the root of the matter. Because they actually used to strip black guys and hang them upside down to humiliate them simply because they were black. I'm not sure about the fork thing, that was out of left feild. What can Chris Rock say about white people that would cut close to a hard truth like that?
That's kind of a weak foundation to formulate an opinion on too, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks