Zelda: Twilight Princess Official thread V 2.0

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Originally Posted by kedawa

The thing that always pissed me off about Wind Waker is that the whole overworld is water, the game's theme is nautical, and yet it's the first 3D Zelda where you can't fucking swim. Not being able to fish is a pretty big disappointment as well. Then there's the boat that moves at a snail's pace when you aren't sailing. There should have been some magic paddles or an enchanted outboard motor or something to make navigating around the islands tolerable. Having to change the wind direction and deploy the sails just to move ten feet in the other direction to find treasure is not fun.

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I have to respectfully disagree with every opinionated statement you have made here, especially the statement about it being a disappointment that there is no fishing. Unless the game's title is Sega Bass Fishing or Animal Crossing, no video game needs to include fishing. Ever. For any reason. Whatsoever.

Eh, Zelda overworlds were always baren slogs. Wind Waker just didn't bother lying to you about it.

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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

you attack and insult people on an online message board

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Originally Posted by Geen

I have to respectfully disagree with every opinionated statement you have made here, especially the statement about it being a disappointment that there is no fishing. Unless the game's title is Sega Bass Fishing or Animal Crossing, no video game needs to include fishing. Ever. For any reason. Whatsoever.

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So you like the slow ass boat, don't like fishing, and prefer to have only superficial interaction with the vast ocean that makes up most of the game world?
To each is own, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Compass

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Ohhh man you're so hard and bad ass, you totally got me! I bet all your friends are gonna think you are the cooooooooooolest when you tell them about it. You're so witty and add so much to the board, it totally wasn't better when you ran away like a giant vagina in the past.

Don't forget to pack some trail mix!

Johnpv is bad at the internet.

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Originally Posted by Geen

I have to respectfully disagree with every opinionated statement you have made here, especially the statement about it being a disappointment that there is no fishing. Unless the game's title is Sega Bass Fishing or Animal Crossing, no video game needs to include fishing. Ever. For any reason. Whatsoever.

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Breath of Fire 3 says GEEN'S RONG.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

Turns out all the Legend of Zelda games are actually just Ganon dreaming, who's a fat Japanese kid in real life. It's his way of expressing the failure and rejection of his day-to-day life, in which he is always trying to stand up and be noticed but is continuously beaten up by a dumb jock named Link that never talks and is dating the head Cheerleader, Zelda.

So remember, every time you finish a Legend of Zelda game you're crushing the hopes of a dejected boy.

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So what was Link's Awakening?

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Originally Posted by Finch

Breath of Fire 3 says GEEN'S RONG.

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Et tu, Finch?
I'll have to add BoF3 to my pile of games I should get around to. I, um, never played it. --;

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Originally Posted by squall_vb

So what was Link's Awakening?

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Gay.

I finally played my Gamecube copy of Twilight Princess, beating it this past weekend.

I soured big-time on the game at first because I hated that monkey that steals your lantern to lead you through the poisonous fog (what a tremendously wasted opportunity that was), and then hated how annoying all of the accompanying monkeys are in the first dungeon. I really wonder if this franchise should be so neck-deep in puzzle design like this is, and it did feel hollow with all of the open space. Also, for whatever reason this is the first Legend of Zelda game I've played that didn't really feel like it had a cohesive overworld - certainly not like Ocarina of Time, despite how much this game is built on that one.

But all that said, they nailed this game in terms of the items (especially), the environments, and the dungeons. Good and/or bad, this is OoT-formula Zelda cranked to 10, but there's an astonishing amount of creativity housed within. The large, hollow world actually felt epic to me and Midna somewhat grew on me as the story (and character) progressed. The bosses are pretty neat but not too difficult, although thankfully this game is more difficult than Wind Waker. There's an air of mystery throughout the story that serves the game well.

The wolf transformation mechanic, I didn't outright hate, but it did nothing for me.

I recently played through Wind Waker before this and, for as much as I love Wind Waker's charm, it feels so rushed and lacking a certain level of polish expected from a Legend of Zelda game. Twilight Princess on the other hand is a much different case, immersed within itself but fully developed and impressive throughout. Also, Wind Waker's Zelda is something special, but I found Twilight Princess's Zelda to be quite interesting as well.

It's the atmosphere that makes me like it the most. I thought that was incredible in TP.

Easily my least favorite Zelda of the 3D bunch. I hated the bs with the wolf and I absolutely despised how you would get locked into tiny areas to fight those predator creatures. This game was an absolute chore for me to finish.

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Originally Posted by Glass Joe

Easily my least favorite Zelda of the 3D bunch. I hated the bs with the wolf and I absolutely despised how you would get locked into tiny areas to fight those predator creatures. This game was an absolute chore for me to finish.

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I felt such that way with Skyward that I just ended up stopping at the fire dungeon. I'm trying to finish it, but, so bored.

I'll be playing Skyward Sword soon, with Twilight Princess finished.

Hm, wait a little while. Twilight was so good after all those awful bug hunts. I don't know if Skyward is actually bad or i was just burnt out, but i really hated Skyward after, i don't remember, halfway through? 2/3rds? I might've liked it a little more if Twilight hadn't been so fresh in my mind.

MIDNA

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Originally Posted by Finch

I don't know if Skyward is actually bad or i was just burnt out, but i really hated Skyward after, i don't remember, halfway through? 2/3rds?

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A lot of it is bad: constant insulting tutorials, unintuitive controls, and tedious filler. Everything good about it is just a rehash from previous games. I stopped at a little over ten hours since I was done waiting for the game to get good. People tell me I already played the best part it.

4th dungeon, after that it's all downhill.

I got bored playing it, but that seems to be the case with Zelda since Wind Waker (which I later went back to and loved). I'll try again soon.

I feel inspired to play the GC version of this on Dolphin because this thread popped up.

Or, at least try it out again and see if it's any better than two years ago.

For the record Dolphin has come a long way, this game looks legit as fuck.

There's a big, beautiful overworld, which you will never see more than once because the warping ability makes it pointless. If you're just looking for bugs or poes I guess you would see it a bit more, but the main quest doesn't require that much backtracking.
It's as good as Wind Waker, and almost as charming. I liked playing with the cats in castle town.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

A lot of it is bad: constant insulting tutorials, unintuitive controls, and tedious filler. Everything good about it is just a rehash from previous games. I stopped at a little over ten hours since I was done waiting for the game to get good. People tell me I already played the best part it.

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I disagree with pretty much everything said here. I had not a single problem with the controls at all, and thought they brought some of the freshest ideas to the series in a long ass time. New puzzles, and a combat system that was 10x more interesting than any of the previous entries. It also had a crazy ass villain in Ghirahim and one of the most endearing Zelda's in the franchise. I thought the ability to upgrade items, and having your shield slowly break if you didn't time your blocks right really added to the game. SS has some of the best dungeon design, and boss fights in the series EASILY, a long with a higher level of challenge than what was seen in the last few 3D entries. Hell it has a boss rush mode that rewards you for playing it. The game isn't perfect and I'll give you Fi can get annoying, but I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as the internet acts like it is. For me TP and SS show a huge leap forward in dungeon design, that shit's on MM,OoT, and WW (which has the weakest dungeons of the series IMHO). As a side note if you were saying these things about the 2 DS games I would be in full agreement with you, but not for SS.

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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

I disagree with pretty much everything said here. I had not a single problem with the controls at all, and thought they brought some of the freshest ideas to the series in a long ass time. New puzzles, and a combat system that was 10x more interesting than any of the previous entries. It also had a crazy ass villain in Ghirahim and one of the most endearing Zelda's in the franchise. I thought the ability to upgrade items, and having your shield slowly break if you didn't time your blocks right really added to the game. SS has some of the best dungeon design, and boss fights in the series EASILY, a long with a higher level of challenge than what was seen in the last few 3D entries. Hell it has a boss rush mode that rewards you for playing it. The game isn't perfect and I'll give you Fi can get annoying, but I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as the internet acts like it is. For me TP and SS show a huge leap forward in dungeon design, that shit's on MM,OoT, and WW (which has the weakest dungeons of the series IMHO). As a side note if you were saying these things about the 2 DS games I would be in full agreement with you, but not for SS.

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I am surprised that for me my favorite parts of these zelda games is really the environments. I find myself not liking the zelda games without a real overworld to explore. They do such a good job with despair, it's unsettling, depressing, and really good.

I can understand that to an extent, I found in ST specially, it was annoying to not be able to go where I wanted and being forced into these exact paths. Though I saw the Sky in SS as more like the ocean in Wind Waker, just smaller and with more interesting things to do. They did nail that feeling of despair in the environment and overworld of TP. I don't think that's what they were going for though in SS, and I liked it's lighter/happier environments. It was a bit more airy and almost naive to the real dangers and I thought that fit as a contrast to TP, and as a good starting point for the story. I do hope we see the typical Zelda pattern here, and once the next console one comes out people actual give SS a fair try.

I think I would have really liked SS more with an overworld on the surface. You COULD use the sky, but you could also travel on the ground more. It more seems like each has a level and a dungeon, it doesn't feel as unified or as much like a world. Though I don't mind the happy go lucky sentiment, for whatever reason I wasn't as moved artistically by it.

(When does gannon officially appear in the series? After SS?)

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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

I had not a single problem with the controls at all, and thought they brought some of the freshest ideas to the series in a long ass time.

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I would rather press a button to roll a bomb instead of doing a Wii bowling motion. This was a case of Nintendo trying to justify their motion controls. It's playable but I think traditional controls work better.

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a long with a higher level of challenge than what was seen in the last few 3D entries.

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This is definitely something I can appreciate but unfortunately it must happen later in the game than I got to.

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I do hope we see the typical Zelda pattern here, and once the next console one comes out people actual give SS a fair try.

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I think a lot of people disappointed with Skyward Sword did give it a fair try. Finch played through the whole game (I think) and I gave it over 10 hours. You make it sound like it's a typical pattern for Zelda games to be victimized at first. It has a 93/100 on Metacritic so I don't think the internet is underrating it at all. Forums are a bit more critical but from what I have seen it's more positive than negative reactions.

I will go back to where I left off some time given that the pacing and handholding of the remaining parts might be different although I don't like the sound of the fetch quest stuff people mention from later in the game.

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Originally Posted by Anthony

I think I would have really liked SS more with an overworld on the surface. You COULD use the sky, but you could also travel on the ground more. It more seems like each has a level and a dungeon, it doesn't feel as unified or as much like a world. Though I don't mind the happy go lucky sentiment, for whatever reason I wasn't as moved artistically by it.

(When does gannon officially appear in the series? After SS?)

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I definitely agree that having some kind of surface overworld would have been a good thing. Gannon official shows up in OoT, there are a few games that take place before that but not many.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

I would rather press a button to roll a bomb instead of doing a Wii bowling motion. This was a case of Nintendo trying to justify their motion controls. It's playable but I think traditional controls work better.

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For some things but not others, a better balance could have been made. The sword combat is way deeper and more interesting than pressing the A button. While SS used Wii Sports Resort method for the Bow aiming, I do think what they did in TP is the ideal. It's far more entertaining, and way more accurate/faster than using dual analogs to aim.

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This is definitely something I can appreciate but unfortunately it must happen later in the game than I got to.

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10 hours is pretty early into the game, if I remember right my first play through clocked in the 50 - 60 hour mark.

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I think a lot of people disappointed with Skyward Sword did give it a fair try. Finch played through the whole game (I think) and I gave it over 10 hours. You make it sound like it's a typical pattern for Zelda games to be victimized at first. It has a 93/100 on Metacritic so I don't think the internet is underrating it at all. Forums are a bit more critical but from what I have seen it's more positive than negative reactions.

I will go back to where I left off some time given that the pacing and handholding of the remaining parts might be different although I don't like the sound of the fetch quest stuff people mention from later in the game.

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I disagree, and I'm not saying you or Finch didn't give it a chance but the greater internet at larger hardly did. Read some other forums and the response was "Motion controls, fuck this it sucks." with out every putting the disc into a machine.

There is definitely a typical Zelda pattern. People hated WW when it was first announced and came out, it was lauded for it's look and for being kiddy, then Twilight Princess released and now WW was a master piece and people hated TP. Here we are at a similar stage, people hate SS and now love TP. I'm not saying it goes on here at TNL, but read some other forums. Zelda fans are insane and definitely follow this asinine pattern of hating on what ever just got released and loving it years later.


Personally I really hope Nintendo carries over a lot of the things they introduced in SS into the next console entry. There were a lot of ideas there that were fresh to the series that I think should stick around.

I loved TP the most, and have since the first like 4 hours in. People weren't like that with OoT. When you first played that, like 10 minutes in, it changed your view of playing games.

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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

Zelda fans are insane and definitely follow this asinine pattern of hating on what ever just got released and loving it years later.

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This is not so much a Zelda thing as it is a hype thing in general. A sequel to X comes out, people have fond memories of X and you get the two vocal camps of: "X2 IS BETTER IN EVERY WAY" and "NO WAY EVERYTHING IS WORSE IT WILL NEVER BE AS PERFECT AS THE ORIGINAL" Then, years later, both sides have calmer feelings about the whole thing and it evens out. Then the cycle repeats.

OoT was one of my favorite games when it came out. One day I'll pick up the 3DS version and see how my feelings are now on it. TP was also great and I really need to do another playthrough, I just wish the GC version supported widescreen without using Dolphin to hack it in.

Twilight actually had a horribly long and tedious opening. You could play a significant amount of time and think you're playing a kind of bad game, because through the first three dungeons, you are. Once the game actually hits its stride, it's up there with the best games. For the record, Majora and Wind Waker are the best of them. MAN i want to play Twilight again. Agitha... Yeta... The siblings... MIDNA.

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Skyward's problem is that it gets really good and then just keeps repeating the good stuff over and over. Also Fi not trusting the player to be smart enough to do something as simple as stand on a switch to open a chest.

I remember reading that Skyward was supposed to be the old guard of Nintendo handing the reigns to the kids, and i really think that the part where Skyward became tedious was the exact point where the noobs started working on it. Fubiyashi just needs to stay away, and Aonuma needs to do everything, including get his own Not Zelda series to play with.

AHHHHHHHH but GROOSE!

GROOSE! GROOOOOOSE!

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Originally Posted by Compass

MIDNA

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This was really all that needed to be said. Best character.

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Originally Posted by Anthony

They do such a good job with despair, it's unsettling, depressing, and really good.

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Totally agree. It seems to me all of the 3D Zeldas have this sort of unsettling creepiness and/or sadness woven into their presentations. I remember playing through Majora's Mask for the first time and wondering how it had ever been allowed to carry the Zelda brand. Twilight Princess is almost overwhelmingly depressing in parts, and also strangely beautiful in a way no other game in the series has ever been. I loved exploring the overworld.

I also like TP's soundtrack a lot.