Everyone is more profitable on non-Nintendo systems because just about the only ones buying Nintendos these days are delusional fanbots.
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Everyone is more profitable on non-Nintendo systems because just about the only ones buying Nintendos these days are delusional fanbots.
I'd respond, but there were no points made.
The Wii has been out for well over a month and you've been arguing back and forth about the system for even longer than that. Aren't you people bored with this yet?
James
It won't end until the wii apologizes for raping joust.
But the wii's to proud.... just to goddamn proud.
And Joust still can't sit down. It's a mexican standoff....Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
): I'm on my third PS2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Just got Rayman Raving Rabbids, it is a fun diversion but I wish there is more meat to the game. I know, it is a mini-game collection, but I think Warioware will be more fun. Well, this is a Xmas gift, I should not complain.
KINGOFFIGHTERS IS PRONE TO LOOKING GIFT HORSES IN THE MOUTH. DO NOT GIVE HIM PRESENTS.
Finch is like a raving rabbid. Cute, but evil.
Raving Rabbids is the only minigame-fest I've ever played that holds up in single player (going for high scores is satisfying). I exchanged it because it wasn't the kind of game I was in the mood for at the time, but I plan on buying it again eventually.
Which means it was actually worth re-buying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finch
I'm debating Warioware since Wii Play got pushed back a month. I may even keep one of the wiimotes I bought and just make Wii Play the third one. Does Rayman look like it'll be better for two players? I'm picking it up in a few days for the SO and myself to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingoffighters
Super Swing Golf rocks, btw. I couldn't put it down for an hour.
I rented Raving Rabbids last week and was shocked by how bad the game was. Granted, I only played like 10 minigames, but given how shallow and just plain stupid they were, I honestly could not get myself to keep playing to find more. Its the only game I've played on Wii so far that I would classify as a complete gimmick.
It is better for two players, but most of it is two people passing one controller back and forth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirvana
New Wii games down the pipe! From my new favorite publisher, Ubisoft
http://www.revogamers.net/fullNews.php?newsId=680
Cosmic Family, Driver Paralel Lines, Brothers In Arms D-Day and Spelling Spree
Apparently Nintendo's next-gen is so revolutionary it comes with a time machine
I got 2 Wiis from TRU today. =] If my gf's mom still wants one, I'll give it to her and sell the other one. If she doesn't want it, I'll most likely keep one and sell the other, but I'll probably end up selling both.
I loled and seriosuly a 2 year old driver and the psp brother in arms come the fuck on.Quote:
Apparently Nintendo's next-gen is so revolutionary it comes with a time machine
:wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
UbiSoft is really sucking ass on the Wii.
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Originally Posted by PBMax
Its the Wii really sucking ass on the Ubisoft.
Did anyone see that mario kart 64 is coming to the VC in japan? If they don't add online to that they are truly hopeless.
That would be a snappy comeback if it made any sense at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiMoogle
I don't know what's up with Ubisoft, but this shovelware attitude they're working on needs to stop. I'll grant that the follow-through on the Wii library's great start is pretty weak, but crapping out a spelling game and a PSP port isn't the way to do it. Nintendo needs to learn how to say No, and maybe smack Ubisoft on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper for good measure.
James
It did make sense though. Most (hell, if not ALL) western pubs are not going to put their all-star talent on Wii projects.
dude, seriously, for however many years i have seen you post, you have never been neutral on anything i have seen you post about, dont front. you were slamming the wii before it came out, except with the throwaway line about how the metal slug collection would get you to buy one. so just be honest, and dont pretend you were ever neutral on the topic just for a quick cheap shot at spoo, you are better than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
There's a pretty big leap from putting their all-star talent on a project to just lazily porting old games that in some cases they didn't even think were worth publishing the first time around. That's EA-level bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Welcome to the new gen. Low third party sales on good games + machine that cannot compete = this.
Where are you getting the low sales numbers from? You're going to want to offer some backup on that statement, because the Wii had a hell of a good Christmas season despite the shortages.
James
Joust doesn't operate on facts. Just truthiness.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
Unfortunately he's not starring in a comedy news show. He's serious.
He didn't say anything about Wii system sales.
We're clear on that point, thanks.
James
Can Nintendo really afford to do that with one of the biggest 3rd party publishers out there? Granted, losing shitty support wouldn't be all that big a loss, but still, I don't think Nintendo has enough clout with publishers anymore to chastise anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
Couldn't really say, honestly, but with the DS in their corner you'd think they'd have some clout. Every system gets its share of shovelware (NRA Gun Club anyone?) but the ratio of good titles to bad needs to be strong enough to support it.
James
WWHLD?
What would Howard Lincoln do?
TIUTA.
Take It Up The Ass.
"because the Wii had a hell of a good Christmas season despite the shortages"
While I was not necessarily talking about the Wii, it still held true for it. The attach ratio was 2:1 in November (not sure what December was yet). Seeing as how Zelda is half that figure, that means that 1 3rd party game was sold per system. That's not good. The DS is in the same boat. Even though the system and Nintendo software is a juggernaut, DS games don't sell. I think LTD in the US is a little over 1 non-Nintendo game per system. The 360, conversely, has sold over 5 games per system, and most of that comes from 3rd parties. In fact, the 360 has sold almost as much software in the US as the DS. It's good that Nintendo makes a profit per system.
Third parties don't just look at a system's sales and say "Dang, big user base." User base means nothing if no one buys games outside of Nintendo games. People need to stop perpetuating this "DS is a behemoth and will rule the world" myth. The system and Nintendo games sell. That's about it. This isn't Japan (thank God).
Hear hear!Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
OMG ME 2!Quote:
Originally Posted by Finch
If you want myths just read the BS you spew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Below are lists -- from your favorite Web site, vgcharts.org -- showing all third party DS games that sold more than 100,000 copies in North America and Japan.
Not only are both lists substantial, the North American list actually has two more titles than the Japanese list.
So you're flat wrong on both counts -- third party DS games do sell, and they sell in North America.
North America (35 Titles):
Spiderman: The Movie 2 DS Activision 423,500
Zoo Tycoon DS THQ 359,000
The Sims 2 DS EA 346,000
Sonic Rush DS Sega 338,000
Asphalt: Urban GT DS Ubisoft 284,500
Urbz: Sims In the City DS EA 237,000
Madden NFL 2005 DS EA 233,000
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow DS Konami 230,000
Cars DS THQ 226,500
Over the Hedge DS Activision 197,500
Star Wars Episode III: RotS DS Ubisoft 190,500
Final Fantasy III DS Square 168,000
Need for Speed: Most Wanted DS EA 159,500
Harry Potter... Goblet of Fire DS EA 159,000
Madagascar DS Activision 157,000
YuGiOh: Nightmare DS Konami 153,000
SpongeBob: Yellow Avenger DS THQ 150,000
Chronicles of Narnia DS Buena Vista 148,500
Ultimate Spiderman DS Activision 142,500
Lego Star Wars II DS LucasArts 138,500
Shrek Superslam DS Activision 138,000
Tony Hawk: American Sk8land DS Activision 136,000
Trauma Center: Under the Knife DS Atlus 129,000
Ridge Racer DS DS Namco 126,000
Robots DS Vivendi 121,000
Rayman DS DS Ubisoft 120,000
Madden NFL 06 DS EA 115,000
Dragonball Z: Supersonic 2 DS Atari 114,000
Spyro: Shadow Legacy DS Vivendi 109,500
Feel the Magic XY/XX DS Sega 104,500
Harvest Moon DS Natsume 104,000
Need for Speed: Underground 2 DS EA 103,500
Tiger Woods PGA 2005 DS EA 103,000
GoldenEye: Rogue Agent DS EA 102,000
Burnout Legends DS EA 101,000
Japan (33 Titles):
Tamogotchi Connection DS Bandai 1,162,250
Final Fantasy III DS DS Square 937,500
Love and Berry DS Collection DS Sega 752,500
Tamogotchi Connection 2 DS Bandai 729,000
Slime Mori Mori Dragon Quest 2 DS Enix 327,250
Dragonball Z: Supersonic 2 DS Bandai 308,250
Seiken Densetsu DS DS Square 304,250
Kanji Quiz DS Rocket Company 261,250
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney DS Capcom 247,000
Naruto 3 DS Tomy 233,750
Digimon Story DS Bandai 214,000
Rockman Star Force DS Capcom 211,250
Mushi King: Greatest Champion DS Sega 200,500
Puzzle Series Vol. 3: Sudoku DS Hudson 187,750
200 Mannin Kanji DS IE Institute 179,500
Shiren Mysterious Dungeon DS Sega 151,500
World Soccer Winning Eleven DS Konami 149,000
Naruto RPG 2 DS Tomy 144,250
Powerful Pro Pocket 8 DS Konami 143,250
Tales of the Tempest DS Namco 135,000
Harvest Moon: Colobocle Station DS Marvelus 134,000
Perfect Kanji Ability DS TDK 125,750
Bleach DS DS Sega 125,500
Machigae Museum DS Namco 121,000
Naruto 4 DS Tomy 117,000
Rockman EXE 5 DS Double Team DS Capcom 110,500
Rune Factory: Harvest Moon DS DS Marvelus 109,000
Power Pocket Koushien DS Konami 107,750
Yugioh: Nightmare Troubadour DS Konami 105,750
Feel the Magic XY/XX DS Sega 105,250
Mushi King 2 DS DS Sega 104,250
Harvest Moon: Colobocle Station for Girls DS Marvelus 102,500
Pac-Pix DS Namco 100,500
You do realize he's just going to come back about how much GTA and Madden sold in America, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by PBMax
Then, you're going to respond that the PSP sells like shit in Japan or something.
Then, he's going to say that Japan sucks and isn't worth mentioning.
Then it's going to go on.
Forever.
Both of you. Stop. Please.
This is Joust. Ignore him.
LOL, PBMax's list just proved my point. There are 21 3rd party titles on PSP with over 200K sales, and half a dozen over 500K.
See?
Yep, you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaoofNee
Let me get this straight; third parties don't make good Nintendo games because their good Nintendo games don't sell? Do you never smoke crack because every time you smoke crack you shit yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Your point? So, the 360 has ALMOST sold as much software in the US as the DS. And the US is pretty much all of the 360s market. Whereas the DS has sold more than the 360 in the US alone, AND it completely blows the 360 out of the water in other markets. Where are you going with this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
This makes no sense at all. You're saying that 3rd parties won't support a system, even though the user base is high, if all that is selling on the system is first party titles. Isn't that round-about logic? First, 3rd parties have to support the system in order to have poor sales. Of course most of the sales are going to be Nintendo games if all the games on the system are Nintendo games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Your argument doesn't make the least bit of sense. In Japan, where the DS user base is HUGE, the DS has gained a LOT of 3rd party support (name me one quality Japanese developer that isn't making games on the system). In other words, if the system has a lot of users, then it will gain support. Now I know you don't give a shit about japan, so lets look at the US. The DS user base is large, but by no means is it completely in charge of the market. Do you see US developers supporting the DS? Not as much as the Japanese, thats for sure. If the DS had as large of a user base in the US as it does in Japan, I can guarantee you it would be receiving more 3rd party support in the west. The DS doesn't lack western 3rd party support because nintendo games sell and 3rd party games don't, it lacks 3rd party support because it doesn't have a behemoth user base in the US market.
And uh, why are we arguing this again?
"third parties don't make good Nintendo games because their good Nintendo games don't sell?"
Bingo. When they make one, it doesn't sell. That means, over time, they make fewer games for it! Not a hard concept. And Taekwando or whatever the hell, I brought it up because someone said "Wii sucking ass on Ubisoft" didn't make sense. I was just showing that it did.
And this is completely the fault of the 3rd party. Either they're making a game for the wrong demographic, or the game is shit, or they just don't know how to market. Thats why the games "don't sell", as you put it. That has nothing to do with "nintendo sells the most games on nintendo systems and thats why 3rd party games don't sell". Developers go to where their market demographic is, not necessarily to where 1st party games sell the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Regardless of whose fault it is, it doesn't change the fact that developers over here just don't care about the Wii.
Stop transforming your dumb statements into "predictions" when called out on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
As for Ubisoft, they're treading a dangerous path. The last third party I remember releasing this much garbage to get a jump start on a new console was Acclaim.
What have I been called out on?
No good third party games or support on Nintendo systems.
So you mean to tell me third party support is getting better? You mean to tell me that Western devs give a crap about Wii? Please show me where this is the case, where it rivals the other two systems for Western support even one tiny bit. Personally, I'd rather take this to PMs or XBL if you'd like.
...ok great. American developers don't care for the Wii... and yet... the system is still selling in the USA... odd. Could it be that games can sell outside of the region in which they're developed? Your entire argument is centered around "the Wii is a failure because I like western games and it doesn't have any." Well great for you, play your 360, thats what its there for. For people who happen to enjoy Japanese games, there's the Wii and the DS. Wow, everyone wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
We were talking about Ubisoft...I didn't realize they were Japanese.
No, I mean to tell you to stop contradicting yourself every other post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
I haven't contradicted myself at all. And with that, no more of this shittiness tonight. BYE
Thats odd....Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
For some reason you didn't mention Ubisoft anywhere in there, though I did see you say "third parties", which is what I was arguing against you for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
These Wii threads are the worst things ever.
If you like the games on Wii, get a Wii. If you like the games on 360, get a 360. If you like both, get both. If you can't afford both, get a better job.
Arguing about support is pointless. If you don't think there's enough support yet, don't get one. If you do, go ahead and buy one. If you're unsure about future support, then hold off. It's all very simple.
Console flamewars are so 16 bit.
16 bit was the golden age.Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
I agree with everything you said; the problem is the 360 trolls that derive self worth from their overheating hardware. Speaking of which, yesterday after leaving the 360 downloading demos for 10 hours I returned to find that the room with the 360 in it was 8 degrees warmer than the rest of the house. Buy it for the games, keep it for the spaceheater.
Devs love Wii
Finally, Famitsu put all three systems against one another. In the category of system sales, 60% of those surveyed expect Wii to come out on top. PS3 took 37% of the vote compared to Xbox 360's 3%. The PS3's price point was cited as reason for the low expectations.
Most developers want to try out Wii development. 63% selected Wii as the system they most want to develop for, compared to the PS3's 32% and the Xbox 360's 5%.
Wii also won out in the category of which system the developers want the most, personally. 49% selected the Nintendo hardware. PS3 was chosen by 42%, with Xbox 360 coming in last at 9%.
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions...union_id=10395
On a final note, Pachter explained his comments are "not a slam on the US publishers, but [he], like everybody else, [doesn't] know who's going to capitalize on Wii."
"I didn't think publishers [knew how cool the Wii was] until they got their hands on it," Pachter said. "I don't know how Ubisoft figured it out. Let's give them a lot of credit. Their ahead of everybody right now."
http://www.thewiire.com/news/317/1/A..._on_Wii_Launch
Jesus Fucking Christ.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoleTroll
So the Japanese don't like the 360?Quote:
Originally Posted by RoleTroll
WOW, what cutting edge up to the minute news you're bringing us.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
Please stop console dick fencing. It's not entertaining.
Here are some pictures from the cutting edge of Wii development:Quote:
Originally Posted by RoleTroll
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/ar...9051916165.jpg
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/ar...1083022237.jpg
I thought I was going to have to use the [ simg ] tags, but the shots are only 480 pixels tall. I wonder why.
So what, you still going to buy one as soon as you see it sitting there all pretty, calling out your name "Yoshi yoshi desu ne"
Yes, yes I am. That's due to me being weak, not because the damn thing deserves my business.
It is, and Joust knows it. You can say anything even sort of neutral about Nintendo and the Seal of Approval badge-holders storm the thread looking for circular arguments and endless counterpointing over pointless subjects.Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
Whatever makes them so concerned about damage control and hive protection over a brand name isn't something I'll ever understand.
"Hive protection"
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Way to twist my argument into something supporting the Nintendo side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stibbons
I didn't. I love you.Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
I fail at reading comprehension today.
So you will buy a system if it was made by Johnson & Johnson? Now in lemon scent!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Especially if it was in lemon scent.
I would purchase a lemon scent console.
Game Factory is on board! Legend of the Dragon game announced for Wii
"We are thrilled to be publishing for the WiiTM," said Henrik Mathiasen, Game Factory's President. "While the Xbox 360 and Sony PlayStation 3 next-gen consoles have really captured the imagination of the more mature gamer, at Game Factory we're really excited about the potential impact WiiTM will have on the children's market, as this is obviously our forte."
Come on Babar game for the WII!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
:lol: :lol: :lol:
The lack of 360 love doesn't surprise me at all. This is Japan, remember? Welcome to 2001. The Xbox brand has been successful despite Japan's apathy, as were the N64 and the Genesis before it. These days, the region's importance are grossly overrated, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoleTroll
I find it odd that 360 developers were excited about the console's capabilities long before it was released, and there were multiple reactions on both sides concerning the PS3 before it was released too, yet publishers "didn't know how cool the Wii was until they got their hands on it"? :wtf:Quote:
On a final note, Pachter explained his comments are "not a slam on the US publishers, but [he], like everybody else, [doesn't] know who's going to capitalize on Wii."
"I didn't think publishers [knew how cool the Wii was] until they got their hands on it," Pachter said. "I don't know how Ubisoft figured it out. Let's give them a lot of credit. Their ahead of everybody right now."
The Wii is fun, I'm still enjoying it, finding most of my play time going to excite truck. I find it funny how Yoshi and Joust both jump on Spo and Roletroll for defending Nintendo viciously talking of how disgusted they are in Nintendo fans and look, they are doing the exact same thing with the same stupid fanatacism for 360. There is no difference between the four other than allegiances.
OMFG 360 SOLD DOUBLE WHAT WII DID LOL LOL THATS SO COOL WITH ATTACH RATES AND SHIT AMIRITE GUYS?
Reminds me of grade 2 when people would argue
"Oh yeah? Well my dad could beat up your dad!"
"OH YEAH, WELL MY DAD DRIVES A BIGGER TRUCK!"
in conclusion, shut the fuck up you morons, trolling is supposed to be funny, and this has been far too repetitive for that.
NO YOU FUCK OFFQuote:
Originally Posted by Spent
It's a gimmick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spent
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by Stibbons
Anyways, I got to use the Wii today thanks to a friend loaning me his system and loved it. The Wii remote is more accurate than I thought it would be, and after about 30 minutes of Zelda, controlling it with the remote/nunchuk combo came naturally. I was disappointed by how loud and tinny the sound effects coming out of the remote were, but it didn't bother me too much.
You can turn down the volume on the remote if you want. Press the home button on the controller, and select the first player controller with the cursor. It should let you turn the volume down, as well as turn off/on the rumble. But yeah, the quality itself of the speaker is a little... less than stellar.
NINTENDO CARES ABOUT GAMERS!Quote:
Originally Posted by TaekwondoNJ
I'd rather a shitty speaker than a shitty d-pad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Gamecube says hi.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
Small does not equal shitty. Just small. Maybe annoyingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Nintendo of Japan must have approved it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=230057
$50 for Bust a Move? Give me a break, Majesco, that's a $20 game at best.
I hate next-gen price gouging, no matter what system it's on.
James
You gotta remember...this is the system for people who never played games. They don't know the difference. We say "Old ass series that has gotten shittier with almost every incarnation?" They say "Colors! fun let me waggle my arms"
Well, I think Spo and Joust are actually more committed. Yoshi and I are just enjoying the fray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spent
Bomberman Act: Zero is now $40, down a whopping $10 from it's original $50 price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
James
I haven't had my Wii hooked up in a couple weeks now because I'm playing 360 nonstop. I'm not nearly the fanboy the 360 trolls make me out to be, it's just the only way they can digest opinions different from their own about Nintendo.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoleTroll
Just picked up Doom 3 Limited Edition for $16 at Circuit City, seems like a good deal since it's all 3 Doom games on one disc (as opposed to $10 for just Doom on XBLA).
Sell me one pls.Quote:
Originally Posted by aren
I SAW A WII AT BEST BUY TODAY! I didn't buy it though. I had it in my hands and started looking at what games I would get, I proceeded to put it down and wait a long while until I get one because there really isn't anything I want to play all that much.
It was good to see one in a store though, and it was even better to know I have enough will power to pass on 2 new systems with no games even though I'm a sucker for new technology.
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/ar...4043256429.jpg
Clearly EA is really stepping up to the plate with ssx blur.
Well, at least the name's appropriate, unless that's just a shitty screen grab.
Impossible Mission is coming for Wii: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137000
lol ssx blur
I was just coming in here to mention Impossible Mission. Much as I love the game, though, I wouldn't pay over $10 for the remake no matter what system it's on. It's a great game and a true classic, sure, but unless there's some major new content added I've already played it to death.
I might fork out a bit extra for the PSP version, though. Different platform, different criteria on what makes a game worth the money.
James
Cooking Mama for Wii
What's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams