Ketsui PS2

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28 Jan 2007, 02:01 AM
Tain

Ketsui PS2

http://mihara.sub.jp/top/blog/sb203/log/eid796.html

From Varuna via GAF who in turn got it from edit edit twe via shmups, who got it from Danmaku-gata:

Apparently, Arika started porting Ketsui in 2003. They had it running perfectly outside of one section of Stage 5. This alone would put it miles above Taito's ports of Ibara and Mushihimesama. Cave gave Arika permission to release it in this state.

But, hey, it's just not good enough for Arika.

Quote:

"No matter what, we couldn't re-create the 5th stage. Sorry. You can call me a braggart, but other than that, it was 'perfect'. The problem was on the 5th stage tate-ana. No matter how hard we tried, there was deadly, warping slowdown."

Sucks, really, since I've been wanting to play this since playing Espgaluda PS2. I had no idea Arika was officially even trying to port it.
28 Jan 2007, 02:08 AM
Shin Johnpv

that royally sucks :(
28 Jan 2007, 04:52 AM
J2d

You guys are in for a treat when you finaly get your hands on it.
28 Jan 2007, 10:18 AM
Ryan

I said it on the other forum but I'm pretty sure what he means is when it got to the tunnel section that the game went to shit. The problem here is with memory and Stage 5 has at least 30-40 different enemies and 7 different backgrounds.
28 Jan 2007, 12:56 PM
Frogacuda

It's bad when PS2 can't handle a 2D game on dated hardware.

Also, MAME plz
28 Jan 2007, 01:05 PM
Tain

Arika's ports try to emulate when the arcade originals slowed down, though. If they had gone the Taito route, the game would probably run full speed most of the time.

The encryption on the Cave PGM games is kind of a bummer. The hardware itself seems pretty well emulated.
28 Jan 2007, 06:42 PM
icarusfall

ProGear MAME plz
28 Jan 2007, 06:57 PM
Tain

Progear's been perfect in Mame for a long, long time.
28 Jan 2007, 07:41 PM
icarusfall

really? I've been out of the loop for years. :)
28 Jan 2007, 07:51 PM
sixteen-bit

Yeah, you can even play it 100% perfectly on PSP barring crappy buttons.
28 Jan 2007, 09:29 PM
gameoverDude

This bites about the PS2 Ketsui port not coming out. They got this far with it and gave up? I think they could've given it a little more time. Warping slowdown I'm sure means frame-skip that looks like objects are "warping" from place to place, but there is a brief period of that in stage 5 on the PCB.

What a waste to have given up on it. Though I have the PCB, I'd also have bought this for any extra modes. If memory was a problem, I would not have minded a mid-level load in stage 5.

If the PS2 can't handle it as Arika would like, maybe they should make it for the Wii, which should have the power to do it 100%.
28 Jan 2007, 10:52 PM
bbobb

Quote:

Originally Posted by gameoverDude

If the PS2 can't handle it as Arika would like, maybe they should make it for the Wii, which should have the power to do it 100%.

You're kidding right?
28 Jan 2007, 11:20 PM
sixteen-bit

Wii can do true low res? Why are VC games 480p?
28 Jan 2007, 11:21 PM
icarusfall

XBLA would be the sickest thing ever.

If shooter companies could start something with that (like, lifting the mb limit) I'd be so happy.
28 Jan 2007, 11:26 PM
Josh

Every game should be on XBLA.
28 Jan 2007, 11:28 PM
bbobb

Getting a bunch of shooters on XBLA exclusively might help MS in Japan a bit.
28 Jan 2007, 11:36 PM
Low

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbobb

Getting a bunch of shooters on XBLA exclusively might help MS in Japan a bit.

No. A few devoted players yes, any measurable success doubtful.

I thought Arika originally started a port, stopped it, and was waiting for PS3. Or at least that was another of Arika's blogs a year back. *-neo
28 Jan 2007, 11:37 PM
bbobb

Quote:

Originally Posted by neoalphazero

No. A few devoted players yes, any measurable success doubtful.

I thought Arika originally started a port, stopped it, and was waiting for PS3. Or at least that was another of Arika's blogs a year back. *-neo

Well as I said, it might help a bit... maybe not a lot, but every little bit is something. :)
29 Jan 2007, 03:38 AM
Kaneda

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbobb

You're kidding right?

Mihara says in his blog that it's doable (also on the 360 and PS3), but convincing them to want to release a 2002 arcade shooter may be a bit difficult.
29 Jan 2007, 03:51 AM
Joust Williams

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh

Every game should be on XBLA.
29 Jan 2007, 03:59 AM
ChaoofNee

I'd even play Smashing Drive if it were on XBLA.
29 Jan 2007, 04:01 AM
bbobb

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaneda

Mihara says in his blog that it's doable (also on the 360 and PS3), but convincing them to want to release a 2002 arcade shooter may be a bit difficult.

But why would one hope for Wii and not a 360 release? Seriously.
29 Jan 2007, 04:16 AM
Shin Johnpv

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbobb

But why would one hope for Wii and not a 360 release? Seriously.

Because there's more of a chance of it hitting Wii than 360, so might as well hope for something that has a better chance of happening. The 360 has sold like absolute dog shit in Japan, it's not going to get this game on it. The only systems to hope for this to come out on since they aren't going to do a PS2 version would be GC and Wii. Fuck a PS3 version that system is too damn expensive and there's no mod chip for playing imports on it yet. Since it's not coming to the PS2 and we know that they'll never do an Xbox or 360 port I hope they attempt a GC one. Why you ask because I can use a free loader then and play it, cause theres no way in hell this is going to come to the US and there's still no import solution for the Wii.
29 Jan 2007, 04:21 AM
Joust Williams

So they wouldn't port it on a system with a huge ass user base but they will port it on one that has no user base...? That's some good sense there. I'll go out on a limb and say the worldwide sales of Ketsui would be higher on the 360 than the Wii or GC.
29 Jan 2007, 07:05 AM
Kaneda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joust Williams

So they wouldn't port it on a system with a huge ass user base but they will port it on one that has no user base...? That's some good sense there.

No, they'll port it to a system that has a user base like the Wii before the 360 which has no user base. This is a Japan region game so they're looking at what that market wants, and the 360 is a success in a region that doesn't give a shit about arcade shooters. I highly doubt it would sell best on the 360 in Japan, unless Senko no Ronde pulled in more sales than I thought it did.
29 Jan 2007, 07:16 AM
Josh

Put it on XBLA for 5-10 bucks and it will sell, and sell well.
29 Jan 2007, 07:24 AM
Kaneda

I think they were hoping for $60 for each copy...but if it'll sell 10x better on XBLA in Japan than it would on the PS2 they might consider it.
29 Jan 2007, 07:30 AM
Josh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaneda

I think they were hoping for $60 for each copy...

They're not going to get it.
29 Jan 2007, 07:32 AM
mannerbot

It would sell absolutely ridiculously well at $10 on XBLA, maybe even at $15.
29 Jan 2007, 12:51 PM
Shin Johnpv

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joust Williams

So they wouldn't port it on a system with a huge ass user base but they will port it on one that has no user base...? That's some good sense there. I'll go out on a limb and say the worldwide sales of Ketsui would be higher on the 360 than the Wii or GC.

We're talking about a Japanese game in Japan. The 360 has no User base in Japan and is getting it's ass kicked by the Wii.
29 Jan 2007, 02:55 PM
Compass

Stop it.

it's = it is
29 Jan 2007, 03:01 PM
Joust Williams

" The 360 has no User base in Japan and is getting it's ass kicked by the Wii"

Ketsui won't sell well on any platform. I bet you it'd sell more in America than Japan, especially at an XBLA price point.
29 Jan 2007, 04:16 PM
J2d

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

Fuck a PS3 version that system is too damn expensive and there's no mod chip for playing imports on it yet.

You don't need a chip for that since every release so far has been region free.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaneda

I highly doubt it would sell best on the 360 in Japan, unless Senko no Ronde pulled in more sales than I thought it did.

First two weeks puts it around 8.2k units.
29 Jan 2007, 07:00 PM
gameoverDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbobb

You're kidding right?

Well, we need a port of it to something. The 360 or PS3 wouldn't be bad choices either. If Microsoft and Sony balk at Ketsui for some reason, there's still the Wii.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

Fuck a PS3 version that system is too damn expensive and there's no mod chip for playing imports on it yet.

Wait a second- PS3 should play import PS3 titles. The region lock is just on PS1 and PS2 titles. I don't know why Sony would start region lock on PS3 titles at this point- if they were going to, it would've been right out of the gate.

With Ketsui being "older" at this time, I think Cave should lower their expected price and shoot for $20 to get it on e-Distribution or XBLA. I can see $60 on ESPGaluda II as long as it's a disc release.
31 Jan 2007, 02:18 AM
blueskied

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tain

http://mihara.sub.jp/top/blog/sb203/log/eid796.html

From Varuna via GAF who in turn got it from twe via shmups, who got it from Danmaku-gata:

fixed.
31 Jan 2007, 08:35 PM
gameoverDude

It is so hard to believe that PS2 can't handle a game made for hardware based on the 1998-developed IGS PGM system, which uses a 20 MHz 68000. :wtf:
31 Jan 2007, 08:38 PM
Gooch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

Fuck a PS3 version that system is too damn expensive and there's no mod chip for playing imports on it yet.

Fuck a Wii version; I'm terrified that I'll have to control Ketsui MS Anthology- style by waving a wii-mote like Willie James Huff pulling on someone's dick.
31 Jan 2007, 09:36 PM
Frogacuda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

Fuck a PS3 version that system is too damn expensive and there's no mod chip for playing imports on it yet.

It's just a guess, but I'm thinking the reason there no mod chip for playing imports is because its regionless to begin with.
01 Feb 2007, 12:15 AM
AaronChance

Quote:

Originally Posted by gameoverDude

It is so hard to believe that PS2 can't handle a game made for hardware based on the 1998-developed IGS PGM system, which uses a 20 MHz 68000. :wtf:

RAM is the obvious reason, and makes perfect sense to anyone who's done even a bit of programming. If you can't stuff it into memory, no amount of CPU prowess is going to makes it show up on screen. Especially true for 2D games.
02 Feb 2007, 03:54 PM
SoldatoJ

lol I love this place

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