Mea Culpa

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

Again, your concept of the universe is disturbingly small in scope. No rational, intelligent or thinking person can honestly think or believe that an impossibly vast expanse filled with hundreds of trillions upon trillions of galaxies (some eight times larger than our own) just......happened. There is too much fucking order for that to be true.

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Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. But I'd say the odds are it didn't happen because some big bearded man in the sky said it should.

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What next? You gonna tell me that the only life in Milky Way only exists on this insignificant little ball of mud? For your own sake, you had better not believe something so utterly asinine.

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Last I checked that was a more commonly an idea held by religious factions. I think anyone thinking scientifically would say there's almost definitely other life out in the stars.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

They're the same exact philosophical problem. Either everything exists simply because it is its nature to exist, or it simply exists because God simply exists and has imposed such existence on the universe as an extention of His will. Which is simpler? Care to elaborate?

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I simply find it very difficult to belileve that a shitfuckton of cosmic debris floating around after the big bang just "fell into place" and all the laws of physics that govern the universe, just arbitarily came into being.

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So I guess we still think the sun orbits the Earth, right? Give science a little more credit. We have reasonably solid science on black holes and what happens in the middle of the sun.

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Drop in the bucket compared to what we as a species will learn once we get off this rock. That was my point.

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

I simply find it very difficult to belileve that a shitfuckton of cosmic debris floating around after the big bang just "fell into place" and all the laws of physics that govern the universe, just arbitarily came into being.

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Yet you do believe that there was this super being that just happens to be floating around that just came into being.

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

Again, your concept of the universe is disturbingly small in scope. No rational, intelligent or thinking person can honestly think or believe that an impossibly vast expanse filled with hundreds of trillions upon trillions of galaxies (some eight times larger than our own) just......happened. There is too much fucking order for that to be true.

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This way of thinking always amazes me. The perfection of all around us is misleading...everything appears so perfect only because everything that wasn't has simply died off. And other factors, like our planet's position from the sun, seem to be so perfect...when it's the only way it could be. I mean look around at the other planets. Life is the exception, not the rule.

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

I simply find it very difficult to belileve that a shitfuckton of cosmic debris floating around after the big bang just "fell into place" and all the laws of physics that govern the universe, just arbitarily came into being.

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This is another thing. God has always been there, but the universe couldn't possibly have been? When we have hard evidence of such...compared to the old "The Bible is true because it says it is!" :doubt:

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Originally Posted by Giga Power

This way of thinking always amazes me. The perfection of all around us is misleading...everything appears so perfect only because everything that wasn't has simply died off. And other factors, like our planet's position from the sun, seem to be so perfect...when it's the only way it could be. I mean look around at the other planets. Life is the exception, not the rule.

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Ehhhhhhh......I can't accept that line of thinking.

We have no basis for comparison. Our solar system is out in the freakin' boonies and we have yet to make first contact with the other sentient life that obviously exists.

perfection my arse, have you seen how needlessly complicated and problematic the human knee is? Or that Animals need to be culled to stop them from over-feeding?

What the hell are you guys talking about? The last time I was in here Razor was schooling us on why we shouldn't bang Boricuas.

i dunno, i just read the last post and responded lol

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

I simply find it very difficult to belileve that a shitfuckton of cosmic debris floating around after the big bang just "fell into place" and all the laws of physics that govern the universe, just arbitarily came into being.

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But that's exactly what you believe, but you've thrown this extra being into it on top of it. I find it difficult to believe that a perfect creative being "just fell into place," too.

You can believe that something outside of this universe caused this universe, or you can believe that the highly ordered laws of physics that have created everything from a speck of dust on the moon to complex civilizations are, in fact, the very something at the bottom of everything. No one's saying life is random. It is what it is, but tossing God into the mix creates more philosophical questions than it answers, and that's just a fact.

In a sense, whatever fundamental force that governs physicality could be said to be God. It creates everything, it's all-powerful (nothing can defy its will), it has always existed... I don't see why making God into some big dude that talks to you makes that picture any simpler or more elegant.