Official Wii Thread: Part 3

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14428

"Interestingly, at 68 percent, backwards compatibility was listed as the second most important factor. This could be a disadvantage for Microsoft's Xbox 360, which only features limited compatibility with certain original Xbox titles."

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Thanks for the link. I just got to checking it out now. Some things just don't add up in that article. I think it proves my theory that consumers think they know what they want, but they really don't.

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Originally Posted by GameDaily article

87 percent, out of an online survey of 16,670 NPD Consumer Panel members, said that having an appealing games portfolio was the number one factor when it comes to buying a new console. And while the PlayStation 3 is the most expensive system, of those interested in buying just one console 62 percent responded that it would be Sony's.

"Price is definitely a factor, but not as much as is content," said Anita Frazier industry analyst, The NPD Group. "I've long been a believer that it isn't any particular technical capability that will win this next console battle. The story continues to be content."

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While the PS3 was tops for people looking to buy just one new console, among the Heavy Gamer segment the Wii garnered slightly more purchase interest than Sony's platform (79 percent vs. 70 percent). We made the assumption that perhaps this was driven by price, since Wii is the least expensive and these gamers are already spending more than anyone else. Frazier disagreed, however.


"Again, I think it's about content. Keep in mind that our segmentation study revealed that a good portion of heavy gamers are kids & teens. Nintendo has some great proprietary content that is attractive to and suitable for these heavy gamers that aren't necessarily playing 'mature content.' So I think it's less about price for the heavy gamer group, and quite a bit about the great games (e.g. Zelda) that these heavy gamers enjoy playing," she explained.

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Considering that the 360 has the best line up of games well into 2007, I don't understand how content is cited as the number one factor. Maybe everyone who took the survey already had a 360? Or bad taste?

Diff'rent stroks for diff'rent folks I suppose. :chick:

Here's a link to the official report.
http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_061113.html

Just grabbed all my accessories. I can confirm that the PAL Wii Play also comes in a full size white DVD case.

I went to Walmart tonight to exchange that SD card after trying everything conceivable to get it to work on my computer. Brought a new one home, same problem. It's got to be my drivers or something but I've got the most recent drivers from the manufacturer's website. I have no clue what to do at this point.

On the bright side, they had 2 Wiimotes so I snagged them. I'm not sure I'll keep them both though; I'll either put one on Ebay or give it to someone here at cost.

Wii that pulsates along with any music/sound!! It uses a internal chip and will cost only $20



Play your Nintendo Wii on a 1.5 inch TV!!!

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Originally Posted by bandit

Play your Nintendo Wii on a 1.5 inch TV!!!

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I don't know what's neater/quirkier, the fact the Wii works with a tiny tv or that such a tiny television would exist, period. It's like a little Animal Crossing TV come to life. :D

I finally got to play more Excite Truck, I posted my impressions in the Excite Truck thread. In summary I love the game because it plays like ExciteBike.

So do you mean that it's on the cutting edge of 1985, or that it provides a lot of great, mindless fun?

1985...

was a good year.

Does it play that keen little tune before the game starts up? When God makes me rich after i kill all of the infidels, i will pay an orchestra to play that wonderful tune. Also, Pinball. NES medley. i wonder if it's already out there somewhere...

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Originally Posted by Jeremy

So do you mean that it's on the cutting edge of 1985, or that it provides a lot of great, mindless fun?

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It's on the cutting edge of 2002 and it provides a lot of great, mindless fun.

Cutting edge 1997. I want Excite Bike 64.

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Originally Posted by Finch

1985...

was a good year.

Does it play that keen little tune before the game starts up? When God makes me rich after i kill all of the infidels, i will pay an orchestra to play that wonderful tune. Also, Pinball. NES medley. i wonder if it's already out there somewhere...

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Are we supposed to know what you're talking about or is "unsolvable" really your goal?

Excite Bike has keen music.

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Originally Posted by Finch

I want Excite Bike 64.

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Then why don't you buy it? It's like 6 dollars at GameStop.

Of course the day my component cables come in from NOA, Best Buy gets React Component cables.

If you're looking for them, there they are.

Question.... when someone adds me, will my Wii let me know. Someone said they added me but I never received anything letting me know.

With the cables, the Wii gives you the option to boot up GC games in progressive scan mode. Yay.

It might only be ones that support it; all I tried was Wind Waker and I don't know if that does or not.

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Originally Posted by JefmcC

Considering that the 360 has the best line up of games well into 2007, I don't understand how content is cited as the number one factor. Maybe everyone who took the survey already had a 360? Or bad taste? Here's a link to the official report.
http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_061113.html

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Agreed, those results make no sense. So basically all gamers, from casual to hardcore, like the Wii and PS3 equally while the 360 is an afterthought. Those who think the PS3's lineup will shat all over the 360 and Wii probably are not paying attention (though if I had to choose only one console to get titles I'd agree with the PS3).

The 360 is selling worse than the Xbox at the same point in time, despite having no competition the first year this time around. I assumed it was due to the higher price, but that survey shows people want the PS3 so price isn't the issue. MS had better figure out how to convince people that the 360 has as good (or better) library than the PS3, and quick.

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Originally Posted by Mzo

With the cables, the Wii gives you the option to boot up GC games in progressive scan mode. Yay.

It might only be ones that support it; all I tried was Wind Waker and I don't know if that does or not.

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I'm playing F-Zero GX tonight.

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Originally Posted by RoleTroll

Agreed, those results make no sense. So basically all gamers, from casual to hardcore, like the Wii and PS3 equally while the 360 is an afterthought. Those who think the PS3's lineup will shat all over the 360 and Wii probably are not paying attention (though if I had to choose only one console to get titles I'd agree with the PS3).

The 360 is selling worse than the Xbox at the same point in time, despite having no competition the first year this time around. I assumed it was due to the higher price, but that survey shows people want the PS3 so price isn't the issue. MS had better figure out how to convince people that the 360 has as good (or better) library than the PS3, and quick.

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Want, and have are two different things, supply of PS3, and an 8million head start by MS beg to differ.

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Originally Posted by Chux

I'm playing F-Zero GX tonight.

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OH SHIT SON

RE4 has progressive scan too.

They'll sell the cables at a high price.

Chux was finally funny!!!!!!

I'm in love with that 1.5" TV video. I need one of those. I already have a miniature fridge with all kinds of miniature vegetables and sodas and meats and fish. And I have cute dolls, too. I can set up quite a paradise...

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Originally Posted by RoleTroll

Agreed, those results make no sense. So basically all gamers, from casual to hardcore, like the Wii and PS3 equally while the 360 is an afterthought. Those who think the PS3's lineup will shat all over the 360 and Wii probably are not paying attention (though if I had to choose only one console to get titles I'd agree with the PS3).

The 360 is selling worse than the Xbox at the same point in time, despite having no competition the first year this time around. I assumed it was due to the higher price, but that survey shows people want the PS3 so price isn't the issue. MS had better figure out how to convince people that the 360 has as good (or better) library than the PS3, and quick.

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Legacy sales. How many people in america alone have a PS2? They figure if the PS2 was good, the PS3 must be good as well. For most people the xbox360 is just a commercial.

NAL launched without component cables at all. I went to about 7 retailers yesterday and none of them had any idea when we'd be getting them. Incoming over-priced import cables. Also missing at launch were:

Remote gloves
Trauma Center: SO
Excite Truck
Elebits
A shit-ton of VC games

Some retailers were only carrying Zelda, Rayman, COD 3 and Red Steel. I had to scour the place for Monkey Ball.

Way to give a shit about us, Nintendo.

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Originally Posted by Giltc'h

Oh snap, I've got to import this.

Printing sleeves off the Internet and slipping them into a white DVD case didn't end up working out as good as planned due to the paper curling. Wii Sports deserves better.

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Could of just asked me. I sent James one and hes probably enjoying it. What you mean by paper curling?

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Originally Posted by Hot Like Wasabi

Question.... when someone adds me, will my Wii let me know. Someone said they added me but I never received anything letting me know.

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No. Just look at your Wii friend list. If the name is bolded and dark, it means you were added onto their list. If its still grey, means they havent added you.

Make sure both parties have each others number correctly.

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Originally Posted by bandit

Could of just asked me. I sent James one and hes probably enjoying it. What you mean by paper curling?

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Any chance you could send me one? :tu:My printer shit the bed.

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Originally Posted by PBMax

Any chance you could send me one? :tu:My printer shit the bed.

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Sure. Now I have different ones.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nintendo-Wii-Spo...QQcmdZViewItem

PM me and let me know which one you want along with address.

bandit is nice.

FZero looks fucking rad with the Widescreen/P-Scan.

My system overheats. If I play it for more than two hours, it turns off by itself and then I have to wait a few minutes before I can play it again.

Laaaaaame. Thank goodness I finished Zelda before this shit started happening. Looks like I'll have to call Nintendo and send it in to get a replacement. Does anyone know if they'll give you the VC games you've downloaded on your new system and your points as well?

I think i remember reading somewhere that they'll take your VC games away and put negative points on your system, so that you have to pay an extra $100 before you can buy any more VC games. that is a lie, i read somewhere they put your stuff on the new system

Also, stop preparing my component cables, Nintendo. My new tv will be here in two weeks and i want those cables by then.

Slug Anthology still shipping on the 14th or was it pushed back?

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Originally Posted by bandit

Could of just asked me. I sent James one and hes probably enjoying it. What you mean by paper curling?

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I'm an ungrateful fucktard who never thanked you for that, aren't I?

It looks great, kicks all kinds of ass, and is the envy of all those who have seen it. Seriously, you can't even tell it's not an official insert unless you look reeeeally close. Thanks again. :D

James

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Originally Posted by Frito

My system overheats. If I play it for more than two hours, it turns off by itself and then I have to wait a few minutes before I can play it again.

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That's strange; are you sure it's a heat issue? Is the fan not coming on at all? Mine gets warm if I leave it in standby mode.

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Originally Posted by PBMax

Slug Anthology still shipping on the 14th or was it pushed back?

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According to GameStop, still the 14th. But you know how it is..once it nears release, they push that shit back till god knows when.

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Originally Posted by James

I'm an ungrateful fucktard who never thanked you for that, aren't I?

It looks great, kicks all kinds of ass, and is the envy of all those who have seen it. Seriously, you can't even tell it's not an official insert unless you look reeeeally close. Thanks again. :D

James

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Its OK. Glad you enjoyed it. And I thank you for the white DVD cases (if I havent done so already). I didnt know the cases you got me and the one from Target didnt have Wii inside the case :( . Stupid me is stupid enough to go to Nintendo's online store and buy actual Wii cases. If anyone is stupid enough like me..let me know (was going to use these to put towards ebay as well).

It would be so great if there was a Wii Sports manual (dont even know why you would need one) like the Japanese people have.

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Originally Posted by bandit

It would be so great if there was a Wii Sports manual (dont even know why you would need one) like the Japanese people have.

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If you really want one I can scan mine at some ungodly print-worthy resolution, It's in english too.

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Originally Posted by Detour

If you really want one I can scan mine at some ungodly print-worthy resolution, It's in english too.

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That would be nice.

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Originally Posted by bandit

Sure. Now I have different ones.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nintendo-Wii-Spo...QQcmdZViewItem

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Nice work. :)

I know this has already been touched on, but for those who missed it, or are just interested to read big media outlet's coverage of the gaming world, here is a link to a NYTimes article about the Wii remote and its potnetial hazards (require free account):Sweaty Palmed Spazes

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Originally Posted by bandit

I didnt know the cases you got me and the one from Target didnt have Wii inside the case.

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I didn't even notice that the official game cases had "Wii" stamped inside them. I just assumed since I got official Nintendo promo white cases they were identical. Bugger.

-edit- Nice, looks like six games might hit next week. Two are crap, and Far Cry is questionable, but Metal Slug, Elebits, and Super Swing Golf should all show up as well.

James

There are rumors that Far Cry was delayed because Ubisoft has either A) implemented online play or B) inserted code so that online play can be activated with a patch. I don't believe either are true, but you never know. It does need an edge to sell, considering it looks like shit and has to compete with two quality FPSes in Red Steel and CoD3.

I read a couple japanese reviews of Super Swing Golf; the gameplay sounds fun (and you can play with timed button presses if you don't like the motion control) but it just looks so generic and boring. When will someone give us mini golf instead of these pseudo-fantasy golf games?

Elebits looks like it's going to be a fantastic game and a sleeper hit.

"There are rumors that Far Cry was delayed because Ubisoft has either A) implemented online play or B) inserted code so that online play can be activated with a patch. I don't believe either are true, but you never know. It does need an edge to sell, considering it looks like shit "

Gamers don't care about online or graphics.

They don't care about your posts either.

<3

Unconfirmed, and this thread is proof.

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

Gamers don't care about online or graphics.

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It's a good thing the Wii isn't about online or graphics then, isn't it.

Meanwhile, nobody here has mentioned this yet?

wussup lawsuit

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Originally Posted by dog$

Meanwhile, nobody here has mentioned this yet?

wussup lawsuit

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That's kind of a stretch. I find it hard to believe that Nintendo's patent went through with this one in existance if it was infringing. Seems like Interlink just sees a profit opportunity off an old patent. Not even in the same ballpark as the vibration lawsuit.

This may have been covered before, but how do I know when my Wii is actually online? My Wii is sometimes unplugged and I'm using the Wifi dongle to connect, so that isn't always on all the time either. When I both have them on, the Wifi dongle PC window doesn't say a user is connected unless I specifically go to "test connection" or something. I do have Wiiconnect24 enabled. Any input?

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Originally Posted by portnoyd

That's kind of a stretch. I find it hard to believe that Nintendo's patent went through with this one in existance if it was infringing. Seems like Interlink just sees a profit opportunity off an old patent. Not even in the same ballpark as the vibration lawsuit.

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I agree; the patent appears to be simply for an electronic pointer with a trigger that looks vaguely like a remote. That's too vague a concept to hold up in court, especially since Interlink never did anything with it and Nintendo is using it's own technology to make the Wiimote work. Also, Nintendo reportedly was developing and patenting the Wiimote technology in 2004 as a GameCube peripheral; the Interlink patent wasn't filed until 2005. Bullshit litigation, we'll never hear about it again.

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Originally Posted by Yamcha

This may have been covered before, but how do I know when my Wii is actually online? My Wii is sometimes unplugged and I'm using the Wifi dongle to connect, so that isn't always on all the time either. When I both have them on, the Wifi dongle PC window doesn't say a user is connected unless I specifically go to "test connection" or something. I do have Wiiconnect24 enabled. Any input?

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If you can access your address book you're online, at least according to the error messages I've gotten when not online.

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

When will someone give us mini golf instead of these pseudo-fantasy golf games?

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Shit, there's so many of them. They're falling off the shelves. It's rediculous, spelled with an e as the second letter.
I would be happy if we got mini golf as well as the occasional not realistic golf game. I don't know what it is. if a golf game looks real, i don't give a shit. If a golf game looks like Super Swing or Hot Shots or Mario Golf, i'm super excited. Super Swing has clothes switching action. give me

POWERGLOVE WII REMOTE!!!

Has any used the DS usb WIFI adapter with the Wii yet? I was told it does work and also it doesnt work.

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Originally Posted by SamuraiMoogle

Has any used the DS usb WIFI adapter with the Wii yet? I was told it does work and also it doesnt work.

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It should work. There is no difference. Datel is releasing a Wii USB WIFI adapter. Only difference..Wii is written on it instead of DS.

are the Wii component cables still hard to find? every damn site on the net has them on back order.

Manic: Yep, still hard to find. Store are supposed to be getting them in at the end of the month. Right now, I'd say your best bet is to order directly from Nintendo. They are filling backorders now, but you will likely get the cable before the stores will. It took me about a week (with 2 day shipping) to get mine when I ordered.

" x >//S?sv ujnhhbgbgv
7yugqw0-`km96hedf0-==hghg90]a"

That message was typed by my eight month old baby and it has more meaning than 100 Joust posts.

Your baby holds down shift while hitting other keys?

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Originally Posted by Schlep

Your baby holds down shift while hitting other keys?

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Banging away with two hands ;)

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Originally Posted by PBMax

" x >//S?sv ujnhhbgbgv
7yugqw0-`km96hedf0-==hghg90]a"

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FUCK YOU SONY KILLED LIK-SANG NINTENDO RULES

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Originally Posted by dog$

FUCK YOU SONY KILLED LIK-SANG NINTENDO RULES

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:lol::lol:

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Originally Posted by GohanX

Manic: Yep, still hard to find. Store are supposed to be getting them in at the end of the month. Right now, I'd say your best bet is to order directly from Nintendo. They are filling backorders now, but you will likely get the cable before the stores will. It took me about a week (with 2 day shipping) to get mine when I ordered.

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thanks, i'll do that.

PBMax reproduced? Maybe it's been the baby whining in every post the last few weeks and not his dad. Just to be safe, someone shove a pacifier in both their holes.

Eww.

lol!

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

PBMax reproduced? Maybe it's been the baby whining in every post the last few weeks and not his dad. Just to be safe, someone shove a pacifier in both their holes.

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Almost funny...which is better than your usual effort.

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Originally Posted by PBMax

Almost funny...which is better than your usual effort.

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No, it actually was funny.

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Originally Posted by portnoyd

No, it actually was funny.

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Nah, it was predictable and tired.

There are component cables available at Best Buy for $25. I think they were made by React.

LOL, a Wii black eye.

No, officer, I didn't punch my wife. It was a Wiimore accident, I swear.

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Originally Posted by Glass Joe

There are component cables available at Best Buy for $25. I think they were made by React.

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Unfortanetly not a single BB in the Northern NJ area has received them or has any idea on when they will receive them. I broke down and just ordered them from Nintendo, I know the day they ship is when hundreds of the react component cables will show up at every BB in NJ. It's my fucking luck, I really shouldn't have to pay 40 bucks with shipping for something that I should have been able to buy day one in a store for 25. The fucking things better get here fast from Nintendo.

Sometimes Tyler spoke for me.

I fell down some stairs.
"I fell down some stairs."
I got hit with a Wiimote.
"I got hit with a Wiimote."

John: if it's any consolation, the Nintendo cables have pretty good build quailty (about the same as the cube cables,) while the React PS3 component cables I saw in Best Buy look cheap as hell, kind of like the generic Madcatz component cables that you see at EB/Gamestop.

We had our first Wii-related accident today. You know how we always scoff at the "make sure there are no breakables, etc" screen that pops up at every Wii game? I was chilling on the couch playing some MMX on PSP, and my girl was taking the Wii Sports fitness test, doing something in tennis. Now, she used to play tennis in college and high school, so instead of flicking the wiimote like I do, she does the full tennis swing. Suddenly I hear *CRASH*

I look over and she has the look of the 2 year old who just spilled all the milk on the floor-she shattered a glass that was sitting on the table with the Wiimote. She hit it hard enough that it didn't knock over, the top part just shattered and the bottom just sat there, like the bottle breaking minigame in AOF1. Her hand and the Wii Remote didn't have a scratch, so after we picked up the glass and vacuumed, I mocked her quite a bit.

www.wiihaveaproblem.com

http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/images/p55/post55.jpg

The crack on the right is from the first time the guy's wiimote hit the screen....

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

www.wiihaveaproblem.com

http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/images/p55/post55.jpg

The crack on the right is from the first time the guy's wiimote hit the screen....

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Typical Nintendo fanboy. The man hates Sony so much.

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Originally Posted by bandit

Sure. Now I have different ones.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nintendo-Wii-Spo...QQcmdZViewItem

PM me and let me know which one you want along with address.

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This just in: Bandit's inserts kick ass.

With the white DVD case I scored from Target for a penny the whole package looks pretty legit.

Thanks Bandit! :link:

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Originally Posted by PBMax

This just in: Bandit's inserts kick ass.

With the white DVD case I scored from Target for a penny the whole package looks pretty legit.

Thanks Bandit! :link:

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Glad you like it. SpoDaddy should be getting his shortly as well.

Sweet! Bandit is the man.

"homemade" wireless sensor bars $31.

http://www.wirelesssensorbar.com/

Wow, that sounds totally useless.

48 hours on a 9 volt battery, that's awful. I'd be interested in it if it was more power-efficient, used AA or AAA batteries, and extended the range of the Wiimote.

Is the sensor bar really that short that a wireless one is needed?

FYI, IGN seemed to love Elebits.

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Originally Posted by SamuraiMoogle

Is the sensor bar really that short that a wireless one is needed?

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The wire is about 8 feet; some people do have home theater setups that it doesn't accomodate, but I think for most people this is a convenience issue. It's mildly annoying to have to plug in a third cable with a system that so frequently gets transported around.

Brand: I posted that in the Elebits thread yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne

"homemade" wireless sensor bars $31.

http://www.wirelesssensorbar.com/

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$2 and a book of matches:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6paa4s8le10

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Originally Posted by Brand X

FYI, IGN seemed to love Elebits.

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EGM didn't seem to, or much else for that matter (aside from Zelda): Their set of launch reviews:

Zelda The Twilight Princess (Wii, Nintendo): 10 / 10 / 10
Excite Truck (Wii, Nintendo): 7.0 / 7.5 / 6.5
Red Steel (Wii, Ubisoft): 5.0 / 4.5 / 6.0
Elebits (Wii, Konami): 7.0 / 4.0 / 4.5
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam (Wii, Activision): 7.5 / 8.0 / 7.0
Madden NFL 07 (Wii, EA): 6.5 / 6.0 / 4.5
Wii Sports (Wii, Nintendo): 6.5 / 5.5 / 7.0
Trauma Center Secons Opionion (Wii, Atlus): 6.5 / 7.5 / 7.0
Rayman Ravaing Rabbits (Wii, Ubisoft): 7.0 / 7.5 / 7.5

*-neo

All you need to know about EGM's reviewing capabilities is that they rated Downhill Jam higher than Trauma Center.

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Originally Posted by neoalphazero

EGM didn't seem to, or much else for that matter (aside from Zelda): Their set of launch reviews:

Zelda The Twilight Princess (Wii, Nintendo): 10 / 10 / 10
Excite Truck (Wii, Nintendo): 7.0 / 7.5 / 6.5
Red Steel (Wii, Ubisoft): 5.0 / 4.5 / 6.0
Elebits (Wii, Konami): 7.0 / 4.0 / 4.5
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam (Wii, Activision): 7.5 / 8.0 / 7.0
Madden NFL 07 (Wii, EA): 6.5 / 6.0 / 4.5
Wii Sports (Wii, Nintendo): 6.5 / 5.5 / 7.0
Trauma Center Secons Opionion (Wii, Atlus): 6.5 / 7.5 / 7.0
Rayman Ravaing Rabbits (Wii, Ubisoft): 7.0 / 7.5 / 7.5

*-neo

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Take ~1.5 off each one of those, and they are dead-on. There is no way a game designed for last gen hardware is a 10 on a brand new console. I'm sorry. That's just fucking retarded. I hate it when reviewers give 10s to begin with, but for a launch title it's pure idiocy.

I can't argue with that. Same shit happens with Final Fantasy.

Wii remote Google Earth hack:

As it turns out, I have a bluetooth adapter. Anyone know if pairing your Wiimote with your PC will have adverse effects when you try and use it with your Wii again?

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Originally Posted by portnoyd

As it turns out, I have a bluetooth adapter. Anyone know if pairing your Wiimote with your PC will have adverse effects when you try and use it with your Wii again?

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Why would it?

Yeah, worst case scenario, you'll just have to re-sync it every time.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Take ~1.5 off each one of those, and they are dead-on. There is no way a game designed for last gen hardware is a 10 on a brand new console. I'm sorry. That's just fucking retarded. I hate it when reviewers give 10s to begin with, but for a launch title it's pure idiocy.

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:wtf:

Zelda is as close to a 10 as any game I've played in recent memory. Who gives a shit if it's a port or a launch title? That's completely irrelevant when grading the worth of a game.



To illustrate the competence of EGM, I give you quotes from a Monkey Ball Banana Blitz review that scored the game a 6:

"But since my motor skills are about as skilled as those of a thumb-sucking primate, it was hard to get a grip on all the monkey s*** going on."

He goes on to say that halfway through story mode the game gets "insanely difficult."

"For me boredom set in quicker than my average time of death: about 30 seconds."



So there you have it: Monkey Ball sucks because the reviewer sucks at videogames. What brilliance.

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Originally Posted by PBMax

:wtf:

Zelda is as close to a 10 as any game I've played in recent memory. Who gives a shit if it's a port or a launch title? That's completely irrelevant when grading the worth of a game.

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10 is perfect. A perfect game, in theory, would utilize its hardware to the fullest and be the pinnacle of that system's library. A launch title has never and will never achieve either one of these things. Thus, a launch title, especially one that was ported from a previous, weaker system, should never be rated a 10. It's a fanboy rating with zero objectivity, just like the example of Monkey Ball you gave, which is a hack rating with zero objectivity. The common thread is the zero objectivity, which shouldn't surprise anyone coming from EGM.

Well, when all you play are Nintendo games, Zelda could very well be the best that you've played in recent memory. But Yoshi's dead on.

Monkey Ball should get a 6 for different reasons, mainly having worse control and not being as good as the one that came out in 2001.