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THis is not news Jake. I don't know how I got those DVDs and my mom gave me some stability ball DVD as well. That's the long and the short of my workout tape collection. The actual content in both is great. But that Furey is an egomaniacal Ned Flanders that gets on every last nerve in a hurry.
BAck track this thread if you wanna see what I really do.
I watched him on youtube and decided that he didn't know what the hell he was talking about. Do you max out ever on bench Pacrappa?
I don't bench. I've given lengthy details earlier in this thread.
I found it, thats a damn good workout program, lots of ways to mix things up and such.
I'm currently procrastinating like a mofo about my morning routine to talk with TNL.
Sore shoulder :td:
I don't know how much I can bench, but I do know I can throw and choke the shit out of a man that weighs twice what I do.
We have a winner!
Everyone always mentions squats (I switch between front/back/overhead) when talking legs, but don't forget deadlifts.
I don't squat. I hate 'em. I'm tall, and it's too hard not to bend over while doing them.
I just pile a lot of plates on the leg press machine.
http://thetlab.com/images/Leg_press.jpg
I'm also a big fan of reverse lunges. But I prefer to do them with a barbell behind the neck rather than with dumbells in my hands; the added strain and effort of having to balance the weight adds a degree of difficulty but really makes the workout. I usually do this after squats and it can really kill so I definitely go low weight on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valgar
I've recently discovered deadlifts. I figured that they'd be the last thing I could handle with my wonky back but they actually make me feel much better. I'm still going light with high reps to make sure I build proper form as muscle memory.
Well I guess I'll tell you guys what's been going on. I haven't trained BJJ or been to the boathouse in over two weeks. I tweaked my neck just a little working singles and then about ten minutes later we ramped shit up significantly and my boy deflected my shit and I crashed headfirst into the wall. I kept training like a wild injun for about two more weeks because what the fuck am I gonna do without insurance anyhow? Then on my night to teach my physical therapist came in to check on her son who trains and noticed right away that I was fucked up. She said if I was in pain to not hesitate to come in. Oh was I ever glad. I'm sort of on the sidedoor program with that place so I'd never ask on my own. I made an appointment the next day.
When I got there she had me lay down on the table and started feeling around my neck and traps. Actually it was my right trap that was all bunched up (so much that she could see it with my gi on) and paining me but she said that was just guarding my neck. So she pushed, pulled and turnt my neck and head for a good fifteen minutes and said all sorts of pleasant shit like "Well you don't like flexion or extension and that's not good" along with "I can't budge anything in there" and "Your upper cervical area is INCREDIBLY inflamed" followed by "You are hurt. Don't be alittle tester. You don't need to move your head around a bunch to see if you're injured because you definitely are and you need to take it easy, real easy". She never says stuff like that so I knew she meant business. After she was done poking around she had her aide put me on ice and nothing else. No electricity, no ultrasound, no laser and NO EXERCISE. Which scared me most of all because the bulk of what goes on there is patients exercising.
The next time was only two days later and I wasn't a whole ton better. She did allow the aide to run me through all the aforementioned therapeutic devices as well as ice again, and again she sent me home with no exercise. Talk about discouraging.
Visit three found me looking a little bit better and she had me start some extremely light exercise. 3x20 1kg stepbacks with a line attached to my head. 3x20 small nods with 400 grams hanging off the front of my head followed by another 3x20 with the same weight in back. Then came the kicker: Supine cranial rotations. I was instructed to go with 1kg both left and right. Right was no biggie but left I couldn't even do two in a row. So she stopped me altogether and did a whole shitload more poking around my neck, head and shoulders. She decided that the most likely thing is that I tore a muscle in my upper neck right near where it hooks up to the skull.
So on the next visit I did all of the aforementioned exercises but with 400 grams on the left side rotations. It was really hard but doable. That was the middle of last week. She has since added in 3x20 pulldowns with four plates on this funkyass machine, ten minutes on the erg bike and 3x15 30kg benchpresses. And today I went up from 400 to 500 grams on the lefty rotations.
I think I'm going to be fine but I'm still not supposed to run, train jiu jitsu or do much of anything else strenuous.
So the Pan Ams are done. I'm going but not competing. Right now I'm just hoping to be healthy enough to train while in LA.
AHA! I don't weigh twice what you do so I will win!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidnemo
Does anybody notice that they can tell when they're coming down with something before symptoms show up simply by the amount of fatigue they experience while working out? I think I'm coming down with the flu or a cold or something because I was noticeably and unusually fatigues at 15 minutes during my run this evening when I got home from work and my dumbbells felt as though they weighed twice what they normally do. I've been keeping up with my routine and other than the fatigue I was fine (no unusually sore joints, etc).
Last year when I came down with a bad head-cold I noticed the same thing. So in a few days I will be able to tell. NO NEED FOR DOCTORS NOW I'VE BEATEN THE SYSTEM!
I really enjoy the challenge of balancing when doing squats and lunges with the dumbbells in my hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
After two weeks of absolutely nothing due to my neck injury/cold/bronchitis/sinus infection my professor and I rolled down to Tacoma to visit T-Town MMA. Hilltop Jimmy (the guy that runs the place) was due for his purple belt and his boy was up for his blue. We sparred with every single guy in the place (17!) for two minutes each with a fifteen second break in between each one. It was the hardest thing I ever done and I am glad to say that my neck is the only part of my body that does not hurt. What a way to ease back in to jiu jitsu!
Think I'm gonna start working out 3 times a week or so starting tomorrow, and then hopefully be in decent enough shape in a month to start learning swing dancing. I'll probably pay extra for a personal trainer person for the first day so I can figure out what I want to do etc.
Good call. Especially on the swing dancing. Mega tang awaits.
Also giving up *gulp* candy for good. And probably gonna just start drinking scotch and drop beer for the most part, though New Castle is only 15 carbs a bottle.
Plus Swing dancing is one of the coolest forms of dance IMO. Though I know of someone who use to do competitive ballroom dancing >.>
Nah man, no alcohol. And you should never look at a candy bar or soda pop ever again. There's nothing redeeming in the latter two and while alcohol has its moments they are few and far between in real life. Get in the shape you want to be in and then get back to the alcohol if you like. But never again for the candy and soda. Never.
I was looking at Scotch etc and they didn't really have anything that seemed would do much damage, just beer has the most additives.
It's the dehydration. Dehydration is the enemy. Especially if you're trying to lose any weight. You want to pound water water water all day long and into the night.
Pound water in between scotches?
I drink a lot of water ^.^
Yeah, swing is awesome.
You need at least an ounce for every pound of bodyweight. I'm not saying you're not doing it like that but most people don't.
No, I'm not doing it like that, I probably go through about 10-15 cups a day. Everytime I get hungry when I shouldn't eat something I just drink more water. But no I'm not doing it as an exact science.
If you weigh 200 lbs that's 200oz of water a day. That seems a bit much. I've been told HALF your body weight in oz. So, 200lb = 100oz of water/day.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCrappa
Maybe whoever gave you your advice just went with a more realistic number? PaCrappa is pretty hardcore in to working out (before his arm fungus and neck problem or whatever) so 200oz for him probably isn't a problem, discipline wise.
I drink a lot of water everyday. I started when I decided to lose weight last year and it worked REALLY well. But I did cut soda out and reduced my alcohol intake by a large margin, too. I never ate candy that much. I lost like 30 pounds so far. Though I've been slowly adding them on by lifting weights for the past 6 months or so.
I try to drink two gallons a day when in full swing. Which is 256oz. I usually weigh 210lbs if I'm not thinking about my diet. After all this sickness bullshit I'm between 195-200. Hydration is serious business especially if you're an oldster in a young man's sport like I am.
If you're at your perfect weight and you have no intention of sweating then .5oz per pound of bodyweight is probably more than enough.
I usually swig around 110oz a day out of habit. I just keep a big water bottle by my desk and rape the water cooler at lunch filling it up (or whenever I need it).
I've had to up my water intake and I'm still not drinking enough. I know this because on occassion I will start to cramp up when I'm training, somewhere around the 1 hour 10 minute mark, and it renders me useless. I sweat like a whore on payday, too, so I lose my water pretty quickly.
Alright.
I've decided enough with the bullshit, I'm going to start a serious weight cutting program. For eleven weeks I'm going to the gym 5 or 6 days a week and busting my ass. I wanna look good and sexy for Dole at the NYC meetup. Lawl.
I'm cutting my caloric intake to about 1200 daily with a low fat type diet in mind. If I eat out (which I'll try damn hard not to do) I'll order a fuckin' salad. Otherwise I have a pretty good food setup at home that wont leave me starving. No soda or high sugar juice shit or anything like that. Just water and maybe some milk in the morning.
At the gym I'll continue my regular lifting workout, but I'm going to do it better. Better form and technique and such. I'll also be doing the HIIT thing. I've done some reading on the intarwebs and it looks a hell of a lot better than doing hours of cardio. I did it on the eliptical today and it felt pretty good, so I'll stick with it and pump up the volue ( lol ) with regularity.
As far as supplements go, I have no goddamn idea. I'm going to start taking the multivitamin I got from CostCo again (its big, weirdish gray-color, and taste bad. So thats good, right?) twice daily. Thinking about a fiber supplement. And glutamine. For protien I'm going back to Designer Whey (The intarwebs say its a solid protien drink) but I'd be open to something else.
So, TNL, does this sound like a good plan? PLEASE JEBUS tell me if I'm doing something horribly wrong. I've been going to the gym off and mostly on for about two years, so I'm in alright shape, I'm just a little tubby (lolfat). And Opaque is no help because all he wants to do is watch Anime.
Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated. Tell me what I'm doing wrong, right, or what else I should be doing.
I'm going to get it done this time. No fucking excuses.
I wouldn't go all the way down to 1200 unless you're like teeny tiny. Don't try to not eat out. Just don't eat out. I prefer vegan protein supplements. No I'm not a vegan but I don't like the idea of the majority of my protein coming from some cow-pus byproduct. That one's probably just me though. Don't over do it with the multis. If it says to take it twice a day go ahead. Water water water water water water water water. Hydration is serious business if you want to drop weight. Green tea is real nice too and I use it as my base for my protein shakes. There is nothing wrong with regular ol' cardio, especially if you want to drop weight. Don't trade any lifting/hi intensity time for it but it's great for burning off the fats.
PS: Your mom did it on the elliptical today.
I want to work on my abs and arms (My legs are pretty alright) and maybe my (lol ass) Glute. But I'm not sure how I should go about dieiting besides dropping the sugar for the most part.
I mean for me I've just got a little belly, that's about it, my arms are pretty alright already but I'm not actually in shape. Should I do specific workouts or should I just worry about getting in shape and that'll take care of it naturally.
I'm just kinda confused where I should start.
Low weight high reps thief.
Sounds good to me.
And to clarify, when I said vegan protein I did not mean soy. NO SOY unless you're a chick.
Thief, on the diet try to stay away from processed crap. Meat, veggies and maybe some sort of decent carbs. I like to use whole wheat tortillas and Farmer Bob's Muesli/rolled oats for my carb intake. Stay away from bread fo sho.
So.. no sandwhiches? Why must this shit be such a pain in the ass.
I gotta figure out what to start making myself for lunch.
Get the low carb pita bread from Buehlers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
Good call.
I don't know, 1200 daily seems pretty low for a guy, especially if you're going to be doing serious working out too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhydant
I need to drink more water, everyone keeps really stressing that but I don't do it enough. I started taking these green tea suppliments and they really do make me feel great.
Yeah apparently targeting certain spots on your body to lose weight doesn't work. (From what I've read, countless times.) And running is really one of the best things you can do to shed pounds, but you can't control what parts your body chooses to lose the fat first.Quote:
Should I do specific workouts or should I just worry about getting in shape and that'll take care of it naturally.
I use to run, but now I do most of my workout on the ellipticals, I just like it better. (Probably because it's easier.)
I only need to lose fat from my belly (And I guess my ass) but yeah I love running but I get shin splints that never seem to stop, I'll probably try running again this year but I may go to the rec center and do swimming.
If only I could run for about 25 miles I'd be thin in no time flat.
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Originally Posted by Thief Silver
You also need to do crunches to work on your lats bro, and squats for you er, butt.
This is too low for a male, no matter what your weight (unless you're an actual midget I guess). You need to post height/weight/waist measurement to get a real recommendation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhydant
You can't spot reduce. I would lift and eat better before throwing in cardio. Cardio, especially by itself, is a non-stop train to Fatty McGee land unless it's your life (cyclist, marathon runner, etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
I thought you were supposed to do some Cardio before lifting etc?
I don't agree with schlep on this. However cardio should be done on your off days when you are not lifting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
So like 30 minutes of cardio each day and then lifting the other day?
I would start out at 15 thief, you're heart is a muscle too. Don't overwork it in the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
Right now my resting heart rate is about 70, so I don't think I'm too horribly off (So my target is like 55 or so)
70 is a bit high, well maybe not, you're a smaller guy. Mine is at 50-55 resting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
No, 70 is a bit high, being in decent shape is about 60. 40-60 is where you are if you are more serious about it. At least that's what I was reading about cardio.
You don't really strike me as being overweight or anything. Odd.
I'm just not in shape is all. I haven't worked out or done cardio, and since my job doesn't require me to do much exercise haven't done anything besides run up my stairs each day to work on it.
And I am a little overweight. or at least moreso, my weight isn't where it should be.
For starters it sounds like you have the right attitude. I would, however, not limit myself to the caloric intake levels you are describing. You are not trying to walk the runway here nor look and feel emaciated. I would rather focus on eating the right foods rather than your caloric intake. Personally, I think people who focus more on limiting caloric intake are the ones who would prefer to starve themselves than to work themselves into shape. And do cardio, do cardio, do cardio. Preferably do it after your weight-training or on your non-weight training days. With diet and cardio, you won't hide the results of your hard work in the gym. I would recommend doing something fun for your cardio and not some hamster in a wheel shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhydant
I've taken all the supplements GNC had in my lifetime but the only one I still mess with to this day is protein. That's all I think you need, don't even mess with Hydroxycut.
Consistency and discipline is the key to training. 5-6 days a week is not necessary but may work for you depending on how your body reacts, otherwise you will be overtraining. I go to the gym 5 days a week but spend no more than 40 minutes there, so don't fall into the trap of thinking you have to spend 1-2 hours there. Most people who do that are either overtraining or undertraining and watching the girls or the TVs.
Once you see your body change to your delight, you will become addicted. Until you get to that point, it will be a challenge, but you sound like you're up to it, so get it done.
Gooch speaks the truth. The two hardest things to do concerning working out are not quit in the first month, and coming to grips with your limitations.
Yeah I'm moreso worried about staying dedicated to it, I haven't started yet like I said I would XD. But I gotta figure out what I need/want to do in the first place.
If 3 of the biggest potheads on TNL can stay dedicated to staying in shape and working out, so can you Thief. Even though Gooch and PaCrappa are far more hardcore than I will ever be, my point still stands.
You don't know me very well. Staying dedicated to things is exactly what I have a hard time with. I am unable to focus on things for a long period of time, it just breaks down to the point where even if I force myself out to do it, I have a hard time staying motivated.
The hardest part though is forcing myself out there.
First of all, re: Cardio. Say you do 30 minutes of moderate intensity which, depending on the person, gives you say 250 calories burned. Then say you even get a 100 calorie boost from EPOC (which is being overly generous). And say that you stick to this for 3 days a week for 9 weeks. That's only about 2.75 pounds lost in 9 weeks for 13.5 hours worth of effort.
I'm not saying cardio is useless, but when you're trying to get rid of fat, it's about the least productive thing you can do, especially since you'll already be on a calorie limited diet plan.
As far as not limiting calories when trying to drop fat, don't be ridiculous. Now you can argue that if you're eating what's right for you that more than likely you'll be coming in underneath BMR, but it's better to track what you're eating. Eating 500-1000 calories below your BMR is the most important part of fat loss without question.
Here's a question, candies like Suckers or anything that you can suck down to nothing, would those actually be acceptable to eat. Same with gum.
Candies are pure sugar, so no. In case your mom didn't tell you, you shouldn't eat gum. If you're asking about chewing gum, there's nothing wrong with it except that it screws up your teeth.
XD no I don't eat gum.
What if I spit out my Candy filled Saliva?!
I really gotta start in on a weight loss/exercise program. Couple years ago, I got myself down to 240 from 320 in about 6 months.(probably due to my ulcer more than anything)
Unfortunately laziness, bad eating, and marriage(lol) have landed me back at 310. Luckily I still have some muscle, and I'm 6 foot so I don't look like an orca, but I still look like shit, and feel the same way.
I want to get at least down to 250, put a little muscle back on. And to look good for the TNL Chicago meet-up.
If you're saying you need a fix for sweets, try sugar free Jell-O with a little bit of cool whip. That's about 35 calories.
Preferably it would instead be yogurt (the 100 calorie kind).
Meh, Dark chocolate is fine in moderation too. Actually anything is fine in moderation. But if you read the serving size on a bag of chips/candy bar etc, you will see that you consume 4-5 suggested serving sizes every time you scarf a bag of doritos or a kit kat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schlep
Hrm as I think about it, I probably want to put ON weight (In the right places) as well. Ugh so much thought to go into this.
You want the easy answer? Pick a sport that's fun and do that shit. Problem solved.
I pick curling!
You'll be Ken Patera in no time at all my friend :tu:
No silly,
I know what curling is and my statement stands.
I always wanted to be Dino Bravo :(
That's a great role model! He did bench 600lbs on television with Jesse Ventura spotting him.
Ok, who here is an EXPECT at working out?
I worked out most of last year, but I got lazy. I need to get back on track and I plan to very soon.
That was awesome, pacrappa we gotta blaze and watch some old school rasslin
Don't worry Aren, I am here to help. I EXPECT to work out tomorrow around 5:30 am. I'll let you know how it goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by aren
who is an expect? read the fucking thread. pretty much everything has been answered a million times and the last page sums it up again.Quote:
Originally Posted by aren
I AM KING EXPECT!
NO UR NOT, IM KING EXPECTORANT
BTW Pacrappa, I'm doing 50 sit ups and push ups every morning before I run. Now all the sudden I have a pretty mild but annoying back pain. Am I doing it wrong?
That depends EXPECTORANT-SAN. Alot of people think you need to be flat as a board when you do your pushups but for some (me included) this causes a bit too much lumbar extension and can cause some back pain. As far as the situps go, I'd have to see you do 'em and even then I might not have anything constructive to say. Both are great core exercises and obviously your back is part of your core. To strengthen your back/core try doing hyper extensions on a ball, reverse hyper extensions on the same ball and deadlifts. But that's coming from a person who has had honest to god back problems. All fixed now though thanks in large part to the almighty deadlift.
This post may have been useless.
No no no, I do them correctly, Michigan taught me right. I'm asking if I should do them AFTER I run instead of before.
Your left nut says no ones answered the question, "How can I work out my chest completely without using my arm right/shoulder?" I got limitations and it'd be be nice for someone who knows a lot about muscles and shit to help me out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyne
Oh shit. I don't know. I don't run. But I did like what Dole said some pages back about saving his running for last. For whatever reason it just seems like a good idea. But that's the opinion of someone who doesn't run and knows very little about it.
You need a physical therapist homie. Get with him/her and then take that info to a trainer and build your shit up. Nobody here can safely tell you how to handle your injuries. After a few visits to the pros, you should be able to handle the rest on your own. But you need real life specific info regarding your unique situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by aren
oh right. because your original post talked all about an injured shoulder. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by aren
like i said before in the thread. lots of semen shots and cock pushups. start with one pushup per day. no need to strain.
See the issue Pacrappa is that i have had, oh, a shit ton of surgery on my knees and shoulder, if I don't work out they lock up like a nun's pussy.
Ah man, you shouldn't ask me. I have yet to get knifed and as you well know, shit changes after the knifings.
Yeah. Multiple rotator cuff surgeries, two scopes on the right knee, one on the left. (ACL X2, MCLX1) and one tommy John!
Baseball and football killed my body, but I'll be damned if I wouldn't do it again.
Best advice ever given in this thread. Follow it and you are sure to succeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyne
Hmmm, how do you do it with your itty bitty pecker brandx? Do you kinda like have to come in from the side?
Come back when you understand the joke.
Oh I got it, can I tell them why they call you midge now?
You're trying way too hard.
See, you're not Gozen, that doesn't work for you. You just don't have that certain it, just for shits and giggles we'll call "it" intelligence and wit. Think about something funny, and come back and edit that post.
Pacrappa, have you tried pilates (I know it sounds gay) I hear good things about it for flexibility.
You need to be funny first big guy.
you're trying to hard
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!
My point exactly.
Cool.
Oh, baby. Can't wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhydant
1200? Hmm...depending on your current bodyweight, that might be a tad low. If you cut your calories too low, your body enters what's called starvation mode in an effort to horde all the calories it can. As a result, your metabolism screeches to a halt, and your weight loss efforts are fucked.Quote:
I'm cutting my caloric intake to about 1200 daily
Try varying your calories each day...some days eat more, some days less. Honestly, I pay no attention to calories. I just try to avoid sugar (except before and after I train) and keep my carbs moderate (but NOT low). Also, keep your protein on the higher side. Helps prevent muscle breakdown while you're losing fat (muscle burns calories, and if you lose muscle...) and keep you feeling full longer.
HITT is good for building endurance and losing fat.Quote:
At the gym I'll continue my regular lifting workout, but I'm going to do it better. Better form and technique and such. I'll also be doing the HIIT thing.
Don't fucking worry about bullshit supplements. For the most part, they're a complete waste of time and money. No one ever got huge and ripped because of the supplements they took (unless those supplements were introduced into the body via a needle). Your best results come from busting your ass and eating right. However, a good Whey protein sure can't hurt.Quote:
As far as supplements go, I have no goddamn idea.
Also, whatever program you follow, just make sure it's something you feel you can keep up with for the rest of your life, otherwise you'll gain it right back. It's better to take your time losing the fat than making a mad dash to drop it all.
Anyway, good luck. Any questions, ask.
...what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
Deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
A friend of mine went on this shit for a week or two, and he had trouble sleeping and paying attention at work. He said he felt like he was on cocaine. Awesome.Quote:
don't even mess with Hydroxycut.
I'm at the gym for no longer than an hour tops, except if I run afterwards. I overhear guys at the gyms saying they've been there for two or three hours. I wonder what they're doing all that time. buttsexQuote:
Consistency and discipline is the key to training. 5-6 days a week is not necessary but may work for you depending on how your body reacts, otherwise you will be overtraining. I go to the gym 5 days a week but spend no more than 40 minutes there, so don't fall into the trap of thinking you have to spend 1-2 hours there.
Yeah, I had this going in the early part of 2007. Then I started dating this chick and my gym time became sporadic. Kind of a waste if you ask me now.Quote:
Once you see your body change to your delight, you will become addicted. Until you get to that point, it will be a challenge, but you sound like you're up to it, so get it done.
Oh yeah. Wink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
One question: do you want the mustache on or off?
abs, sorry, I was trying to talk to three people at once when I posted that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolemite
My bad dole.
I'd try pilates in a second. I have no time though. I am thinking about trying to shoehorn some yoga in just to see what that's all about.
If you don't know what the heck you are talking about in this thread then I suggest you stfu because it is apparent who knows and who don't knows.