I still think that some genres, or even just games within genres, benefit from movement being constrained to a 2D plane. No lock on feature you could ever dream up will replace that feel. No jumping will ever be that precise and no camera will ever be that agreeable. As for 2.5D and it's interpretation of what I described above, why bother making it look like something it isn't (hurting the overall look in the process I might add).
None of those games made a smooth transition. Changing genres hardly qualifies as a smooth transition, whether or nor you're pleased with the results. 3D games are just intrinsically and naturally different than their 2D brethren. In that sense, there's no point in pretending that there could ever be a straight sequel to a title on the other side of the chasm which seperates the two generations of video games.
There would be nothing wrong with an adventure or a beat em up using the DoA3 engine. But Ninja Gaiden is neither. At least it didn't use to be...Quote:
Originally posted by EThugg
Why would a adventure or beat em up using the DoA3 engine be bad?????
The arcade game is okay in my book, even if there are some things it could've done better (such as a greater variety of weapons). A beatemup with the DoA 3 engine could turn out to be good. Judgement reserved.
I don't have a problem with 3D, I just think that what made Ninja Gaiden great could not be translated into 3D. Thats probably why they made it a beat em up, which happens to be my least favorite genre.
I think people are also forgetting that, compared to tecmo of 15 years ago, Tecmo totally sucks now. They are a joke. They had, by far, the saddest booth at E3. Itagaki or whatever his name is wants to be Yu Suzuki so badly, but instead he's just an arrogant ass that makes average games.
THATS why I have no faith in this game. Wake me up when Contra comes out.
:mad: That wasn't there before!Quote:
Originally posted by Johnpv
read my first post
Oh, yes it was. :sweat: I'm illiterate.
no probQuote:
Originally posted by The Ampersand
:mad: That wasn't there before!
Oh, yes it was. :sweat: I'm illiterate.
Normally I don't respond to posts of people pining for "the good ol days", but this is ridiculous. Yes, I too would like to see some "old fashioned" 2D goodness in the vein of SoTN, but I like my 3D just fine thank you.
The silly part about the claim that 2D games have/had more replay value the 3D games is the fact that people forget the "why" of that claim. Simply put, we played those games till we were blue in the face because we didn't have any choice. Our parents bought the games not us so could only play one game for months at a time.
Most 2D games were pure shit on a shingle with a few diamonds in the rough. Quit living in the past already!:mad:
I normally don't respond to posts of people claiming that 3D is just as good as 2D and everyone should stop whining about the total lack of 2D games outside of handhelds, but this is ridiculous. Ya see, it's not that I hate 3D games. I don't. There's plenty of 3D games I absolutely love. But I also dig 2D games, which, in case you've been living in a cave for the past 8 years or so, have virtually dissapeared from the home console scene. It sucks, not because 2D is inherently superior to 3D, but because 3D is not inherently superior to 2D. I, and many other posters here, want BOTH, not one or the other.Quote:
Originally posted by Master of 7s
Normally I don't respond to posts of people pining for "the good ol days", but this is ridiculous. Yes, I too would like to see some "old fashioned" 2D goodness in the vein of SoTN, but I like my 3D just fine thank you.
Most 3D games are complete garbage, too. In fact, most games in general are shit.Quote:
Most 2D games were pure shit on a shingle with a few diamonds in the rough. Quit living in the past already!:mad:
Keeeeeeripes! I hear this argument all the time from the "pro 3D" side and it's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard. 2D games are as different from 3D games as racers are to RPGs. It's like if racers fell off the face of the earth, compleatly replaced by nothing but RPGs to the point where if a company made a NASCAR game, the driving was taken out and replaced with a deep story about Richard Petty and leveling up. And then people went around saying "what do you want a racer for? I'd like an 'old fashoned' racer too, but that's the past. I like my RPGs just fine now". Yes, the RPGs are fun, and I like the RPGs and I play the RPGs and I buy the RPGs, but they don't even come close to scratching my racer itch!Quote:
Originally posted by Master of 7s
Normally I don't respond to posts of people pining for "the good ol days", but this is ridiculous. Yes, I too would like to see some "old fashioned" 2D goodness in the vein of SoTN, but I like my 3D just fine thank you.
Well, damn it, that's exactly what it feels like when a game that should be 2D by nature pops up in a 3D incarnation that fails entirely to capture the flavor fans of the original were looking for.
*sigh* I guess I'll get back to playing "Richard Petty Driving Fantasy Saga IV" now....