Michael Richards (Kramer) loses it on stage

I <3 Sats more by every post.

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Originally Posted by shidoshi

Look, I'm not defending what he said, but this whole "oh see here are his true colors!" stuff is BS. You're telling me you've never had a fight with your parents / your girl / a friend / etc. where you said something hurtful that you honestly didn't believe? When you get really pissed off, you lose rational judgement of what you're saying sometimes, and you absolutely can say things that you honestly don't believe.

I guess, when I was a kid, and I got into fights with my mother, and I told her I hated her, it was because deep down inside I really do.

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Someone yells at this guy and the only thing he can think to do is drop the N-bomb over and over and cite a hate crime.

Sometimes people say stupid things when they're angry, yeah. And do they always mean it 100%? No. But things do come out that you would typically hold back.

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Originally Posted by Satsuki

And yet black comedians can basically make up entire routines of "HAY LOOK WHITE GUYS DRIVE LIKE THIS!!!!" and it's perfectly okay.

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"WHITE PEOPLE DRIVE LIKE THIS" is often followed by "BLACK PEOPLE DON'T PAY BILLS AND RUN AWAY FROM SCARY THINGS."(for comparisons sake, I think usually the white people try to make brave stands or something). Anyways white comics make jokes about black people too. I don't know why people seem to pretend like they don't and I'm guessing it's just laziness. If Richards had been sharper he could have gotten away with directing a racial joke at his hecklers, but mostly he just kept saying nigger, people realized no actual humor was coming, and then it just got awkward.

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I commend him for saying (loudly) what no one else in the audience had the guts to say.

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Who knows what things were like before he made his comments. I heard that his set bombed and a decent portion of the crowd was booing him before that point, so maybe he was only speaking for himself while people in the audience had more than enough guts to say what they wanted and did so through booing and rude comments. Maybe.

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Originally Posted by Dylan1CC

This incident is actually worse in some ways than what Gibson said. Because unlike Gibson, Richards wasn't in a drunken stupor and was fully aware of what he was saying and had the full ability to stop what he was about to say/do. Not saying that Mel being drunk means he didn't mean what he said, he obviously did. Because we can tell now that his comments while arrested stem from a long history of holding that opinion and his strange upbringing with his creepy holocaust denying father (who he still loves and admires which is even more scary )

Whether or not Richards has a long history with being racist (he did say something about "what lies buried" during his tirade) remains to be seen I guess.

edit: Just watched the video story on cnn.com

They interview Sinbad at one point (he was there when it happened) who called Richard's apoligy unacceptable trash, a cop out adding that a "real man" would apoligize in front of an all black comedy club instead of "taking the easy way out on Letterman." Brilliant idea, Sinbad. :rolleyes:

The Letterman apoligy may have sounded dull and awkward but...Sinbad's solution = put Richards in a 100x more uncomfortable position with potential to throw gas on the fire. Surely a more effective apoligy would be gained by that. I'll admit though, if he did that he'd sure have some nerve and bravery (not saying there's even a possibility he would consider obviously).

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Originally Posted by Genki

Or maybe him and Jerry are really good friends and Jerry wanted him to be heard?

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Nah. Just a cover.

this is all going to turn into that episode of Seinfeld where Mr. Morgan thought George was a racist because he (George) said that he (Morgan) looked like Sugar Ray Leonard. George then went around the city in a desperate attempt to interact and make friends with whatever black person that he could.

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Originally Posted by Satsuki

I commend him for saying (loudly) what no one else in the audience had the guts to say.

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Uh-huh...

I bet he got paid more for his apology on the Late Show than he ever did for any of his stand-up. I'm sure he didn't mean to do this as a publicity stunt, but it seems like it is helping his bank-account.

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