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Originally Posted by Saint of Killers

That's because you started watching MMA during the original TUF.

UFC 46. BJ Penn defeated Matt Hughes at 4:36 of the first round by submission due to a RNC. Hughes had practically no offense the entire fight.

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sorry ive watched the UFC since the very first. if you read what i actually wrote i said that there were a number of times before Matt got beat by GSP that he looked to be in trouble on the ground (ala the 2nd Penn/Hughes fight) but he stayed calm and got out of it.

how the fuck you got that i only watched the UFC since TUF and whatever else you said is beyond me. at no time in the 2nd match was BJ "beating Matts ass". sorry, he just never did. almost had him submitted? possibly.

so shove your "he hates BJ so he must be one of those new fans" attitude right up your ass.

btw, you make more excuses for BJ losing than Tito does when he loses.

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Originally Posted by sedition

his next fight(i think) is against the other TUF coach, jans pulver, at the end of season 5. Jans looked pretty crappy on his return, maybe bj could redeem his loss to jans. I remember watching their first fight and being pretty excited the pulver won... i don't remember it being a blow out or anything though.

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I actually haven't seen the first Penn/Pulver fight but it was also a split decision so it must have been fairly close.

If Penn doesn't steamroll Pulver in the rematch I'm going to cry.

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Originally Posted by Saint of Killers

I actually haven't seen the first Penn/Pulver fight but it was also a split decision so it must have been fairly close.

If Penn doesn't steamroll Pulver in the rematch I'm going to cry.

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my god, if the same Jens shows up that did his first match back i hope Penn beats his ass too.

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Originally Posted by Scourge

And Penn's injured ribs? Yeah, watch the fight again... If Penn's ribs were injured, it's because he took a body blow from Hughes that injured them.

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His ribs separated when he was rolling around with Hughes, not by anything Hughes intentionally did to Penn.

If you think it's an excuse, go back and watch the fight. For two rounds, BJ Penn demolished Matt Hughes. Destroyed him standing up, and put him in a couple of tight submission attempts where Matt was saved by the bell at the end of Round 2. Then they come back for Round 3 and Penn has his arms down and looks wasted. Matt Hughes is very lucky to have won that fight.

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Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne

i don't remember Penn at ANY time "beating Matts ass".

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Then watch their first fight and the first two rounds of their second.

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Originally Posted by Saint of Killers

Penn > Hughes.

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Agreed. At the time I thought the loss was the result of a lack of sufficient conditioning.

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Originally Posted by Gooch

Agreed. At the time I thought the loss was the result of a lack of sufficient conditioning.

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im sure it didnt help matters.

Can someone tell me why the Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva fight never took place? I don't watch all the time but I remember Silva getting in the ring and saying he was going to fight Chuck and for some reason it never went down.

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Originally Posted by MarkRyan

His ribs separated when he was rolling around with Hughes, not by anything Hughes intentionally did to Penn.

If you think it's an excuse, go back and watch the fight. For two rounds, BJ Penn demolished Matt Hughes. Destroyed him standing up, and put him in a couple of tight submission attempts where Matt was saved by the bell at the end of Round 2. Then they come back for Round 3 and Penn has his arms down and looks wasted. Matt Hughes is very lucky to have won that fight.Then watch their first fight and the first two rounds of their second.

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Bullshit. You go back and watch the fight. I admit Hughes was getting beat, but what hurt Penn's ribs was a kick to his ribs.

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Originally Posted by Glass Joe

Can someone tell me why the Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva fight never took place? I don't watch all the time but I remember Silva getting in the ring and saying he was going to fight Chuck and for some reason it never went down.

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It was supposed to happen in November, but after Silva got killed by Mirko in September there didn't seem to be much point in it, plus Silva needed recovery time so the fight got postponed. I think he'll have to win a couple more fights and build himself back up before they schedule a match with Liddell.

I read yesterday that Arlovski and Mirko are both on the UFC 70 card now, but it's unlikely they'll be put against each other just yet. That's the kind of match they'll need lots of time to hype up.

i don't agree with that at all.. there is a huge point to the silva vs chuck flight taking place... and silva's loss to cro cop shouldn't have any effect of silva's reputation or standings in his respected weight class since it was an open weight tourney and cro cop is way bigger.

i'm guessing the flight didn't take place due to money issues.