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Originally Posted by Yoshi

This is so not close. Granted, the CD medium is a huge, unfair advantage, but Shinobi never belongs in the same sentence as Castlevania or Contra. It's a second-tier action series. It kicks trash like Mega Man to the curb, but Konami owned the 8 and 16-bit generations.

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What about Kenseiden for the 8-bit era? It did nearly everything NES Castlevania did but with better graphics and deeper gameplay. It's too bad only 10 people played it. 5 of them post at TNL.

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Originally Posted by neoalphazero

Dracula X, CV: IV, and Bloodlines all rock I'm consistently amazed at the hate directed to the Genesis version. *-neo

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I don't hate it but it was definitely a big disappointment in the series for me. It felt like a step back in design after the other 16-bit ones improved the series. The Genesis was capable of better graphics than it got, too.

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Originally Posted by JefmcC

There are too many cheap hits in Rondo. I had access to Rondo through a friend when it was released. I thought it was an awesome game, but I had to stop in frustration at several points. I think people hold it in such high regard because of it's mystique.

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If you have to stop playing Rondo in frustration then you must suck at gaming.

Seriously, it's one of the easiest old-style Castlevanias.

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Originally Posted by bbobb

If you have to stop playing Rondo in frustration then you must suck at gaming.

Seriously, it's one of the easiest old-style Castlevanias.

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Grim Reaper near the end, and those fish guys on the stage that scrolled right to left. Whether I sucked or not is debatable. :bang:

I never said the game was hard, just a few points of classic Castlevania cheap hits (they all have them) and I liked Shinobi III more.

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Originally Posted by JefmcC

Grim Reaper near the end, and those fish guys on the stage that scrolled right to left. Whether I sucked or not is debatable. :bang:

I never said the game was hard, just a few points of classic Castlevania cheap hits (they all have them) and I liked Shinobi III more.

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Grim Reaper was a pushover. CV1 Reaper... now that sucked. I don't remember the fish guys though. At least not a cheap hit part with them.

I guess if you're not much of a CV fan it may not do much for ya, but for a CV fan the game is amazing.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

What about Kenseiden for the 8-bit era? It did nearly everything NES Castlevania did but with better graphics and deeper gameplay. It's too bad only 10 people played it. 5 of them post at TNL.

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Make that 6. :)

Easily Rondo. I never looked at Shinobi 3 as anything more than an above average action-platformer. With all the dashing and other advanced moves, the game still had a slower pace than the arcade Shinobi games. I didn't exactly find the boss encounters memorable either, at least not compared to the last Super Shinobi.

On the other hand, which game had the better music composition would be a tougher choice for me.. I'd have to give Shinobi 3 the edge.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

I don't hate it but it was definitely a big disappointment in the series for me. It felt like a step back in design after the other 16-bit ones improved the series. The Genesis was capable of better graphics than it got, too.

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Yeah, the game's graphics were pretty lackluster but I like that Konami gave Hard Corps and Bloodlines their own unique design from anything in the respective series. Bloodlines had some geniunely venomous looking enemies, and some very unique bosses from anything in the other games. The sound track was pretty well-composed for the Genny's sound driver, loved that one of my favorite tracks got remixed for PoR's 13th Street. The last level was a refreshing change from the standard "enter clock tower then follow steps to Dracula's den" routine.

And with Hard Corps, the game seemed like a combo of Heavy Metal magazine/Megadeth album cover/Alien War inspired designs. The game just seemed crazy and over the top, fighting a giant Vampire thing with a baby stroller screws with you after other Contra outings. *-neo

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Originally Posted by neoalphazero

The game just seemed crazy and over the top, fighting a giant Vampire thing with a baby stroller screws with you after other Contra outings. *-neo

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This is what I didn't like about Contra: Hard Corps. It seemed like the development team just started making shit up along the way. There was no real coherent theme to the game other than "crazy random shit thrown together."

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Originally Posted by Nash

"crazy random shit thrown together."

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That's what makes it awesome. The pacing (Contra III is slow as hell), the loud music, the ridiculous characters and weapons, even how the the game starts: barreling down a road, crashing, and exploding out of a fucking windshield. It was like a pissed off Contra that wanted its crack pipe back.

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

My favorite traditional Castlevania is Bloodlines on Genesis; it's one of my all time favorite games and I do place it slightly higher than Shinobi 3.

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this is why you fail. We had a long as thread about this once before long in the past but needless to say Bloodlines is the worst of the CV games.