So I looked but haven't seen a thread for this, and a trailer just showed up on Youtube, so I think that rates a thread. It actually looks pretty good.
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So I looked but haven't seen a thread for this, and a trailer just showed up on Youtube, so I think that rates a thread. It actually looks pretty good.
Dang, I know this was rumored to be in the works but I had no idea they were going through with it or were that far along in making/being finished with it.
John McTiernan directed the only decent Die Hard movies IMHO. The only reason I was kind of anticipating the fourth installment was Reginald Veljohnson reprising his role. NO REGGIE ON THIS ONE!
I hate bald Bruce Willis. He looks like a cancer patient.
I like how there aren't any lines in the trailer until the very end, just explosions. *shrugs* I don't have any complaints about them making this, I like all of them- Not everything has to be Fellini.
Die Hard 2 was awesome too, fuck off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hubbitron
As for McClaine being bald, whatever, Willis probably has a horrible hairline these days if there even is one left.
Of course... its fucking Die Hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
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Originally Posted by Mr-K
You like the naked karate man?
Die Hard is one of the best action movie series of all time. Hopefully this is as good as its predecessors.
Well, Die Hard is known for cleversh banter as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Yeah. And its lighting and camera angles.
Or maybe its just about shit blowing up.
So the guy can wear a hairpiece like Sean Connery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
This is a must see, on day one, for me...just because its Die Hard.
It took them long enough to make this movie. Now all we need is to get Indiana Jones 4 underway and we can officially remove both series from the "best film trilogy" argument.
How is it Die Hard without McClaine saying shit like "Yipee-ki-ya Mother Fucker" before blowing up an airliner? If he just blew up the airliner it just wouldn't be the same, and you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Is that Mac guy talking to him at the end there?
Agreed. I have a feeling this movie will kick all sorts of ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
This movie is going to be absolutely amazing. Although, I am kind of concerned that some of the scenes from the trailer look similar to Die Hard With a Vengeance.
Also, I think I read somewhere that the girl from Sky High (great movie by the way)...the same girl that played the main character in Final Destination 3 is going to play John Mclaine's daughter in this movie.
I love Die Hard, totally going to see this.
Wow, this came out of no where.
I wonder why they didn't just name it Die Hard 4 and not Live Free, Die Hard?
Well, Die Hard 3: Die Hard with a Vengence sort of gave you a hint about the plot of the movie, so perhaps Live free or Die is a theme in the new one.
Freedom isn't free.
For some reason I was thinking this was a joke when I first clicked on the YouTube link (I hadn't read any of the other comments) simply because I have heard absolutely nothing about this for a couple of years. Needless to say I had a fucking orgasm the second it dawned on me that it was a real legit trailer and I have to see this day fucking one.
There has never been a BAD Die Hard movie...and I don't expect this one to be the first.
Fucking awesome.
Fucking awesome.
Die Hard? Never seen. I should probably look in to that.
!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
This has a lot to live up to after Die Hard with a Vengeance, so here's hoping for the best.
You're all going to fall for it.
Hook. Line. Unt Sinka!
It's coming. Indiana Jones & the Fountain of Youth.Quote:
Originally Posted by magnifiedplaid
It just better get here before Ford is too old to lift his whip.
I know I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
Wow, didn't know they already had a trailer out for it. Looks awsome. Now I gotta watch the previous three again to refresh the series for me again.
The fountain of youth? Doesn't that essentially do the same thing as the holy grail?
'Twas a joke about Ford's age.
LOL, it's even funnier now that you mention it. I guess Lucas knew something we didn't. :p
Has the website been up for awhile or is this new?
http://www.diehardmovie.com/
http://www.livefreeordiehard.com/
Remember lethal weapon 4?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
They showed the new trailer in the Grindhouse showing and it has me pumped. After Bruce Willis sends the car he's driving up into the air and crashing into a helicopter, this brilliant exchange between Bruce Willis and his new sidekick occurred.
--You killed a helicopter with a car!
--I was out of bullets.
Definitely can't wait to see this one.
I just creamed my pants because of that line.
Rant of the Year::lol: at the rant. :cry: at what it's about.Quote:
FOX - Vern has some words for you about the pansy-assing of the 4th DIE FLACCID movie.
A reader named Ed Wilson tipped me off to the following outrageous lunacy:
"In June's VANITY FAIR, it states that Bruce Willis was initially
disappointed that his fourth DIE HARD film will likely be cut to get a PG-13
rating rather than an R. 'I really wanted this one to live up to the promise
of the first one, which I always thought was the only really good one.' And
he's not happy about it. 'That's a studio decision that is becoming more and
more common, because they're trying to reach a broader audience. It seems
almost a courageous move to give a picture an R rating these days. But we
still made a pretty hardcore, smashmouth film.'"
Dearest 19th Century Fox:
Howdy. Name's Vern, nice to meet you. I am writing to ask you one question. WHAT IN GOD'S NAME ARE YOU JOKERS TRYING TO PULL?
Before you blow me off to go bathe in that champagne/money/panda blood mixture you have in your hot tub, please be aware that I am not speaking as a member of the internet community, or associate of the nerd community. I think ALL communites agree with me on this, except maybe the Amish, who don't watch movies and are therefore neutral. I am speaking as an American, and as a citizen of the world. You can't fucking do that to DIE HARD.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the movie was called LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD. But from what Vanity Fair is saying here, it sounds more like LIVE FREE OR DIE-- WELL, LET'S NOT DIE TOO HARD, THERE ARE CHILDREN PRESENT. Which, in my opinion, is not as good of a title.
Now, I know what you're thinking. If we make a horrible movie for babies and make it PG-13, it will make lots of money. The movies that make money these days are worthless garbage intentionally designed to be of a low quality, intelligence and entertainment value, in order to lower standards, make people stupider, destroy our culture and make short-term, tainted money for our evil corporation. Okay, fair enough. You know your business, I can't argue with your money piles.
But let me remind you of a couple movies you guys had something to do with.
Exhibit A: DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE, aka DIE HARD 3
Exhibit B: DIE HARD 2, aka DIE HARDER
Exhibit C: DIE HARD, aka GREATEST AMERICAN ACTION MOVIE OF ALL TIME
There are many things these three movies have in common. Two of them: they made you all kinds of money (untainted money that you could be proud of) and they were Rated-R.
DIE HARD is a name you're gonna have a hard time living up to, even with an R-rating. The world is already skeptical. Does organic John McClane have to be updated to the CGI world to fight computer hackers? We don't know. We're not sure about this role playing vampire sissy being the director, either. Some people have trouble with the title LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD, even though it's awesome. The trailer is pretty good, but you've got a bald, fearless John McClane we have to get used to, plus you teamed him with that smarmy prick from the Mac commercials, and I know I personally came VERY close to ritualistically burning myself in front of your offices when I found out you put Kevin Smith in the movie as a wacky computer genius. I bet you ten bucks Argyle (limo driver from part 1) could take him in a fight, hack into a database faster than him AND direct a better movie. But that's beside the point.
My point is that you have alot going against you. I, as a die hard DIE HARD die hard, am willing to give you a chance. I am praying for a real DIE HARD. The world of action cinema NEEDS a real DIE HARD. Let me tell you something. I am not like Harry, I don't get sent the scoops all the time. But a while back, as filming was starting up on this thing, somebody sent me the script. People were up in arms against this thing, the word that was leaking out was not inspiring confidence, and I think the idea was that I would read it, I would be outraged at how it was a bad DIE HARD sequel, and I would start some kind of online crusade against it and try to get them to stop and rewrite or something.
What I did instead, I didn't read the script, not even the first page. I was suspecting that this probaly would be an unworthy sequel. But on the off chance that it wasn't I didn't want to ruin it for myself. I wanted to go into that theater, sit down and see a brand new fuckin DIE HARD movie. And if not be "blown through the back of the theater," at least there would be a cool breeze of awesomeness blowing me lightly against the back of my seat, and cooling me off on a hot June day. What could be better than that? I'm keeping my hopes up. I've been rationalizing away all the parts that look bad and keeping my fingers crossed.
But if you cut the movie for babies, you finally lost me. I don't know if I would even pay to see that shit. If I did I might not admit it to anybody.
You know what a PG-13 action movie is? It's THE MARINE starring John Cena. Not a good movie, not a profitable movie. It's HALF PAST DEAD, Steven Seagal's only PG-13 movie, which also happens to be his last theatrical movie. Hmmm, that's odd, I wonder how that happened? When people name their favorite American studio action movies, they're gonna talk about DIE HARD, LETHAL WEAPON, PREDATOR, maybe UNDER SIEGE, maybe SPEED. If you want to go even more sci-fi than PREDATOR you could include TERMINATOR 1&2, THE MATRIX, ALIENS, ROBOCOP, TOTAL RECALL, etc. All rated-R movies, all good movies, all profitable movies. That's how you die hard. PG-13 is not dying hard.
As a measure of caution, I am asking all movie writers to pull a nerd-Hans-Grueber and hold the title hostage. Do not use the word "HARD" on the title until we have been given proof of a hard rating. As long as there is a chance of a dishonorable PG-13, please only refer to this one as DIE SOFT, DIE LIMP, DIE WEAK, DIE FEEBLE, DIE FRAGILE, DIE COMPROMISED, DIE IN A PUDDLE OF YOUR OWN URINE AFRAID OF FACING THE CONSEQUENCES OF BEING A MAN, etc. I personally will follow this rule and I hope my colleagues will as well.
If you make this PG-13, you might get your opening weekend, it might be as big as if it was R. On the other hand, people might say "What? A new DIE HARD? Where he's bald? And the title is funny? And the Macintosh guy is in it? And fucking Silent Bob? And it's PG-13? I don't want to see that shit!" Or, "Bruce Willis said it was supposed to be R-rated, and he was really disappointed, I'll just wait until the real, actual adult version of the movie is available for free, illegal, non-Fox-money-giving download after some pissed off studio employee leaks it."
And the 13-16 year olds you're banking the legacy of DIE HARD on will say "that old guy from 16 BLOCKS is supposed to be tough? Ha ha" and then they will pout sullenly as they text each other and listen to crappy music on iPods. And this might make the Macintosh wacky sidekick guy happy, but it will not get you any money. Which, in this ugly scenario, will be the fate you deserve.
Keep in mind, a 16 year old today was 4 years old when the last (and not even best) DIE HARD came out. Do you think he or she gives a fuck about DIE HARD? And if so, isn't that odd, that somehow he or she has seen an R-rated movie? It's almost as if it can be profitable to release R-rated movies. Weird.
And before you pull some kind of cheap "yeah, but GRINDHOUSE was Rated-R and it lost money" bullshit, remember this: BRUCE WILLIS WAS IN GRINDHOUSE. What are you gonna do, cut him out of LIVE FREE OR DIE FRAIL just to be safe? Come on, people.
Best case scenario, moneywise: you make a ton of money on it. But everybody feels ripped off. Your precious franchise is dead forever. The shine on an American classic gets a little less bright. Everybody starts associating the real DIE HARD with this horse shit and thinking it's not as good as they remembered it. You sell less copies when the old, actual genuine made-for-adults good DIE HARD movies come out on HD-DVD, BLU-RAY and whatever other futuristic formats come into existence. Nobody will even consider making a new sequel or video game or downloadable ringtone or Happy Meal toy. When you die, you will realize that in the long run you could've made more money on this DIE HARD thing, and without having to shame an entire country to do it. You could've held your head proud instead of saying, "yeah, but this is a business, we are not here to do good things for the world and humanity, we are here to steal their money and then rationalize it by saying that ultimately it is a business."
And the real kicker will be when you realize that the stress caused by knowing the damage you had done to cinema and culture had made you ill, causing your last years to be miserable. If only you had known now what you will know then. That you could've had it both ways. You could've lived free AND died hard.
Yipee kay yay, etc.
I'm not gonna call out any studio head names, I don't know who's responsible. But for God's sake - listen to Bruce. DIE HARD is for grown ups. And for kids who are allowed to go to R-rated movies with grownups. It is part of a long tradition of dads taking their kids to see R-rated movies, and making them think their dad is cool. If you pull this punk PG-13 move their dads will no longer be cool. The American family could fall apart.
Do the right thing, pal. There is a clear path to follow here. What do you think John McClane would do? Would he sissy out? Fuck no. You know who you are in DIE HARD - you're Ellis. Go back and watch it. I think you'll be interested to find out what happens to Ellis.
Don't blow it, buddy. Don't be Ellis. Be a man. Don't die soft. You know how you want to die.
thanks bud,
Vern
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http://www.lulu.com/outlawvern
PG13 + Underworld director = forget this shit.
No Commando on this list? Article invalidated; author has no taste in action movies.Quote:
When people name their favorite American studio action movies, they're gonna talk about DIE HARD, LETHAL WEAPON, PREDATOR, maybe UNDER SIEGE, maybe SPEED. If you want to go even more sci-fi than PREDATOR you could include TERMINATOR 1&2, THE MATRIX, ALIENS, ROBOCOP, TOTAL RECALL, etc. All rated-R movies, all good movies, all profitable movies. That's how you die hard. PG-13 is not dying hard.
This news is going to ruin my day.
TLDR.
While it doesn't make it right, or even alright for that matter, at least we can hope for an unrated version on dvd. Otherwise, I'm not paying to watch this neutered shit.
For anybody curious, here are the "rules" for PG-13:
source: http://www.natoonline.org/CARA%20Rul...ns%20CHART.pdf.Quote:
Any drug use will initially require at least a PG-13 rating. More than brief nudity will require at least a PG-13 rating, but such nudity in a PG-13 rated motion picture generally will not be sexually oriented. There may be some depictions of violence in a PG-13 movie, but generally not realistic, intense, extreme or persistent violence. A motion picture’s single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive, initially requires at least a PG-13 rating. More than one such expletive requires an R rating, as must even one of those words used in a sexual context. The Rating Board nevertheless may rate such a motion picture PG-13 if, based on a special vote by two-thirds majority, the Raters feel that most American parents would believe that a PG-13 rating is appropriate because of the context or manner in which the words are used or because the use of those words in the motion picture is inconspicuous.
I guess John McClane will not be able to deliver his catch phrase with full effect.
Just a "Yippee kay-ay" without the 'motherfucker' doesn't sound right.
Bruce Willis is so old.
And yeah, saying "motherfucker" is a no-no in a PG-13 movie. Gay.
No, he'll be able to say it once, but it would be the only F-bomb in the cartoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Konketsu
I will not support this movie with a PG-13 rating.
I would, however, go against that if they made it for R and released it in TBS fashion in the theater, with voices that are obviously not the real actors dubbed over the swearing and scenes missing in odd ways whenever the violence gets bloody (or SNES style with "sweat" pouring out of the actors).
Commando was horrific and not in the same league as DH 1-3, Terminator, or any other action movie that was average or better.Quote:
Originally Posted by portnoyd
Die, pls.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
It's a generational thing. We old people aren't as ironic as you young guys, so when something is awful, we don't necessarily embrace it.
Sorry, but any movie that depicts someone being shot at by ~15 people with machine guns in an open area and all of them missing just gets an immediate thumbs down from me. It was laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Fuck you. It was totally realistic. Totally.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
Besides, Terminator was realistic? Die Hard 1- 3 were realistic?
If you can't see the difference between a "B" Arnie movie and DH's/Terminator's, then I can't help you. Fuck you, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
If you couldn't tell that I was kidding when I said that Commando of all movies was "totally realistic," you need help.
Yippie-Ky-Yae, motherfucker.
"Let off some steam ... Bennett!"
Hilarious.
"One of the most recognizable faces on the screen, Bruce Wilson"
"Yippie Kay aye Mother Fucker!"
Violent, kickboomsplode, yet catchy. gg
awesome rant by that guy on the PG13. I would be more upset, but I already had 0 expectations for this movie after the last 2 sequels killed it. Not seeing it either way.
It sucks what happened to this series. The first is one of the best action flicks ever.
So was the 2nd
All three Die Hards kicked ass!The forth one will kill it!
Commando ruled. Chasing Sully through the mall, then in a high-speed chase, then dropping him off a cliff and telling the chick he "let him go"? That's hardcore classic.
I'm so fucking tired of these bullshit CGI PG-13 bastardizations of our classic action movies. First Alien vs. Predator, now this? Shiny looking movies with familiar characters and zero soul. I finally saw the Hitcher remake, and I actually enjoyed it because it had old-fashioned R rated violence and writing (probably because Eric Red was involved with the script). If this really is PG-13 then I refuse to watch it. First our music was ruined by 15 year old douchebags, now our American action movies? Fuck that.
Remember this? Apparently it got Brucies attention. He created an account and started trolling the thread. At first he just said he was some guy who worked on the production and had scene the final cut, then later admitted he was Bruce. He went on iChat with some dude and basically looked like the goof he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordPerrin
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...1&d=1179286762
That's pretty funny.
It would have been even funnier if Bruce then started banging underage children on the webcam.
I fucking love Bruce Willis.
THEN WHY DON'T YOU MARRY HIM?
MAYBE I WILL!
Can I be the flower girl?
Only if you wear assless pants.
I think ad this tells us exactly what to expect from a PG-13 Die Hard movie.
Every bus in my area has that on it. I want to rip it off and keep it.
I like how they are using the SCSA theme for the movie quote. That's like so 1996.
First 10 minutes of the film:
http://www.kino-govno.com/?trailers&id=diehard4
Looked decent enough, once action started.
The Ballad of John McLane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stuih...elated&search=
Nope, he's not allowed to say his stupid catchphrase.
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Originally Posted by AICN
No mother fucking swearing. Fucking bullshit!
I hate the PC world we live in. People need to lighten the fuck up!
Justin Long seems likes he is going to be fucking annoying in this movie. It seems like he'll be that "annoying whiny bitch sidekick character" (i.e. The Asian kid and annoying Blonde chick from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom). He irritated me a lot in the 8 minute clip I saw.
In a way its not really fair to him though, because nobody is going to live up to being a good sidekick after Samuel L. Jackson already did it.
Just don't go watch it. It bothers me that much that I'd skip it unless an R or uncensored version hits DVDs.
I'll be happy if he says it (uncensored) at the end at least where its more effective.
Honestly, I don't give one tenth of one shit about this movie. And I loved the first 3.
I want to see it.
Anyone see Be Cool?
I believe you are able to say "fuck" once in a pg 13 movie. So what's the problem?
Two times seems to be the gold standard, though at least one movie has edged through with a third mumbled. When Willis was ranting about this movie under an alias on AICN I believe he was saying that three times was the limit (though didn't specify whether or not they actually had three "fuck"s in DH4).Quote:
Originally Posted by John Cena
That's a sacrilege. If they're going to have it in there, HAVE HIM SAY THE WHOLE MOTHERFUCKING THING, not this "Yippee-kai-yea, motherfu-BANG!" shit. Bruce's being upset is justified. Something like this does seem to bode well that a Director's Cut with the language and full-on violence restored is coming to DVD, however. *fingers crossed*Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Let's hope Beverly Hills Cop 4 doesn't get demoted to PG-13 as well.
Ocean's 11 got away with one use of it, namely Yen's "Where the fuck ya' been?".Quote:
Originally Posted by John Cena
Anybody seen it yet? Please don't forget spoiler tags!
It's out?
I'll be seeing it tonight, but yea, it's out.
I haven't seen it yet, but I'd be willing to bet that, at the end of the movie, Bruce Willis kills all the bad guys single-handedly and rescues his daughter. Just a guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Meach
You totally just ruined it for me! Argh! ;)
Sorry. I'll use spoiler tags, starting now. Bruce dies of AIDS at the end. He caught it from his daughter.
:lol:
Yippie-ki-AIDS motherfuckerQuote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
lol and awesome.
The ratings system is all over the board with how my times is acceptable. I know the movie Hero (The one with Dustin Hoffman) says it at least 4 times if not more. I've heard it in a few PG movies as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
I just got back from seeing it. It's shit.
Please, Hollywood, stay away from computers! You know nothing about them or how they work, and every time you try to pretend you do it just looks stupid.
James
Damn, are you serious about it sucking? Most disappointing thing I've heard all day.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
Well, the other people in the theater seemed to like it, so don't take my opinion as the final word. It's just that, even by action movie standards, I didn't believe any of the action scenes. I'm more than willing to suspend disbelief and have a good time with a wonderfully stupid movie, but this went past that all the way into silly.
James
Just got back from seeing it.
I didn't think it was a bad movie, some of it's really over the top but still enjoyable. If it wasn't associated with die hard I probably would've enjoyed it more, but I'd take this over Transporter 2 or the last 2 Brosnan Bond movies.
They should've worked a lot harder on the cgi in this film, that hurt it more than the lack of swearing imo, it's 2007, why is it so hard find people who know what the hell they're doing? The only movie I've seen this year with worse cgi was FF, almost every scene with Mr. Fantastic using his powers looked down right retarded
I just got back from seeing this, and its a really fucking good movie. All the bitching that the movie is only PG13 needs to stop.
This movie delivers the action that you would expect from a Die Hard movie, the "cyber terrorism" thing actually works better on screen than it seems it would, Justin Long wasn't THAT annoying, and the movie was certainly entertaining from beginning to end.
Its a little upsetting that Bruce doesn't say his famous catch phrase. However, I think the way they worked around that was quite excellent.
Overall, I'd give this a 3 out of 4. Not as good as the first one (of course), light years better than the second movie, and slightly better than the third film.
EDIT - I'd have to say that the only terrible thing about this movie was Kevin Smith. Its sad, because I'm a really big fan of all of Kevin Smith's movies. However, his role in Die Hard 4 is completely unneccesary, and he does little to advance the plot...and its the only part of the movie where I felt the cyber terrorism plot didn't work...and it made that portion of the movie seem laughable. Smith's scenes should have been cut from the film.
Yeah, just saw it and enjoyed it. And I wasnt really planing on liking it with the PG-13 tacked on there. There were only like 2 scenes during this movie that highly annoyed me. One involved the aforementioned lack of our favorite swearword and the other was a completely ludicrous scene involving a fighter jet.But those didnt ruin the movie for me and besides that, I cant see what wasnt to like and dont know why James hated on it so badly.