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I've just used GNC for a while now, as my buddy is the manager there. They've been cracking down on the rampant discounts lately, however, so I think I might have to start looking around once my current goodies run out.
BTW, I finally found a 100% casein-based protein powder at Vitamin Shoppe (made by Optimum Nutrition). Mixes well and tastes pretty good. Pretty cheap, too. Plus, casein makes the shakes nice and thick so they fill you up nicely.
I just bought a whole shitload of Muscle Milk, Muscle Milk oatmeal, and Muscle Milk pudding from that place. I recommend it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyne
My striking, in particular my kicking, has really improved. And my cardio is really coming along nicely. I'm actually fairly happy with it, so much to the point that I went out and bought some new pants.
This is my cardio: I shoot for playing through the Ramones first album at "live speed" once a day. Twice if I'm feeling sassy. I also like to do at least an hour of PIU every day. Also an hour of yoga. I'm secure in my masculinity.
Its slowly helping me to gain back muscle I lost in the month where my body was digesting itself. I'm losing fat, but I'm staying the same weight. To me this means I am doing something right. I have ribs for the first time in a long time. I'd like to go to the gym, but I know I won't... so I'll keep doing what I'm doing until I get sick of it and start eating fast food again.
I haven't done these things for the past couple days and its making me itchy.
I want candy btw... its all I think about. That and blowjobs. I love blowjobs.This is Flair country. bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Whats that? I'm not going to click it.
Nice, grats!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
http://www.kukoda.com/wp-content/zubaz2.jpg
You think anyone wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I'm wearing those bad boys? Forget about it.
Just by cutting out pop and the majority of sugar (I cave sometimes) I've lost 8 pounds in about 5 weeks, but it's getting time to actually start working out, I just need a workout buddy -.-'
omgQuote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
If you don't have personal friends that want to work out with you, join a gym and get friendly with the people there. You'll eventually find someone who seems to have a similar schedule as you, and you can hook up and train with them. Just make sure you guys train with similar styles and exercises- doesn't make sense to have a training buddy who doesn't do any of the exercises that you do.
During the week, I just train on my own. I know everyone at the gym in the mornings, so I can always get a spot, but otherwise I just like to do my own thing. I have a training partner for legs, however, because they're a total bitch.
I found an Excel worksheet that I made a couple years ago that helped me guess the rate at which I'd lose some fat, and figured I would post it here. It's not 100% accurate because there are variables like gaining/losing muscle mass and even different calorie counts from day to day not to mention the calorie requirements are estimates, but it was a good guess and not that far off from what actually happened. Hopefully it can help someone out.
Worksheet
Still doing that circuit workout I talked about earlier, though I've added curls and pushups to it, and I end the entire thing by doing 30 pushups, which is about failure after all the other crap.
Also, I can do 50 pushups with great form and pretty easily now, which has always been a goal of mine. That's pretty cool I think.
I should see how many I can do, I hit 50 and was so happy I stopped.
So I just came from my friday workout at the boathouse. But before I tell you about that I want to tell my wakeup routine. Every morning except Sunday I do the following:
bodyweight squats x50
hindu pushups x20
jackknives x100 (there's probably some other name for this)
hypers (with the big ball) x20
reverse hypers (w/ball) x20
squats (hands on floor) x20
twisty x10 (there's probably some other name for this, sort of a twisting pushup, brutal)
crunches (w/ball) x30
dips x10 (I seperated my SC in July so my reps are down)
bicycle x50
yes/no/maybe x10 each (neck exercises)
squat hold (15 deep breaths)
pushups x30
walking lunges from here to the fireplace and back
yoga T 10 deep breaths each side (probably a different name for this too)
VKR (roman chairs?) x15
pullups x10
back bridge x5 and then hold for ten deep breaths
So Monday - Saturday I train hard at the academy. Twice a day on Monday and Wednesday. As the Pan Ams draw nearer I'll probably end up twice on tuesdays and thursdays too. At class we do a warmup that can vary from weaksauce to absolutely fucking heinous. Then technical training, then sparring. I'm aiming for 194 so I'm trying to train mainly with guys that are 200lbs+.
A couple months ago a guy started training with us and it turns out that he did greco through college, played rugby all over the world and is currently the conditioning coach for the Lake Washington Rowing Club. He invited me to the Friday workouts and this was my first night back since catching the ringworm three weeks ago.
Tonight was interesting as always. He has this thing called a "slosh pipe" which is just an eight foot piece of 4" PVC about 2/3 full of water. It only weighs 60-70lbs but is easily the single most brutal piece of equipment I've ever dealt with. We use it for all sorts of shit like squats, distance carries, and timed overhead holds. So this evening we started on one small hill at the park and put the finish line at another small hill 40 yards away. So we took a 12lb medicine ball and threw one of three ways (alternating), press out from the chest, overhead and reverse overhead. Then pick up the pipe and carry the fucker to where the ball landed, put the pipe down, throw the ball agin, carry the pipe etc. All the way to the top of the other hill and back. Effing BRUTAL. We ran that one x4
On to the next. Same deal except we're doing a reverse overhead throw with a tire and then carrying a pair of 44lb kettlebells to where the tire landed and repeat. I thought this woulkd be easier. HA! Try twice as hard. We also did this x4
Lastly was one minute overhead holds with the pipe x4. Much much much harder than you'd think.
I have seen direct performance results on the mat since I've been spending Friday nights at the boathouse. It's amazing and so much more fun that hanging out in some stuffy gym with dudes that shave their chest and sweat on vinyl.
Holy shit! Settle down there Rocky. All you have left to do is down a raw egg.
I do 50 push-ups and hit the treadmill for 30 minutes. That's about it. When I workout at night I do weight reps and treadmill.
LOL. It's different every Friday. I'll be back with descriptions next week.
Thing is, the Pan Ams are the biggest jiu jitsu tournament in the USA. I mean to demonstrate serious game out there and anybody standing across from me is going to have to pay the cost. I'll be training like this until I break or until I win the gold. I'm not flying to LA to get clowned out there.
that's awesome Pa. i knew you rolled, didn't know you competed as well. do they televise the Pan Ams at all?
Look at 'pa rocking the black gi!
NAGA has some neon pink board shorts I wanted to get, but they only came in girl sizes and cost like 50 bucks. :(
They normally have some stuff on the internet that you can watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyne
And girl colors, apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidnemo
It's hard being a pimp, you should know this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
wouldnt they, you know......dig into your dick area too?
The Pan Ams will definitely not be televised. The DVD only contains black belt matches. Kron is gaining quite the following so I bet if he wins with seven straight submissions or something they'll put the brown belts on this year. Which still leaves me out as I am a purple :td: Of course I have a camera so we should at least have some sort of shitty video at the minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyne
And I want to put jiu jitsu competition and my involvement therein into perspective. There are a half a dozen reputable schools in the Seattle area. Two of which are Gracie Barra. So there are a limited number of colored belts in town and an even more limited number of colored belts willing to compete. For instance at the last tournament I competed in there was seven blue belts in attendance. I weighed 213lbs in street clothes and everything and my next closest competitor was 185lbs. I fought him first and he didn't tap so I popped his elbow and then I had two 155lb guys coming up and saying "I'm not fighting you". So this other guy that was like 180 stepped up but I was all verklempt from hurting the poor first guy and I really couldn't get into it so I got beat by armbar. This kind of story wouldn't exactly be unusual for a local tournament.
I was still coming back from my collar bone thing and missed what would have been my first tournament as a purple belt. In the purple belts we have four Gracie Barra guys two of whom are underweight and not much of a match, a 185er who I crush at the academy for free and my friend Jesse. Me and Jesse could solve who's better on any given day for free at the academy. Oh yeah the dude from Oregon that beat me at blue belt is a purple now so I would like to crush him too but I don't want to drive for an hour and spend $50 to wait six hours to fight a guy I'm pretty certain couldn't pull off a miracle twice. Is it worth it?
So anyway there's one coming up at West Seattle High on the 9th. It's close to home so I'm very interested. It'll feature the usual cast of characters. If the guy from Oregon that beat me doesn't come up I'm not going to fight. Too close to the Pan Ams to risk injury messing around with the guys I can train with any time I want.
THe Pan Ams is huge. There were 1700 competitors last year. Not only is there no shortage of colored belts, but all weight classes and even age groups are represented. I'll do Purple belt masters which is 30-35 year olds. I'm hoping for 194lbs with the gi on but I'm one of "the lucky ones" who puts on muscle size and weight with no problem. I was 197 one week ago and am 203 already. I'd need to be 188 without the gi and that's a good deal lighter than I've been been since about 1999ish. The next class up is 207. I don't mind the bigger guys but I move better when I'm light so it may behoove me to put forth the extra effort in the diet department.
I am kind of worried about all the sandbagging that's going to be going on at the Pan Ams. On the day of my fights I'll have been a purple belt about exactly six months. My friend Rafael was a purple belt for SEVEN YEARS. I dunno. But then again some brown belt mentioned I maybe got my purple too soon and I straight up gaffled him with no problem. Anyways I'm tripping on rank and I hate it.
Plus I'm having a resurgence of this fungus. If this isn't gone soon I am in trouble. I'll be missing the Friday boathouse workout tonight and it's really killing me just thinking about it.
Ugh, I feel all insecure at the moment. Stupid fucking fungusass fungus.
Oh well here's a Jacare highlight. That'll cheer everybody up!
Pa, I think anyone that has ever competed can agree with your post.
Also, sandbagging is totally bullshit and happens at every tourney.
My first NAGA in my first gi match as a white belt I went up against a judo black belt. He figured since he didnt do any bjj, that he should enter as a white belt.
After one throw and five minutes of holding me in side control/100 kilos, I had my first (but not only by a long shot haha) tournament loss.
The two of you impress the hell out of me. Not just because you'd kick my ass, either. Although, I'd hope if Pa kicked my ass, he'd at least smoke me out afterwards.
Part of my new year's resolution is to take more BJJ classes. I have an outstanding teacher at my gym (Dino Costeas) and I think my conditioning is now up to the point where I won't throw up on somebody.
I didn't know you competed. Don't you need a rest day or something so your body doesn't die? I'm new to the workout game. I'm 183 pounds down from 215-217ish after about a year. I just started lifting weights now that I'm a reasonable weight. I still look big though. My upper body is naturally broader I guess. Definitely not a useful physique for scrapping. You smaller fast little bastards were always the hardest to handle in high school.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCrappa
Just shout NO MERCY!!!!! after popping a guys arm in 2 pieces and nobody will want to fight you. You'll be champion by default. Except for the losing part... you'll probably have to stop doing that to be champion. Why are you worried about fungus anyway? You should tell them before the match so they're all freaked out. Try to come up with a cool mushroom themed slogan you can chant. Tell them it's highly contagious through touch even though it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCrappa
What about your corporate image? You said you were worried about coming in with black eyes and busted lips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
? you couldn't lift weights at 200+?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
You can be impressed with Kidnemo if you like but don't be impressed too much with me. In fact, I'd say fulfill your resolution and be impressed with yourself. Is Dino still a part of Rickson's network? Even if he's not he sounds like he has the background to be a great teacher. I read his whole website last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
Yes, I rest on Sundays just like it says in my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
Since you haven't trained before how the heck do you know this? I'm not small, little, fast or a bastard and I do fine.Quote:
Definitely not a useful physique for scrapping.
Uh, yeah. Andrew, just because you're out looking for a good time on a Friday night doesn't mean that anything that pops into your head is funny. If you should ever decide to sack up and train be sure to not be the sucker running around thinking he's smarter/funnier than he really is like you do here.Quote:
Just shout NO MERCY!!!!! after popping a guys arm in 2 pieces and nobody will want to fight you. You'll be champion by default. Except for the losing part... you'll probably have to stop doing that to be champion. Why are you worried about fungus anyway? You should tell them before the match so they're all freaked out. Try to come up with a cool mushroom themed slogan you can chant. Tell them it's highly contagious through touch even though it isn't.
I hit 285 yesterday on bench, most I ever hit before, I was stucks at 245 for like 4 months.
ha-ha. You're such a crotchety old timer.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCrappa
Ya got that right.
I need some pec workout tips. I want to tone and shape my upper torso with more ferocity than I have been. Any tips?
Barbells on the incline and decline. Works wonders. Also, max out your pushups (don't come back until you can do a 75 pushups w/o a rest). USSS is ready for you when you can.
Bench, dips, flies, crossovers, decline, etc. Pushups aren't going to add much mass, and will work against exercises that do. 1-2 warmup sets with 4-5 sets of 4-6 reps. I'm sure Dolemite will have some more/better info.
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Originally Posted by Schlep
he never said he wanted bigger boobies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
I got pretty sexy doing 100 pushups and 100 feet on the couch pushups a day for a few months. Then I drank it all away.
"Toning" doesn't exist. You're either adding muscle mass or not. Believe me, a couple months of doing the exercises I mentioned won't turn you into Arnold. 2-3 years won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyne
MaxOT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schlep
I can do 50 right now so I'll aim higher. I don't know what the fuck all the terms are. I just want better shoulders, pecs and arms. My arms are coming along nicely from doing basic barbell exercises for the past 4 months or so. I added more weight recently and noticed a huge difference in the first week alone. I also began doing more push-ups and noticed the sides of my arms tightening up. I don't care about my back so much but I do exercises for it just so everything will be consistent for a full workout.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Meach
Nothing crazy. I plan on doing this for the rest of my life so it's not like I don't have time to healthily test things out and see how I like them. This isn't a workout ramp up for the next few months. It's 3 - 4 days a week I commit to exercising so my quality of life is awesome.
Yep. He's the only official Rickson Gracie rep in Illinois.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCrappa
Dude you should be training there. No excuses. The smartest piece of advice I got was from a guy who had been training with Renzo for eight years before I ever started jiu jitsu: "Don't let not being in shape keep you away. Sign up immediately and let jiu jitsu get you in shape". So I did and it was a good move. I was 31 and that's older than you are now so that means you better not bullshit around.
In other news, I am fungus free and back on the mat. Monday was my first night back after a total of 5+ weeks fucked over by the worm. It's been a grueling week but my cardio is coming back and I learned a fancy rolling omoplata as a counter to the double leg. So that's rad.
And tonight is Friday so that means boathouse workout. Tonight we did a circuit of four sets of two minutes worth of reps with a 30 second break over four different exercises.
Kettlebell swings - I used 35lb
Slam burpees - slam a 12lb medicine ball as hard as you can from way overhead and then bust a sprawl
Pulling a rope connected to a tire with two 45lb plates hand over hand like a fisherman would pull in a net while standing in place
Start with slosh tube at 45 degree angle, lift heavy end to Zurcher grip squat and set it down the other way (BRUTAL!!!)
So after 32 minutes of that we did three sets of five "Turkish getups" on each side with 35lb kettlebell
And after that I did four sets of five gi pullups alternating left and right hand judo grips (one hand on the collar and one on the sleeve)
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2940/gipullpl5.jpg
Hey Kidnemo, your old compadre Paul W took that pic :tu:
The local tournament I mentioned is next weekend. I'll have had like nine days of training. I think I'll do it anyway if the guy that beat me is there or the aforementioned Jesse who I haven't fought before and is pretty close to my weight. Or if somebody else that I haven't seen before shows up that's close to my weight (201 today). I hope I get a match or two. A tuneup tourney a couple months before the big hurrah would be nice.
lol nice!
Have someone take some vids of your matches and post 'em up.
I hear you. I'm actually in fairly good shape. I'm not in good enough shape yet, however, to roll in BJJ class after I've done an hour-and-a-half of Muay Thai or boxing. I need to work it out so that I dedicate at least two days a week solely to BJJ. I'll definitely do it because I'd like to become fairly competent at it by the time I hit 35. Muay Thai, as well. I love that shit even though my shins are absolutely killing me right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCrappa
I started working out for serious when this thread started quite a while back (thanks, Dole!). I developed some pretty sweet titty muscles amongst other things. I am the same weight as when I started (I was down to around 170ish last year but since I've gone back up to 180ish) but I definetly have a hell of a lot more muscle. I still feel kinda fat on some days.
Tomorrow starts the "lolserious business at the gym" routine because I want to look sexy for your mom lol.
I would run more but sometimes my knees ache even after walking up stairs. I would do more situps/crunches/leg lifts/whatever if my whole back didnt go up in flames after one or two sets. I "run" for at least 20-30 minutes on the eliptical at the gym (doesnt hurt the ol' knees) everytime I go in to work out but I'd like to find something else. I really suck at basketball and I cant go back to hockey because I dont have a team. Any suggestions?
In my experience everyone says they have "bad knees" and they "can't run". Running is just like any excercise - you need to have correct form, start slowly, and it will be uncomfortable at first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhydant
After you stick with it a while, you'll become more comfortable with it and the pain will subside.
For many people after they start running the muscles around the knee tighten up and better hold the knee in place which makes the knee feel better when they run, which facilitates even more running.
Of course some people have legitimate medical reasons for not running, but I recommend that everyone see a doctor, have their legs checked out, and most likely they'll get the a-okay.
In my opinion nothing can top running, but if you are looking for other cardio excercises, you could give the ole rowing machine a go, or try a low weight/high rep/short time between sets work out like that Randy Couture workout I mentioned early in the thread.
All just my opinion of course. :)
his back hurting makes me worry. for crunches, it could just be bad form but bad form for crunches usually means a sore neck. for everything else i'm thinking reverse situps would be an option. no weight at first, then slowly add some in held to your chest. having your core working fine in the front but not the back means either improper form underdeveloped back muscles. in which case i would watch how much you do on squats. no need to blow out your back for your leg development.
Biking and swimming are both good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhydant
i have to suggest to everybody to pick up the perfect pushup, god damn will that thing leave you sore the first time you use it, after that you can feel the results, its good for pretty much your entire upper body, and its only $20 at wal-mart
I've always wondered about Bowflex, is it any good?
you'd be better off with a real weight machine.
http://www.ambersports.com/images/I/150PSl.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by everlast88
IMO.
Did I give you some advice? I don't remember. But you're welcome anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhydant
Tennis is a good workout, and it's usually easy to find one other person to play with.Quote:
I really suck at basketball and I cant go back to hockey because I dont have a team. Any suggestions?
Also, find some rough terrain and go hiking. Or a pool and go swimming. Or a bicycle and go biking.
Kidnemo may not ever be able to finish drawing Washed Ashore, but he's 100% on the ball with this. Whenever I run, bodyfat pratically melts off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidnemo
I'm sure Bowflex would be fine to start out with if you can't or don't want to join a gym. The top end home gyms, though, will cost much more than a gym membership. For the amount of one of those, you could join 24 hour fitness or something like that for the next 10 years. Also you don't get all the benefits like a pool, tennis courts, basketball courts, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
I run a lot and I lost like 35 pounds. I'm 182 down from like 217 or something like that when I started. I also only eat salad for lunch at work except for one day a week where I allow myself to go nuts and eat something really unhealthy like Quiznos or shawarma or a burrito. Losing weight is the easiest thing to do when getting healthy. Building muscle seems to be harder, so far atleast.
meh, i kind of enjoy the rotating handles, but once you start doing something one way your kind of fucked into doing it that way foreverQuote:
Originally Posted by Kidnemo
Fuck man. What matches? Don't you know that the universe will only allow me one week of hard training before the communicable skin bullshit takes me down like a bat to the knees? That's right. It's back. And worse. I've known about it since Monday but have not wanted to post about it because it brings me down. If this shit takes five weeks to clear up again I'm pretty well fucked out of the Pan Ams too :td:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidnemo
i should have something for you tomorrow that might clear up your blues. i'll make a special thread just for you.
Pa, not trying to bring you down but is this shit regular in the BJJ environment or something going on at your gym? Aren't they cleaning the mats there or am I missing something?
I feel for you Pa, I know exactly how it goes.
You following all doc instructions to get rid of the grossness I hope?
We have some of the cleanest mats I've ever been on, and I've still picked up some nastiness.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Meach
With all the contact, even with clean mats, there is always the possibility of grabbing something.
MRSA has really started to become a problem in gyms and school wrestling programs in the last few years.
I used to run, and hated every minute of it. Then I found the rowing machine which is amazing.
Well, the problem I have is the herpes virus. Me thinking I had ringworm was just a one man circle jerk of denial. I never had this shit on the dong or the mouth but now I get "cold sores" on my forearm. The first one took five weeks to get rid of and this one looks a little worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Meach
This is horrible. I went to the tournament yesterday as a coach. It was great fun but as I told one of our guys who was competing: "I'd rather put on the gi, walk out on that mat and lose in ten seconds than have arm herpes for the rest of my life". Jesse Ruth was there taking photos. When I asked if he had a fight he said there wasn't anybody close to his weight and he didn't feel like fending off a bunch of crazyass smaller dudes so he said fuck it. I told him how much I had been looking forward to fighting him and mentioned my predicament and we both agreed that it sucks.
Now my av/sig/location is just a bummer to me. I think I'll be changing that shit before I make another post.
dude that really sucks :( check your myspace.
...arm herpes?!?
Not much else to call it I guess.
Thanks Dyneman I'm heading to myspace now...
*edit* WHOAH! NICE! I wish it was me man :tu:
no problem. i would have gotten a pic of the outside but it was already too dark.
Well this one is gone now. It only took two weeks as opposed to five for the last one. I was clean enough to attend the boathouse workout Friday. Here it go right here:
Run across the parking lot and back with the same tire as last time with the same two 45lb plates on it hooked up at the waist by a rope with a belt.
Kettlebell snatches (35lb for me)
Bear crawls w/35lb dumbells with 12lb medicine ball slams at either end of the track.
So the time keeper was the tire guy. As soon as he arrives back at the start we all switch. There were four of us so we got one rest round for each circuit. They did it six times but I was late so I only did four.
Here's hoping I stay healthy and clean for long enough to get some training going.
You guys do some weird shit. Whatever happened to just pumping some iron?
i may be needing wrist surgery here soon which means no use of my left arm. besides running, i'm pretty fucked as far as doing anything else.
That'll make you look plenty good for the club on Friday night. However we are trying to perform at the tournament on Saturday morning. DO U C? BTW, the coach is a powerlifting hobbyist. he knows his shit and if he thought lifting would help us perform that's what we'd be doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
Sorry to hear about your wrist Dyne. The very idea of surgery is always frightening to me.
Built for show vs. built to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
I'd rather be built for show. I have no real use for muscles when I work at a desk all day designing things or on the road to meet clients and sort out issues.
Vanity. Get over it.
Anyway, last night's boathouse thing was just like the one before where we went to the park with the little grassy hills and all that. This time there was no mud though.
I can understand this but you can have both. It's just the types of exercises and training you do. I incorporate both, though you will lose some mass in a trade-off for far superior conditioning, flexibility, and fast twitch muscle development. It's like adding substance to style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
If you're completely for show, at least do legs. I have lose respect for people who say their lift weights/weight train/bodybuild but don't do legs, unless they have a history of back or knee injuries.
I did 350 bodyweight squats monday night. Is that doing legs?
When you're in a visual arts industry aesthetics are important (not that important, though). Still, if I'm not going to be using my hardcore belt-belt-in-kicking-ass physique why bother with it? Gooch's suggestion of having both makes more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCrappa
I do squats and lunges. I'll be honest though; I do get lazy with them. My legs are in good condition generally -- maybe moreso than my upper body. My legs are naturally large while my arms aren't humungous. They weren't until I started pumping iron, anyway. I can run really fast for someone my size, though. I used to get ribbons and stuff all the time during fitness competitions at school. This really has nothing to do with working out so much as lucky genetics, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
Andrew. Do you suppose I do all that crazy work and come away with nothing worth showing? Do you think I get shot down by women and they tell me "Maybe if you were doing heavy bench presses instead of all those pushups you'd have the chest girth required for me to allow you to pay for my dinner"? I have to imagine that I do just as well in the show department as many of our TNL "bodybuilders" do. And to achieve it I get to run around in the mud and do crazy dynamic shit. Whilst the vainsters sweat on vinyl and talk numbers.
No I believe that. But you do a lot more work for that too, and have a lot more commitment to training as well as lifting. So the issue here isn't whether or not your workout is good. We know it is. It's whether or not it's practical for everyone and everyone's goals, which it might not be depending on the person.
Fair enough. My last post was in direct response to this bit:
Probably should've quoted it then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
Having both is the obvious option here if you're committed to that. If an exercise makes you look good and is functional for actually helping performance too then it's the best of both world's and there's no reason not to do it. Unless there's a cheaper, easier and faster solution that will give you the definition without so much performance and you don't care about performance (maybe there isn't, maybe there is, but that comes down to expertise I suppose).
On show vs. go:
One of the things I've found out about myself is that working out for health and/or "looks" just doesn't motivate me. Yeah, I'll go to the gym and yes, it's nice to see results (especially when you can pick up a heavier weight or notice your arms looking bigger, or getting on the scale and seeing improvement). But what really motivates me is competition.
When I'm competing (no matter the sport) I don't care how hard I'm working and it's not a chore to go to the basketball court, or the pool, or whatever. Testing myself against another person is such a great rush.
Yeah, bodybuilders can compete, and any workout regimen can be a "competition" against yourself, but it's just not the same, imo. I need a competitor, or at least the clock (when I'm in the pool) to compete against.
Training for something gets me to the gym. Ego does not.
i completely agree with all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Meach
No, you have to hit 400 to qualify. I'm surprised you're such a vain pretty boy, Pa.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCrappa
I'm just saying that one can mix up his training. I prefer the functional strength I get from MMA training, but I also like to retain and add mass, especially in the legs and arms. If, however, someone is only willing to do weight lifting, for the love of God, do legs. It's a joke seeing all these tough gym guys who won't touch the squat rack but will do arms and chest twice to three times a week.
I train for showing and going, I suppose. In other words, I don't just try to build muscles; I'm training to be in shape. I lift heavy (which not only strengthens muscles, but your skeletal structure as well, especially as you get older), I do a lot of stretching to maximize my flexibility (and I'm naturally pretty flexible as it is), and I vary the types and intensity of cardio that I do (running, biking, swimming) so I have decent endurance and keep my body fat low. That's all I need for my lifestyle.
If you're training to compete in legit fighting competitions, then all that extra stuff like kettle pulls or whatever the fuck they are will serve you well (and exercise in all its glorious forms is what this thread is all about, anyway). I just don't care about doing MMA-specific stuff personally because there's probably zero chance that I'll ever get into a MMA-based street fight. Someone fucks with me and tries to go for a full mount or some shit, I'll just pull out their fucking eyeball.
IBTN. I have huge guys at my gym with legs that make them look like they have polio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
I train each muscle group once a week, especially legs.
Dolemite I agree with you 100%. But I do want to make sure that nobody here thinks I do anything related to MMA. I am strictly about Brazilian jiu jitsu with the gi on. I only watch MMA on the TV set.
MMA or gi-only BJJ, your training regimen seems intense enough to go in any sport. I know I'd throw up a couple dozen times and I'm not sure I could make it through a workout.
BTW, anyone notice that Tiger Schulmann's changed their name from Tiger Schulmann's Karate to Tiger Schulmann's Mixed Martial Arts…? lol.
They have some... questionable business practices but they actually have some legitimate competitors.
LOL. "Tiger Schulmann's". I am going to have to look this up.
You never heard of it? I see them everywhere in NY but I'm not sure where the chain extends to. Basically it's like McDonald's, but for martial arts.
I was maxing out earlier today at the gym and could only hit 265 on incline bench press and hit 255 on regular bench. I don't know what the problem is, I guess I need to work on my arms more and less on my chest. I also did 405 on squats but it wasn't really a max, I was just seeing if I could still do it.
That's weak. I do 406 easy.
;)Are those metric weights?Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCrappa
Hell no. 406 stone.
that's old school.
You see what you're dealing with here? I trained under Farmer Burns. And the Gipper.
Not Popeye or Hercules?
Hercules had an injured wang (never did know his own strength imo) and Popeye was battling leukoplakia at the time so I did the best with what staff I had available. My forearms would show alot more definition now if I'd had Popeye in my corner.
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Originally Posted by PaCrappa
Old training partner. I used to do hindu squats on his ass.
+1 Pacrappa.
Matt Furey is awesome!
that is sarcasm I hate him
Me too. I had his book over here for the longest time and I somehow have original copies of his "Combat Stretching" LOL! DVDs. Which is a mystery. My god you should see some of the stupid fucking shit.
Actually, the stretches are good and alot of the info was new to me. But he just adds so much time consuming and boring anecdotal bullshit like he thinks people care more about him than the information. Ugh, I hate him! Perhaps the most annoying workout personality I can think of. But then again he's one of the few I know about so there could be worse.
You don't really need workout tapes, just do pushups and situp tell you feel like your going to die, and you will look like a God.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCrappa