GameSpot has posted a benchmark and screenshot comparison between Lost Planet running on DirectX 9 and DirectX 10 using an 8800GT. I think we have a new platform to lol.
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GameSpot has posted a benchmark and screenshot comparison between Lost Planet running on DirectX 9 and DirectX 10 using an 8800GT. I think we have a new platform to lol.
Dude, it's a Capcom PC release. I'm just glad it has lighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Somehow I doubt this is really all that fair, unless the game was meant to be run in DX10 than lol away but if it wasn't this doesn't mean much.
There is a whole DX10 specific demo that was used...
All I'm really saying is I think it would be better to see a game made with the DX10 made in mind before writing it off totally.
Two seperate versions of the demo, one for DX10 one for DX9. It's fair, but it's also a company that knows nothing of PC programming, and it's not like you can't run the DX9 version under Vista.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rem
Obviously, although a little part of me hopes that DX10 gives me no good reason to get Vista for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rem
Crysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Shhh...
My wife just got a new PC with Vista on it and we both agree it is the XP version of ME. No game is worth it to upgrade for.
I went from 95 to 98 to XP, so I can relate to that.
Well no game ever required ME, so that doesn't really fly,
God damn it. Stop making sense, Frog.
Christ, is it really as bad as ME?
Lost Planet is not a good example of the differences between Dx9, and 10. Wait till titles like TFC 2, Crysis, and Unreal 07 start comming out. Then start comparing the special effects. And Dx10 is not all about effects, it also increases performance on the effects as well.
This game was just a test, and either way, at high resolution, and all settings on max, the game looks way better on my PC than on 360.
not even close. any rig i ever saw with ME had blue screens every use. people just love to bash M$ (LOL!) when they do things right and when they do things wrong because it's cool. i would never, EVER use a Capcom pc game as a benchmark. most recently RE4 and DMC3 are total proof of that. they suck balls at PC ports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rem
and im also glad Gamespot doesn't even make mention that perhaps.....just maybe the shitty drivers that ATI and Nvidia make, NOT M$ (LOL AGAIN!) are the problem? they had over a year before Vista came out and there has essentially been NO noticible improvement in the driver updates since the RC1 of Vista (hell i'll even say the first unpublic beta even before that since i've been with it a lot longer than the general public). any video related problems are solely the fault of the chipset vendors being lazy. plain and simple.
good pics you can't even enlarge btw.
Capcom didn't do the PC ports of RE4 or DMC3.
Even still. No track record is only marginally better than a bad track record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
check the 2nd half of my post i edited in before your reply. it's not MS fault everybody can't up and move on. people bitched for years that they needed to drop the DOS shell and make other massive improvements to their OS and once they started (Vista still had a LOT of features cut to make launch) with this small incremental change people still come along kicking and screaming. don't blame them. blame the people that don't upgrade and the vendors that are lazy. we seem to be able to chastize people on this board for not buying hi-def tv's for their consoles so it should be the same for cheap asses that want the best on the pc but don't want to pay for it.
Vista WILL get better just like XP. it didn't have nearly as rosey a launch if people can remember back that far.
You mean 3 minutes after my reply?
Let me explain myself. I compared it to ME because everything different we saw from XP seemed to be solely cosmetic and it offers no new functionality of worth, and in some cases, makes things more complicated than they should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by dick tip pucker
I mean, it was fun when she tried to install Creative Suite and it wouldn't boot into Windows, and the computer had been on out of the box for a half hour.
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Originally Posted by portnoyd
CS on Vista? i've used CS 1, 2 and now 3 with absolutely no problems (unless you meant Xp, your poast was not very clear). and if you think Vista is solely cosmetic, you fall into that category i explained in the Vista thread in the Circuit Board. those that simply do not understand or don't care what was actually fixed/changed and only focus on the look and new "fuctions".
I installed Vista on my new PC, and I'm really happy with it. In a nutshell, it takes a lot of the things people liked about OS X and puts them on PC, like widgets (I mean, gadgets!) and attractive, well-designed, and integrated applications. Aero is a gorgeous looking interface. And I know this is kinda trivial, but I love the way it puts all my games in one easy-to-access menu. It's only crashed on me once, and that was when I was trying to sync my iPod before I had downloaded the most recent iTunes/Vista updates while running 3-4 other applications simultaneously.
It's still very fashionable to bash Microsoft, but they've made some huge strides with Vista and its related applications (especially Windows Live and Windows Media Center). It'll take time for Microsoft to sort out all the kinks, but Vista really is a huge step forward for the company. The performance of a single Capcom demo barely optimized for DX10 is a poor benchmark by which to judge the worthiness of an operating system.
Did the Direct X 10 version of Flight Simulator X come out yet?
i could be wrong but i think it was scrapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
Side note, but the PC port of RE4 is less of a joke now. They, uh, patched the lighting and fog and whatnot in.Quote:
Capcom didn't do the PC ports of RE4 or DMC3.
It's actually pretty good looking at stupid high resolutions with max AA and AF, and the 360 controller is nice with it.
No matter how much you dread upgrading to Vista, judging DX10 based on a demo of a console port by a japanese developer is really reaching.
By this time next year, DX10 games will be putting everything else to shame and Vista will (hopefully) get its first service pack and stop sucking so much.
Just remember how shitty XP was until SP1, and Vista doesn't seem so bad.
I guess my experience is atypical, but I never really understood the hate for Windows ME. I bought a PC in the fall of 2001, just before XP came out, and it came with ME preinstalled. I ran that computer almost 24 hours a day for the following 18 months or so, and despite numerous hardware upgrades and dozens of application and game installs/uninstalls, I never once got the BSOD. In fact, it was more reliable than any of the other systems I've ever owned, including my bondi iMac (buggy POS) and my current mac mini.
I had a roommate who's machine was running ME, it was a slow piece of shit. It was an HP so odds are it was their fault, there was a ton of garbage on that thing.
DX9 vs 10 Crysis videos:
Hunter
Jungle Fight
Holy shit, if those are with the same system other than the OS.
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
gpu would have to be different.
Newer video cards can't run DX9?Quote:
Originally Posted by dick tip pucker
No those video's were made with two different specs, and two different times. The first Dx9 jungle video came out around the begining of last year.
Yes they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
yeah they can. he was asking if only the OS were different. the gpu would have to be differnet between rigs as well since a dx9 card cannot obviously run anything in dx10 mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
Boy you're dumb. A DX10 card could obviously run both of those tests. Hence it might be the same rig. The GPU doesn't have to be different.Quote:
Originally Posted by dick tip pucker
snap, i wasn't thinking correctly. don't have to get all bunched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Finally watched these videos. Makes me believe the DX10 hype, at least as far as making new effects possible goes. I gotta say the DX9 version still looks excellent, but the volumetric lighting, smoke effects, etc really look amazing in the DX10 version.
Ok, I have Vista up and running, now. Fun fact: Turning the Aero Glass interface on in Vista makes me drop about 8-9fps in Lost Planet. At least it's optional.
I really like Aero, too. You'd think they'd give an option to automatically disable it whenever you fullscreen a game.
Microsoft tells you what you want. Stop thinking for yourself.
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Originally Posted by epmode
It is supposed to disable itself when in game, but I would think part of it has to run to know when you have exited so it can turn the feature back and therefore is still using up some resources.
That's one hell of a check if it drops that many frames. Same thing happened to me, which is why I'm sticking with XP until the driver situation improves.
Oddly enough other benchmarks I ran (like Lost Coast) ran faster than under XP, even with Aero Glass enabled, so it's clearly a mixed bag. I'm liking Vista ok, but I still want to get a dual boot running when I can.
Is dual boot really worth like 10 frames, honestly?
15-20 in WoW. Plus other driver issues. It's worth it, IMO.
Agreed.
The DirectX10 homepage is fucking hilarious, they compare Halo: Combat Evolved models to Crysis models.
EDIT: In Vista, I'm getting atleast 60fps in Starcraft with a 8800GTS. I really should dual boot.
i think the frame hit has something to do witht he way they reworked how the OS displays the desktop and windows. remember in XP when you would exit out of a game or window and there would be parts of your desktop missing until you either reboot or open another full screen app? Vista fixed this by the way it handles the drawing of the UI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
from the winsupersite
"Unlike other Vista user interface types--Windows Vista Standard, Windows Vista Basic, and Windows Classic--Windows Aero utilizes the graphics processor in your video card to composite and render the display. This design leads to two main advantages over the other Vista interfaces. First, the display is more reliable and seamless, with none of the weird tearing effects that mar the other interfaces. Second, by offloading the display from the system microprocessor to the GPU, Windows Aero frees the microprocessor to perform other tasks, leading to better overall performance"
just make sure you have XP installed first and then Vista. the new boot manager of Vista doesn't like to play well if it's installed first.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
More doing the dual boot thing for legacy compatibility reasons than performance. Overall, performance in Vista isn't worse, at least not with my particular hardware. The Aero Glass thing can be turned on and off.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
Can XP run via virtualization on Vista? One cpu core should be enough to run legacy stuff.