Are we a bunch of Sony haters?

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Originally Posted by RDM Brian

In terms of price, a lot of you keep spewing $600 this $600 that. A lot of people have spent as much if not more to match feature for feature that of the PS3.

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A lot more haven't.

And I would rather have the option to opt out of a feature I might not use and pay less than be forced to pay for it up front whether I want it or not. If someone with an Xbox 360 decides they want HD movies, they have the option to upgrade, but if someone with a PS3 decides they don't want HD movies they have to pay for it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Andrew

Actually Nintendo was actively researching and talking about their next system. Sony and Nintendo originally planned on co-producing a system. Their plans fell through and Sony went ahead and made their own. That's word on the street anyway.

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Sega and Sony were one step away from joining to make a console, and this was before Nintendo ever entered the picture.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

So you equate sales with quality? Name some of these mythical great Sony games. I'm sure they're at least as worthy as naming the Eye Toy.

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Word. Shadow the Hedgehog's million copies sold say hi.

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Originally Posted by MarkRyan

Gran Turismo had huge impacts on more than just gaming, but even the automotive industry (I saw a RC Skyline car at a toy store yesterday--yet who in the US knew of Skylines before Gran Turismo [no one]).

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I did, and I'm sure many others did as well. And I'd wager most of the gay Honda drivers who rice out their cars and worship some lame overpriced Nissan (zomg, it's fast and unavailable in the US, therefore it's cool) as a direct result of Gran Turismo can die in a fire and we'd all be better off.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

So you equate sales with quality? Name some of these mythical great Sony games. I'm sure they're at least as worthy as naming the Eye Toy.

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Shadow of the Colossus was good. I'm not a huge fan of Ico but people seem to like that as well.

Really I just want another Jumping Flash. :(

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Originally Posted by sethsez

Really I just want another Jumping Flash. :(

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fer reel

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Originally Posted by StriderKyo

I think it's worth noting that Gran Turismo has outsold every Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Metal Gear, Grand Theft Auto, Madden, Zelda and Halo game.

Crash Bandicoot also outsold every franchise on PS1 other than Final Fantasy.

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File that shit under sales don't equate to quality.

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Originally Posted by Andrew

Probably right, but it's not like Nintendo wasn't thinking about the future. Not to mention, as previously already mentioned, the PC market heading in that direction anyway.

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Yes, what I should have said was that Nintendo wasn't thinking about their eventual next system, the N64, they were thinking yet another 2D machine with maybe some basic 3D thrown in, not unlike the Saturn. The PC market wasn't heading that way either, it didn't even exist. Sony kicked off consumer 3D video games, and if they hadn't we'd be years behind today, no doubt about it in my mind, for reasons already mentioned.

I'm just not buying that argument. Sega didn't learn of the PlayStation's 3D intent then go and develop games like Panzer Dragoon from the ground up and have them ready for launch. Clearly the Saturn was intended to do 3D all along. I also don't believe that Sega didn't intend to port Daytona and Virtua Fighter.

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Originally Posted by outRider

The PC market wasn't heading that way either

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PC gaming was definitely heading 3d regardless of the console market. Games like Doom and Descent were the big things at the time. Even though Doom used sprites, it was still a huge deal for mainstreamizing 3d perspective.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

PC gaming was definitely heading 3d regardless of the console market. Games like Doom and Descent were the big things at the time. Even though Doom used sprites, it was still a huge deal for mainstreamizing 3d perspective.

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Flight and space sims were big deals at the time, too.