He's a credible scientist and those books are pertinent to the discussion, what's the problem?
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He's a credible scientist and those books are pertinent to the discussion, what's the problem?
Did I say or imply a problem?
No one cares what you think anyway.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Calliander
If any of that stuff comes to pass in our lifetime, it'll just confirm what I already believe anyway. God isn't a concept exclusive to our species.Quote:
If all that Asimov/robots/aliens stuff happens in our lifetime I guarantee you'll ditch God in a second, you big nerd.
As for the big nerd comment....well, duh!
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Lets get dangerous imo.
My point is that neither of us know all the answers, and you're an arrogant twit for thinking you do. I'm not dancing in circles, I'm avoiding making assertive claims about things I don't know. All I know is that you don't know either.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again: The difference between a wise man and a fool is not how much he knows, but being aware of what he doesn't. Every time you make an ass of yourself on these boards it's not because you're an idiot, it's because you think you know more than you do.
The point is, again, that you aren't smarter than the rest of humanity. You haven't just "figured it out" with a certainty that no one else has. You're a know-it-all and an ass.Quote:
What the fuck does that have anything to do with the science itself? I don't give a good goddamn what they 'believe' only what they have evidence that supports.
I'm not really proposing much, honestly. Everything I'm claiming with regard to the way the universe works is pretty indisputable. Logically provable, even. I'm just describing it in terms you're arbitrarily uncomfortable with because you think they imply more than they do.Quote:
As it stands they don't have evidence for what you're proposing (which is essentially intelligent design), no matter how hard you want it to be there it just isn't.
You can't possibly be dumb enough to think I was trying to point out something meaningful about the universe there. My statement was just an obvious one about language and logic, not the universe. I clearly defined how I was using the term over and over, so I don't know why you continue to dispute it. You know what I fucking meant. And if you don't disagree with what I meant as I explained it, then why are you still bitching?Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
It doesn't, but that belief (or lack thereof as it were) is the backbone of nihilism, so I was just calling it what it is. Nihilism tends to devalue the importance of life, but I suppose it doesn't have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
In any event, your notion of the possibility of the universe's laws being other than what they are is as completely ungrounded in any evidence as any God man has ever created.
Nihilism can only apply to people, not to the universe. The universe is naturalistic, not nihilistic. I don't need the universe to have a purpose or design for me to have purpose in my own life. It just means I can't rely on bullshit para-natural garbage to 'give' me a reason to live, I make it myself. I control my destiny. I find that a far cry from belief in nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
I'm just going to leave you with this, because you really need to practice what you preach, if I'm making bold assertions for which I cannot definitively prove (as you claim), then I'm certainly not the only one here. Your rigid declaration that the universe's laws can't be anything other than what they are (based on current understanding and observation) is really off base I hope you see that. We learn only through continuous observation and testing, revisiting and clarifying things as needed, we don't stay in statis because it wrecks your philosophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
No you don't. You're a machine like everything else. The universe is all one big machine. You're applying the magical importance to the machine in your own head, and then criticizing me for implying the one outside your head might be as important.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Your brain does what it's supposed to do. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not the magical bridge between possibility and actuality. It's a cog. Get over it.
I don't know what good it does to talk about other universes. It doesn't mean they don't exist, it means I'm not even sure what it would mean to say they do (it wouldn't be using the term "exist" in the conventional sense, at least).Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Wrong again. I'm not saying I have a free will outside of naturalistic forces, just that when I act through those natural forces it's me acting and not the design of your bullshit spiritual 'intelligence' or God. The universe isn't a machine, and neither am I, because machines are designed. I'm a product of biological evolution, as in change and adaptation over time, not design. The universe is a product of forces interacting, again, not design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
There are theories about alternate universes, some are 'baby universes' formed in black holes but not lasting long enough to form stars, galaxies, etc. If nothing else, it's hard to find room for a black hole even existing in your static deterministic universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
There's nothing spiritual about what I'm saying at all. If anything it spits in the face of most religious philosophy. But ok, whatever. You can keep playing the name calling game if it's easier than making a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
No, machines are mechanical (defining a word with itself, I know, but at least you can't argue that way). Something is a machine if it behaves in a certain way based on a certain mechanism. The state of being a machine has NOTHING to do with how that machine came into being.Quote:
The universe isn't a machine, and neither am I, because machines are designed.
I never argued this for a second. Though, stating it like that is a horribly weak point, because there's no reason it can't be both, and most that would want to frame God in such a way would certainly claim as much.Quote:
I'm a product of biological evolution, as in change and adaptation over time, not design. The universe is a product of forces interacting, again, not design.
That's not an alternate universe in the same sense that was being discussed earlier, and you know it.Quote:
There are theories about alternate universes, some are 'baby universes' formed in black holes but not lasting long enough to form stars, galaxies, etc. If nothing else, it's hard to find room for a black hole even existing in your static deterministic universe.
You've been throwing around the word intelligence, and despite your constant backpedals we all know how you're framing it as being the work of some paranatural force. Whether sentient or not, it's still supernatural and it's still bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
That's not the way you were using the term though, you were using it in the sense of a designed system that operates according to the rules set by its designer (in this case your disembodied 'intelligence').Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Sure you can fudge all to fuck and jam God into it, but you'd be the one making the extremely flimsy argument. Especially when a better explanation (a naturalistic one) already exists. Evolution, whether biological or cosmological, is anything but perfect and at no point shows evidence of a grand design. That is really the crux of my argument, and you've yet to address it other than with "no, dur, you're stupid".Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
If you're not going to be clear in what you're saying (with your continued misuse of words and concepts) then don't be mad when I'm not following down the path you keep changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
No, I'm not. I defined clearly EXACTLY what I meant when I used the word. It's not backpeddaling if I'm fucking beating you over the head with the same exact shit over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
No, I'm not, stupid. I'm telling you you aren't a magic device that can "choose." I chose the word machine not to emphasize a machine-maker, but to emphasize the lack of choice. Which is abundantly clear in the context I presented it.Quote:
That's not the way you were using the term though, you were using it in the sense of a designed system that operates according to the rules set by its designer (in this case your disembodied 'intelligence').
I wouldn't, because I never made that assertion. But I'm not sure that it's even an argument either way. It's all conjecture.Quote:
Sure you can fudge all to fuck and jam God into it, but you'd be the one making the extremely flimsy argument.
No explaination exists for why the most fundamental laws of physics are what they are, nor could any. You've implied some bizarre theory that that they are in some sense variable (and may be otherwise in some other plane of existence), which I find no more satisfactory or grounded in reality than any explaination involving God. At a certain point you just have to give up and say "Who the fuck knows?"Quote:
Especially when a better explanation (a naturalistic one) already exists.
I never changed shit. I fucking define the words I'm using, and lay out extremely simple arguments, but you're on your little fucking anti-design crusade and telling me what I meant instead of hearing what I said. I use intelligent, and you say that implies design, I used ordered and you say that implies higher order, I used mechanical and you say that implies machine maker. You're fucking loading what you want to hear into what I say no matter what word I use. Knock it the fuck off.Quote:
If you're not going to be clear in what you're saying (with your continued misuse of words and concepts) then don't be mad when I'm not following down the path you keep changing.
Doesn't anyone want to get dangerous?
I've found that you have less chance of winning an argument with g0zen than you do with Yoshi, and that says a lot.
I DO
Frog, Frog, FROG!
You should know by now from watching my constant clashes with g0zen that he only hears what he wants to and only argues for the sake of argument. He's a crack addict in essence and mental masturbation is the crack.
You'll never get him to admit that you have a point because that would kill the high.
Don't be an enabler, just say no.
Yeah at this point just back out of the thread. If you continue this you're only fueling his fire.
So what's this empirical evidence? I'm genuinely curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
Will you two just fuck and get it over with?
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Originally Posted by Josh
Meh, it's all personal testimony I've heard over the last five years, so it wouldn't mean anything to you or anyone else who is outside.Quote:
Originally Posted by cigsthecat
That's called anecdotal evidence, not empirical.
Frogacuda, no fair suggesting that facts and objective evidence should ever be considered in this sort of argument. I mean next we'll be saying while personal experience is persuasive it is not any good because of the frequently suspect nature of personal experience.
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Originally Posted by not Anal Kaboom
one time, i won an argument with g0zen, and then i proceeded to chainsaw him into tiny pieces......but then we respawned
I hope there is a god just so gozen is wrong.
Also: Solipsism fucks your arguments.
g0zen has a remarkable ability to make everyone that agrees with him turn against him. Then he argues them stupid while wearing cotton swabs in his ears.
Empiric \Em*pir"ic\, Empirical \Em*pir"ic*al\, a.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
1. Pertaining to, or founded upon, experiment or experience; depending upon the observation of phenomena; versed in experiments.
In philosophical language, the term empirical means simply what belongs to or is the product of experience or observation. --Sir W. Hamilton.
The village carpenter . . . lays out his work by empirical rules learnt in his apprenticeship. --H. Spencer.
2. Depending upon experience or observation alone, without due regard to science and theory; -- said especially of medical practice, remedies, etc.; wanting in science and deep insight; as, empiric skill, remedies.
The saying "What goes up, must come down" did not stem from any scientific research. It is merely the verbalization of an observable, natural aspect of terran existance.
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Don't fuck with the News
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This thread has markedly improved.
I do what I can.Quote:
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I do what I can.Quote:
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I heard there was a God and he likes anal.
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Oh shit son.
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MY EYES! THEY BURN! THE GOGGLES, THEY DO NOTHING!
What the fuck is wrong with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
Back on topic.
Clearly the reply should have been: "That's so bad, Josh."
On topic: Smoke weed everyday.
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Originally Posted by AFX
Yeah.....what were we talking about?
I think we were satiating your self importance. You know the one you created to fill the gaping hole left with your severence from society? You know the same self importance otherkin or serial killers have. Here I'll start:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
Master of 7s, I am so stupid for having a humanist view of the world. It's so amazing that an omnipotent being speaks to you and likeminded folk, it must be amazing and must totally make up for your real life situation :)
Careful or he'll attempt to kill again!
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Originally Posted by Master of 7s
So you're saying that definition - which is where someone observes or experiences something - is the same thing as hearing a second-hand account? Congratulations, you just proved yourself wrong.Quote:
Meh, it's all personal testimony I've heard
Did you hear that word from one of your counselors?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
Ohhhhhh, you mean the part where I realized I made a mistake, apologized for creating a disturbance, then everyone took that as a cue to attack me for no fucking reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
Seriously, go fuck yourself. This should've died at page one. People should've just said "I knew he was an idiot" and moved the fuck on, but that didn't happen. Like a bunch of predatory harpies, people seized on a moment of perceived weakness and now are suddenly surprised that I'm retaliating.
Who's satiating their inflated sense of self-importance again? 'Cause it ain't me. I apologized for being an ass, i didn't say I was gonna rollover and die so a bunch of jackals could tear me apart.
Maybe you should shut your trap, quit taking cheap shots at me like a little punk and let the fucking thread die like it should have by now.
Feel clever now, little boy?Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
Least having a dick I wouldn't have to worry about the sandy vagina problem that's going around.
This won't happen Mo7. They will continue to attack you and if you start attacking back. They will start throwing out Bible Verses like they are a minister themselves. They'll say "Didn't jesus say love everyone?" Just to let you all know ... we are, but he also tossed the tables over in his house. Its called Justifiable Anger, especially when you get attacked for no reason. He apologized and everyone started to attack (okay more like berate) him, only for the reason of him being a Christian. Good job.
Outside of a few others I think you and I may be the only one who have a dick in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
Well not Kitten, obviously. I hope.:sweat:
My dick is massive.
OH SHIT, the Christians are getting angry.
Watch out or they may have their god smite us.
That's your clit.Quote:
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There's only one God. Noob.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Fo' Realz.Quote:
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Originally Posted by not Anal Kaboom
lol really?
Their = Church of Christ, thus a single body made up of multiple people. He was using their in reference to the multiple people making up the christian religion and having THEIR god smite us :P Their one god.
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He's God of the nonbelievers as well. Peoples views and beliefs might be different but He is the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
My point still stands.
SONIC ANAL BOOM.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by Vasteel
Yes, because regardless of whether or not that god is everyone's god, Mech was saying it in respect to the church's respective god. The god they believe in may or may not be the actual god of this world (I am defining their god as by their beliefs of his wants, obviously if there's one god, there's one god).Quote:
Originally Posted by not Anal Kaboom
Then the pronoun Their wouldn't apply would it? That's all I was arguing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
BTW it was bbobb that you quoted...
? I never quoted bob.
Why wouldn't it apply, you can use a plural and or singular pronoun interchangeably when the object your describing is a singularity comprised of multiple things.
The people of the church own essentially that particular ideal of that god. Thus it is thier's
I understood what you were saying Thief.
<3 Thief
can we make out now? We have to do it in Mexico...no God there lol
Hehe sure what the hell.
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Uhm originally Thief it did start with Bbobb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
I know, but I'm saying I didn't quote him particularly. I quoted Genki's response to him which I was trying to correct.
Don't take any of this personally, I just picked something to correct and am sticking by it for the sake of being bored at work.
LttP? Don't worry we're all going to Mexico.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate
I'm not late dear. I was just being the observer till the end.
Don't worry, you'll have plenty of time to suck Mo7's dick in heaven. I hear god is into that.
9 inches and black as night
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Shh, people are talking.
Yes Poppa.Quote:
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Cigs it's been 10 years since you gave birth to that monstrosity and you still haven't told him I'm the Poppa?
lol!
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lol!
Er, for tabacco of course.Quote:
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Side Note: If you go into a head shop in Ohio and you use the word bowl you can't buy one, who knows why.
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Black people are allowed believe in raptor jesus?
I believe the truth to be self evident.Quote:
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Well black people do steal...
Well they did steel the concept of Snow WhiteQuote:
Originally Posted by not Anal Kaboom
proof!!one!!1
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Is nothing sacred? Bastards....
You make a fool out of yourself in one thread before apologizing and locking it... and then you create a new thread for people to call you stupid in and you're surprised when they leap at the chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
Guess what! It's you! ^_^Quote:
Who's satiating their inflated sense of self-importance again?
lol i missed the big God argument AGAIN :(
Eh I'm just glad I won it and won hard. :bang:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Not Shade
Fuck the tribe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stibbons
No, if you were serious about apologizing you would have done it in the original thread before you closed it and been done with it. Instead, youQuote:
Originally Posted by Master of 7s
make another thread in the interest of once again thrusting your sorcerous ways upon the rest of us under the guise of apology.
No, everyone started to attack because we are more than sick of Christians like him believing that they own the monopoly on morality, on the thinnest of pretenses, and lacking the common fucking courtesy to respect the fact that others may not have the same beliefs. It's just polite to keep that shit to yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate
I don't try to shove my beliefs down your throat at every turn, even if I do
feel you might benefit from them. I just assume that you drew different conclusions out of life than I did and leave it there.
Negative. My 'gods' don't demand blood sacrifice, practice social Darwinism, or need a seventh day to rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by not Anal Kaboom
And assuming your vengeful old fire god is the real deal (lol!), I would still be at odds with the motherfucker. But fuck you for being the authority on who everyone elses' gods are.
lol man. VASTEEL IS PISSED.
One pissed off cat imo
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Do I shove them down everyones throat? No. I keep that shit on lock. And I said in the other thread that I do not try to talk politics or religion on TNL or at work. Because of this sole reason. Don't try and lump me in and I won't do it either, or I will try not too from now on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasteel
Sorry guys, this thread has earned the serious cat award of 2007
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